Re: Make define-builtin-markup{,-list}-command #:category #:properties keywords (issue160048)

2009-11-26 Thread nicolas . sceaux
Hi, Maybe this patch, as a first step, should focus on the unification of the syntax of the two macros? (define-markup-command (command-name layout props . arguments) arguments-signature #:properties property-bindings #:allow-other-keys #:rest body) on the user side and:

Re: What's the deal with the module system?

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com writes: 2009/11/24 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: After applying URL:http://codereview.appspot.com/160048 first, indeed the following diff that throws out all the toplevel scoping constructs and separate definitions of define-markup-command and

Re: Difficulties with `make check'

2009-11-26 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com wrote: Well then, I think we should open a new issue.  :-) There you go : code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=908 (http:// is so passé...) Cheers, Valentin ___

Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Marc Hohl
Hello all, I followed the (partly very emotional) discussions about (un)documentated code with great interest, and aside from the fact that I neither have the technical arguments nor the knowledge, I mostly agree with David Kastrup. As a frog, I feel supported very well from Carl et al., but

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Marc Hohl
Sorry, some Germanism found its way into the mail, sed s/documentated/documented/g ;-) Marc Marc Hohl schrieb: Hello all, I followed the (partly very emotional) discussions about (un)documentated code with great interest, and aside from the fact that I neither have the technical

Implementing Baroque Lute tablature

2009-11-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
I am considering trying to implement a first attempt at providing a Baroque lute tab facility. This may turn out to be a bite too large for me, but hey, that's the way to learn. The first phase would be to implement a minimal set of facilities which would output something like Baroque tab in

Re: What's the deal with the module system?

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com writes: 2009/11/24 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: After applying URL:http://codereview.appspot.com/160048 first, indeed the following diff that throws out all the toplevel scoping constructs and separate definitions of

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/26/09 2:56 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Hello all, I followed the (partly very emotional) discussions about (un)documentated code with great interest, and aside from the fact that I neither have the technical arguments nor the knowledge, I mostly agree with David Kastrup.

Re: Make define-builtin-markup{,-list}-command #:category #:properties keywords (issue160048)

2009-11-26 Thread dak
On 2009/11/26 09:13:58, nicolas.sceaux wrote: Hi, Maybe this patch, as a first step, should focus on the unification of the syntax of the two macros? Hi Nicolas, patch set 3 already makes make-builtin-markup-command upwards-compatible with make-markup-command in its current form. I have

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: 2) I think that it always takes developers less time to answer questions than to write the patch that you will produce. I definitely disagree with always. I am an old-school Unix wizard myself, and there are situations when I am administering, say, an

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Thursday, November 26, 2009 4:31 PM On 11/26/09 2:56 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Well documented code is crucial in such a project for other developers to jump on the train, so learning by RTF code isn't fun (as mentioned elsewhere) - for me, it's annoying,

Re: Numbered musical notation (Jianpu)

2009-11-26 Thread Silas S . Brown
Continuing the thread from June http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00167.html : The reason why my code behaved badly is that the comment in the TeX % so -E'd eps is at least that high has a space before the % sign. That space causes extra space to be put into the jianpu

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: More comments would be an improvement, but I think too many will destroy the flow of the code when it is being read by more experienced developers. I would recommend a brief overview at the top which sets out the purpose, structure and method of

Re: Fixing spelling errors in documentation

2009-11-26 Thread Leonardo Herrera
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: John, It's been brought to my attention that we are using an incorrect spelling for ukulele.  We've been using (at least in part of our documentation) ukelele. I've done a git grep for ukelele, and found the

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:56:05AM +0100, Marc Hohl wrote: Well documented code is crucial in such a project for other developers to jump on the train, so learning by RTF code isn't fun (as mentioned elsewhere) - for me, it's annoying, it's frustrating, and it keeps me persistently feeling

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: Then, I miss some general information of the future goals. Ok, the bugs should be eliminated, but rumor says that there are efforts to move functionality from c++ to scheme. Is this true? As far as I know, the goal to

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: And I would ask new contributors to see the whole story from the point of view of somebody who spent years and year programming lilypond, explaining concepts to potential contributors only to have them disappear without writing any code or doc

Re: Difficulties with `make check'

2009-11-26 Thread Michael Welsh Duggan
Valentin Villenave v.villen...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com wrote: Well then, I think we should open a new issue.  :-) There you go : code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=908 (http:// is so passé...) On the other hand, the

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12:26PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: We are not talking about explaining concepts to potential contributors in private. We are talking about explanations happening on the developer list. Those can be skimmed off into documentation, without requiring all too much

Re: translations

2009-11-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le mercredi 25 novembre 2009 à 22:07 +, Graham Percival a écrit : On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 09:33:50PM +0100, John Mandereau wrote: Jan already translate a few sentences in several nodes in French and Dutch, and while splitted HTML translated docs used to be written as index_xx.html it

Re: translations

2009-11-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:21:35AM +0100, John Mandereau wrote: Ooops, no, I still get index_xx.html filenames for splitted translated manuals. In the process on solving this, I'm currently trying to make extract_texi_filenames work (making systematic trailing spaces removal), Make sure that

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12:26PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: We are not talking about explaining concepts to potential contributors in private. We are talking about explanations happening on the developer list. Those can be skimmed off into

Re: translations

2009-11-26 Thread John Mandereau
Le jeudi 26 novembre 2009 à 23:40 +, Graham Percival a écrit : Make sure that the texi2html is being called with the right arguments. I think the relevant command is in make/doc-i8n-*. Sure, but after my hacking texi2html currently dies at manuals in English. I'm about to remove the code

Re: translations

2009-11-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 01:06:15AM +0100, John Mandereau wrote: Le jeudi 26 novembre 2009 à 23:40 +, Graham Percival a écrit : Make sure that the texi2html is being called with the right arguments. I think the relevant command is in make/doc-i8n-*. Sure, but after my hacking texi2html

Re: translations

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 01:06:15AM +0100, John Mandereau wrote: Le jeudi 26 novembre 2009 à 23:40 +, Graham Percival a écrit : Dunno. Believe me, I never put anything in the translations. According to git history, you did :-) I