Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Renaming proposals, round 4: CURRENT NAME PROPOSED NAME - next-staff staff-staff default-next-staff default-staff-staff inter-staffnonstaff-relatedstaff inter-loose-line nonstaff-nonstaff non-affinity nonstaff-unrelatedstaff

Re: Add tab-tie-follow-engraver (issue2723043)

2010-11-07 Thread Carl . D . Sorensen
This patch has revised the callbacks in scm/tablature.scm. It appears to work properly. The tab-tie-follow-engraver is still using SCM calls to analyze the grobs. I will get that worked out soon, I hope (although I seem to have gone backward, not forward, today). In this patch, the glissando,

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Keith E OHara wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 2:54 AM On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 18:20:08 -0700, lilypond-devel-requ...@gnu.org wrote: [...] And lastly, I still think reference/opposite is better than related/unrelated: nonstaff-referencestaff nonstaff-oppositestaff But I won't protest. Any last

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:46 AM Carl Sorensen wrote: 9) initial-separation * longer but describes the meaning more accurately now we have an item-item-spacing format I vote for 8 or 9. 9. Does this entail changing 'minimum-distance to 'minimum-separation?

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Keith E OHara
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:08:06 -0700, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Keith E OHara wrote: I had imagined you would simultaneously change staff-affinity (UP / DOWN / CENTER) toreference-direction (UP / DOWN / CENTER) so we can remember that this direction tells us which

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Mark Polesky
Trevor Daniels wrote: relatedstaff/unrelatedstaff Okay, I think enough votes are in to finalize the most recent proposal: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00137.html So relatedstaff/unrelatedstaff it will be. I'll have more time to start making this change later

Re: non-technical help for spacing issues

2010-11-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Keith E OHara wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 1:19 AM On Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:24:33 -0700, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 00:47:01 -0700, Graham wrote: This is directed at people saying I can't do anything to help... I need a committing, not

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Mark Polesky
After polling some of you individually, the clear winner is to change the 'space key to 'basic-distance. Joe, can you take it from here? Thanks all. - Mark ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: Add tab-tie-follow-engraver (issue2723043)

2010-11-07 Thread marc
Hello Carl, I didn't test the patch, but the general logic behind it seems to be the right way to do. Regards, Marc http://codereview.appspot.com/2723043/diff/57001/scm/define-grob-properties.scm File scm/define-grob-properties.scm (right):

Re: Add tab-tie-follow-engraver (issue2723043)

2010-11-07 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 07.11.2010 08:47, schrieb carl.d.soren...@gmail.com: This patch has revised the callbacks in scm/tablature.scm. It appears to work properly. The tab-tie-follow-engraver is still using SCM calls to analyze the grobs. I will get that worked out soon, I hope (although I seem to have gone

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark, since you were the only one to vote for this openly and Carl, Alexander and I didn't (well, Carl did initially, then changed his mind) perhaps you need to be a little more open about the voting process or you'll have Valentin after you :) Since you chose to have an open vote it should

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Mark, since you were the only one to vote for this openly and Carl, Alexander and I didn't (well, Carl did initially, then changed his mind) perhaps you need to be a little more open about the voting process or

[Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performer group

2010-11-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
Greetings everybody, here's a patch that (hopefully) addresses the low-priority issue 1365. I'm not sure if we've ever used convert-ly to insert comments in .ly files, but I do think we should in this specific case: the piano-centered dynamics template has been used by a *lot* of people in the

Re: (font-related) \caps \fontCaps and \smallCaps

2010-11-07 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 6 November 2010 17:49, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: The whole issue is VERY problematic. Today, many fonts already contain glyphs for small caps, however, lilypond isn't able to access them! Reason is that lilypond currently misses an interface to OpenType layout tables. [...]

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Valentin Villenave wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:35 AM Greetings everybody, here's a patch that (hopefully) addresses the low-priority issue 1365. I'm not sure if we've ever used convert-ly to insert comments in .ly files, but I do think we should in this specific case: the

Re: follow-up to report 22

2010-11-07 Thread David Kastrup
Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net writes: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com wrote: If the archives were public, it might deter people from speaking frankly. I understand; however having public archives is also something important for the project's

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:26:59PM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: Valentin Villenave wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:35 AM I'm not sure if we've ever used convert-ly to insert comments in .ly files, but I do think we should in this specific case: the piano-centered dynamics template has

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:50:20PM +, Graham Percival wrote: The normal method would be for convert-ly to print a warning message to the console. Why is this Dynamics thing so different from previous changes? Another option is to argue that in-file comments are much more noticeable than

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 6:50 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:26:59PM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: Valentin Villenave wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:35 AM I'm not sure if we've ever used convert-ly to insert comments in .ly files, but I do think we

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 7:07 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:50:20PM +, Graham Percival wrote: The normal method would be for convert-ly to print a warning message to the console. Why is this Dynamics thing so different from previous changes? Another

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Mark Polesky
Trevor Daniels wrote: Mark, since you were the only one to vote for this openly and Carl, Alexander and I didn't (well, Carl did initially, then changed his mind) perhaps you need to be a little more open about the voting process or you'll have Valentin after you :) Since you chose to have

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: If we could collect all the NOT_SMART output and put it as comments at the top of the file, I'd be OK with that.  But I don't like having them scattered throughout the file. Interesting. That's what Frescobaldi already

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: But you're right; I was wrong to resort to backroom politics. Backroom politics? And here I was, thinking private discussions were a normal and legitimate part of a project's life... :) Here's your list with my humble

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: All right, hopefully everyone here won't mind one last vote, so please state your preference among the following:        SPACE          MINIMUM-DISTANCE   --  -- 1)   basic-distance    

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander: Carl: David: 1 Joe: Mark: 1 Trevor: Valentin: 2 -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com writes: Mark Polesky wrote: Okay, I think enough votes are in to finalize the most recent proposal: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00137.html I almost forgot... Can we have one last vote among these two choices? 1)

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 4:40 PM Mark Polesky wrote: Okay, I think enough votes are in to finalize the most recent proposal: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00137.html I almost forgot... Can we have one last vote among these two choices? 1)

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 3:30 PM All right, hopefully everyone here won't mind one last vote, so please state your preference among the following: SPACE MINIMUM-DISTANCE -- -- 1) basic-distanceminimum-distance 2)

Re: Renaming the 'space alist-key

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 1:03 PM, Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: All right, hopefully everyone here won't mind one last vote, so please state your preference among the following:        SPACE          MINIMUM-DISTANCE  

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:50 PM On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:26:59PM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: Valentin Villenave wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:35 AM I'm not sure if we've ever used convert-ly to insert comments in .ly files, but I do think we should in this

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 1:07 PM On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 12:50:20PM +, Graham Percival wrote: The normal method would be for convert-ly to print a warning message to the console. Why is this Dynamics thing so different from previous changes? Another option is to

Re: Doc: NR 4.1: Reorganize, clarify details. (issue2758042)

2010-11-07 Thread k-ohara5a5a
Mark, I wanted to flag a bit of cleanup, and this reasonably-related patch still shows as 'open'. http://codereview.appspot.com/2758042/diff/1/Documentation/notation/spacing.itely File Documentation/notation/spacing.itely (right):

Re: non-technical help for spacing issues

2010-11-07 Thread Keith E OHara
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:58:58 -0700, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Keith E OHara wrote Sunday, November 07, 2010 1:19 AM 2a) Lyrics get less space in the new system, but all the choral-music folk seem to want is a but a touch more padding from Lyrics to any non-associated grobs

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Keith E OHara
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 07:57:33 -0800, Mark Polesky wrote: Can we have one last vote among these two choices? 1) within-group-staff-staff-spacing 2) withingroup-staff-staff-spacing Keith: either Both are usable. We will use this in context that makes that first qualifier almost redundant :

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
1) within-group-staff-staff-spacing 2) withingroup-staff-staff-spacing Werner: 2 I think option 2 is more consistent, but I don't really care. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Mark Polesky
Oops, forgot to actually *add* Joe to this! * * * * * * * * * * * * Mark Polesky wrote: Okay, I think enough votes are in to finalize the most recent proposal: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00137.html I almost forgot... Can we have one last vote among these two

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 9:52 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Mark Polesky wrote: Okay, I think enough votes are in to finalize the most recent proposal: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00137.html I almost forgot... Can we have one last vote among these two

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl: David: James: Jan: Jean-Charles: Keith: Mark: 1 Trevor: Valentin: 1 Werner: 2 This is fun, kinda :-) Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Valentin: 1* *was 2, then changed it to 1?  Which one is it? Er, is it the same vote we're talking about? I voted 2 in the other thread about the 'space alist: 2) initial-distanceminimum-distance But I thought here

Re: Tied harmonics in tablature - tracker issue

2010-11-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: I came up with the idea to parenthesize the Harmonic brackets instead of the TabNoteHead and thus provide the possibility to left-parenthesize or right-parenthesize an item, but your approach sounds more consistent. [...] But I

Re: Byzantine chant and microtones

2010-11-07 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Erich Enke erich.e...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, I hope you found that brief survey to be interesting, at least, and I look forward to what advice you might have to offer. Thanks for this detailed description, it looks quite interesting! Although I don't have any

Re: Byzantine chant and microtones

2010-11-07 Thread Hans Aberg
On 6 Nov 2010, at 03:33, Erich Enke wrote: I just happened across a Sept 2010 post on lilypond-devel regarding microtones. It reminded me how I've been wanting to work on Byzantine notation support for lilypond. I would love to have a tool that could actually transcribe between western and

Re: [Patch] Fix #1365: convert-ly shouldn't remove Dynamics performergroup

2010-11-07 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Sonntag, 7. November 2010, um 20:46:54 schrieb Trevor Daniels: I think this would be an improvement, but I don't think it's essential. The file will be left in an erroneous state so the user will be forced into further investigation anyway, and the usual LilyPond error messages will

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Mark Polesky
You guys are going to *hate* me for doing this, but I just thought of a way to keep the StaffGrouper grobs consistent with each other. Instead of these two: withingroup-staff-staff-spacing staffgroup-staff-spacing we could have these: within-group-staff-staff-spacing

Re: renaming vertical spacing inside systems props

2010-11-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/7/10 7:24 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: You guys are going to *hate* me for doing this, but I just thought of a way to keep the StaffGrouper grobs consistent with each other. Instead of these two: withingroup-staff-staff-spacing staffgroup-staff-spacing Keep