Re: Comparing program function usage over program runs

2012-09-11 Thread David Kastrup
m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: Hey all, To further debug 2801, I am looking for a way to not have to run the regtests every time to make the bug appear. Do you mean have to run the regtests or do you mean have people run the regtests? The time for make test-clean make

Re: Minor release checklist

2012-09-11 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com; Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Minor release checklist Yes. Did you get your

Re: Minor release checklist

2012-09-11 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com; Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:05 AM Subject: Re: Minor release checklist On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at

Re: Minor release checklist

2012-09-11 Thread James
Graham/Phil, On 11 September 2012 09:51, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com; Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Monday, September

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 01/09/12 17:25, Graham Percival wrote: Continuing to brainstorm on the problem of it not being obvious to which note a particular \command refers to, what if we used: \postfix: c2 d\p is unchanged /prefix: for music

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 01/09/12 17:25, Graham Percival

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: I've always thought that the post-event nature of lilypond is its own worst enemy. My particular pet peeve is that it means you can't terminate a piano pedal P with an asterisk * on the last note of a piece, since the \sustainOn occupies the post-event

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 11 September 2012 14:04, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Ok, and now for something completely different. I think there has been one proposal to bring \[ \] in line with the post-event nature of [ ] and ( ), but the one thing I have been thinking about recently is whether we should not

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread David Kastrup
Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com writes: On 11 September 2012 14:04, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Ok, and now for something completely different. I think there has been one proposal to bring \[ \] in line with the post-event nature of [ ] and ( ), but the one thing I have been

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: I've always thought that the post-event nature of

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: I've always

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:04 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 01/09/12 17:25, Graham Percival wrote: Continuing to brainstorm on the problem of it not being obvious to which note a particular \command refers to, what if we

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: But things like ( ) \( \) [ ] \p \ \! \ all happen at a moment in time in a voice. Why is a tempo change a separate event, but a dynamic change isn't? Specifically, I think it is because the tempo logically is an interpretation property, and may

grob-object information

2012-09-11 Thread Marc Hohl
Hello list, for my work on the volta bracket inclusion for the new bar line interface, I need to know how the bars are ordered in (ly:grob-object grob 'bars). Please see the attached file. For the \musOne, I get a grob array with eight BarLine grobs (two for each staff) for the first volta

Re: Minor release checklist

2012-09-11 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 12:01:28PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: Hmm. Still getting the same problem. The following directories are missing: gub/uploads/localdoc/V2.17.2 gub/uploads/webdoc/V2.17.2 gub/uploads/webtest/V2.17.2 gub/uploads/webtest/V2.17.2/compare-etc This prevents the

What do \[ and \] do?

2012-09-11 Thread Ian Hulin
Hi folks, I just noticed mention of these in the GLISS pre/post/neutral command thread. What do these commands do? If there's discussion about converting them to modern syntax, presumably they'll need documenting etc. and we'll need to describe them in terms thickos like me can understand on

Re: What do \[ and \] do?

2012-09-11 Thread Marek Klein
Hello, 2012/9/11 Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk Hi folks, I just noticed mention of these in the GLISS pre/post/neutral command thread. What do these commands do? http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/ancient-notation_002d_002dcommon-features#ligatures HTH Marek Klein

Re: What do \[ and \] do?

2012-09-11 Thread James
Hey Thicko! ;) On 11 September 2012 17:15, Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk wrote: Hi folks, I just noticed mention of these in the GLISS pre/post/neutral command thread. What do these commands do? If there's discussion about converting them to modern syntax, presumably they'll need

Re: Minor release checklist

2012-09-11 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com; Devel lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Minor release checklist On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at

Re: grob-object information

2012-09-11 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 11 sept. 2012, at 17:48, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Hello list, for my work on the volta bracket inclusion for the new bar line interface, I need to know how the bars are ordered in (ly:grob-object grob 'bars). Please see the attached file. For the \musOne, I get a grob array

Re: grob-object information

2012-09-11 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 11.09.2012 20:48, schrieb m...@mikesolomon.org: On 11 sept. 2012, at 17:48, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Hello list, for my work on the volta bracket inclusion for the new bar line interface, I need to know how the bars are ordered in (ly:grob-object grob 'bars). Please see the

Re: grob-object information

2012-09-11 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 11.09.2012 21:08, schrieb m...@mikesolomon.org: On 11 sept. 2012, at 22:02, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Am 11.09.2012 20:48, schrieb m...@mikesolomon.org: On 11 sept. 2012, at 17:48, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Hello list, for my work on the volta bracket inclusion for the new

Re: grob-object information

2012-09-11 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 11 sept. 2012, at 22:29, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Are you certain that every vertical axis group will always contain the same number of bar lines? If not, it's possible that the matrix you're talking about may not have complete rows, in which case it's difficult to know how

Re: grob-object information

2012-09-11 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 11.09.2012 21:54, schrieb m...@mikesolomon.org: On 11 sept. 2012, at 22:29, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Are you certain that every vertical axis group will always contain the same number of bar lines? If not, it's possible that the matrix you're talking about may not have complete

Re: Approximates cross-staff slurs in VerticalAxisGroup vertical-skylines. (issue 6498077)

2012-09-11 Thread dak
http://codereview.appspot.com/6498077/diff/6033/lily/phrasing-slur-engraver.cc File lily/phrasing-slur-engraver.cc (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/6498077/diff/6033/lily/phrasing-slur-engraver.cc#newcode116 lily/phrasing-slur-engraver.cc:116: Grob *stub = make_spanner (SlurStub,

Re: simplify previous patch-set by special casing 2-line staves (issue 6506090)

2012-09-11 Thread Benkő Pál
This works, although in surprising ways. It was a challenge for me to figure out why the tests in 'repeat-sign.ly' come out as they do. I was very surprised by the lines marked dots in outer spaces and dots outside and assume we would prefer more centered placement. that's sort of all

Some files missing copyright/license headers; would be useful to add as they are seen

2012-09-11 Thread Don Armstrong
Short story: some files in the lilypond source are missing copyright/licensing headers, but for the most part this doesn't seem like a big deal. As they get edited or otherwise patched, it would be helpful to add them. Longer story: During my preparations for uploading 2.16.0 to Debian

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 11/09/12 13:04, David Kastrup wrote: Basically every construct that we would be tempted to use or s1*0 for occasionally is one that is not really attached to a note, but rather to a moment in time. You can put it in parallel music without changing results. Most articulations with a

Re: [GLISS] differentiating pre/post/neutral commands

2012-09-11 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 11/09/12 14:15, David Kastrup wrote: No. Just those commands that are not intrinsically attached to a note within a voice, like dynamics and phrasings. Basically those things that you'd occasionally attach to or s1*0 for lack of something more suitable. In the case of dynamics, you

PATCH: Countdown to 20120913

2012-09-11 Thread Colin Campbell
For 20:00 MDT Thursday Sept 13 (really!) Documentation: Issue 2817 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2817: list Elysium on Easier Editing webpage - R 6488101 http://codereview.appspot.com/6488101/ Enhancement: Issue 2811

Doc: Add Elysium to Easier Editing (issue 6488101)

2012-09-11 Thread graham
Hmm. IMO, Elysium should be listed under the text editors section, while the top recommended section should not be alphabetized. However, I'm open to a re-think of the page, wherein we drop the recommended-ness, and/or group programs differently, and/or whatever else might be good to change. I