Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread mtsolo
https://codereview.appspot.com/8613043/diff/19001/Documentation/changes.tely File Documentation/changes.tely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/8613043/diff/19001/Documentation/changes.tely#newcode153 Documentation/changes.tely:153: @item I would add a note that, if there is too-snug

Re: Point and Click does not work on Windows

2013-04-16 Thread ArnoldTheresius
Gilles THIBAULT wrote one way to make point and click work on windows xp follows [...] ... Eluze Hello, in relation to issue 3306 [http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3306] I analized the point-and-click problem on my Win7/64 computer. (Why does it not work out of the box

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread dak
On 2013/04/16 06:05:42, MikeSol wrote: https://codereview.appspot.com/8613043/diff/19001/Documentation/changes.tely File Documentation/changes.tely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/8613043/diff/19001/Documentation/changes.tely#newcode153 Documentation/changes.tely:153: @item I would

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread tdanielsmusic
On 2013/04/16 07:20:59, dak wrote: On 2013/04/16 06:05:42, MikeSol wrote: I would add a note that, if there is too-snug spacing for an object, setting its vertical skylines to #'() will generally restore old behavior. I am not really enthused about telling people that, since too snug is a

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread dak
On 2013/04/16 07:40:19, Trevor Daniels wrote: On 2013/04/16 07:20:59, dak wrote: On 2013/04/16 06:05:42, MikeSol wrote: I would add a note that, if there is too-snug spacing for an object, setting its vertical skylines to #'() will generally restore old behavior. I am not really enthused

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread tdanielsmusic
On 2013/04/16 07:51:46, dak wrote: So for a stable release, we need conservative settings. Settings that won't _force_ people to pepper their sources with overrides and tweaks just to throw them all out again when the next version arrives. So for this particular case we'd need to add predefs

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread mtsolo
On 2013/04/16 07:51:46, dak wrote: On 2013/04/16 07:40:19, Trevor Daniels wrote: On 2013/04/16 07:20:59, dak wrote: On 2013/04/16 06:05:42, MikeSol wrote: I would add a note that, if there is too-snug spacing for an object, setting its vertical skylines to #'() will generally restore

Re: Semantics of X-offset Y-offset

2013-04-16 Thread Richard Shann
On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 23:06 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/4/15 Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net: On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 17:25 +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: Looks like using \layout { \context { \Score \printRefpoint ##f #'all-grobs } } inserts

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread dak
On 2013/04/16 08:34:43, MikeSol wrote: On 2013/04/16 07:51:46, dak wrote: I hate it when I get last-minute realizations. Here is another thing we need to do for the stable release: go through all problems of the too snug kind and work out defaults that avoid them. It's ok to tell people

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 16 avr. 2013, at 12:59, d...@gnu.org wrote: On 2013/04/16 08:34:43, MikeSol wrote: On 2013/04/16 07:51:46, dak wrote: I hate it when I get last-minute realizations. Here is another thing we need to do for the stable release: go through all problems of the too snug kind and work out

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread Werner LEMBERG
So we need feedback from the heavy hitters, and we have annoyingly few of them I know about. Kieren is one. I don't know how many tweaks there are in Valentin's opera, but that might be another opportunity. For my pieces, I always try to avoid overrides and tweaks as much as possible. In

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/16 d...@gnu.org: I hate it when I get last-minute realizations. Here is another thing we need to do for the stable release: go through all problems of the too snug kind and work out defaults that avoid them. This might be impossible. For example to avoid this problem { d''4-.\downbow

Re: Add the command \offset to LilyPond (issue 8647044)

2013-04-16 Thread david . nalesnik
I've considerably shortened the regtests, removing redundancies and unnecessary line breaks. Thanks for the comments! https://codereview.appspot.com/8647044/diff/1/input/regression/offsets.ly File input/regression/offsets.ly (right):

Re: Add the command \offset to LilyPond (issue 8647044)

2013-04-16 Thread david . nalesnik
On 2013/04/13 21:39:40, janek wrote: There's one thing that puzzles me. Current syntax is \offset property offset-value grob-name I understand that grob-name is at the end because it's optional, and we want to omit it when we're using \offset as a tweak. However, i find this syntax

Re: Add the command \offset to LilyPond (issue 8647044)

2013-04-16 Thread dak
On 2013/04/16 12:50:47, david.nalesnik wrote: On 2013/04/13 21:39:40, janek wrote: There's one thing that puzzles me. Current syntax is \offset property offset-value grob-name I understand that grob-name is at the end because it's optional, and we want to omit it when we're using

Re: Add the command \offset to LilyPond (issue 8647044)

2013-04-16 Thread janek . lilypond
On 2013/04/16 13:03:25, dak wrote: On 2013/04/16 12:50:47, david.nalesnik wrote: Here I kept the same pattern as \alterBroken and \shape, as they have been revised by David Kastrup. I agree that the syntax is a little awkward, and that it would be nice if the pattern you give were workable.

Re: Add the command \offset to LilyPond (issue 8647044)

2013-04-16 Thread dak
and there's too many or-nothings there (i suppose that the biggest problem is an optional argument followed by non-optional one (value)). However, in case of \offset, we can have either a \shape-like syntax \offset property value grobname-or-music or \offset grobwithproperty-or-property

Re: Add the command \offset to LilyPond (issue 8647044)

2013-04-16 Thread dak
On 2013/04/16 14:33:50, janek wrote: 2013/4/16 d...@gnu.org: nothing-or-music in the last position only works if nothing is _explicitly_ specified with \default There is no way that the last argument of a music function can be nothing silently. pity. would it possible (and

Re: Add the command \offset to LilyPond (issue 8647044)

2013-04-16 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/4/16 d...@gnu.org: and there's too many or-nothings there (i suppose that the biggest problem is an optional argument followed by non-optional one (value)). However, in case of \offset, we can have either a \shape-like syntax \offset property value grobname-or-music or \offset

RE: Wanting to be involved in lilypond project again

2013-04-16 Thread Fan Ziye
Hi, I switched to lily-dev which was referred in CG at last and built lilypond and documentation successfully. And thank you for your instruction, I have been reading some countdown patches. I saw the three issues and I'm trying to solve the first one. As for git, yes, I used git in my graduate

RE: Wanting to be involved in lilypond project again

2013-04-16 Thread Fan Ziye
Thanks very much, I switched to lily-dev now and everything goes well. The problem with my ghostscript appeared randomly, I will report it in bug-lilypond. From: James [mailto:pkx1...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:25 PM To: Janek Warchoł Cc: Fan Ziye; LilyPond Developmet Team

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread k-ohara5a5a
https://codereview.appspot.com/8613043/diff/19001/Documentation/changes.tely File Documentation/changes.tely (right): https://codereview.appspot.com/8613043/diff/19001/Documentation/changes.tely#newcode160 Documentation/changes.tely:160: #(ly:set-option 'debug-skylines #t) \override

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread dak
On 2013/04/16 11:11:03, janek wrote: 2013/4/16 d...@gnu.org: I hate it when I get last-minute realizations. Here is another thing we need to do for the stable release: go through all problems of the too snug kind and work out defaults that avoid them. This might be impossible. For

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 16 avr. 2013, at 22:12, d...@gnu.org wrote: On 2013/04/16 11:11:03, janek wrote: 2013/4/16 d...@gnu.org: I hate it when I get last-minute realizations. Here is another thing we need to do for the stable release: go through all problems of the too snug kind and work out defaults

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread Keith OHara
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:15:23 -0700, m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: On 16 avr. 2013, at 22:12, d...@gnu.org wrote: Wrong placement? Seriously? Can you give any articulation where you'd get bad behavior for considering just its bounding box? f4--. In the bad old days,

Re: Add changes entry for Mike's work on skylines. (issue 8613043)

2013-04-16 Thread Keith OHara
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 04:10:32 -0700, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/4/16 d...@gnu.org: I hate it when I get last-minute realizations. Here is another thing we need to do for the stable release: go through all problems of the too snug kind and work out defaults that avoid