Re: A proposal of organize music paragraph layout by a new DSL

2020-11-15 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi K.L., > Without layout structures, we can store music staff in a more regular way, > like this: How does that work with polymetric music? Thanks, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his) ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email:

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Mark Knoop
At 15:45 on 15 Nov 2020, Jonas Hahnfeld wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 15.11.2020, 15:13 + schrieb Mark Knoop: >> At 15:08 on 15 Nov 2020, Jonas Hahnfeld wrote: >>> Am Sonntag, den 15.11.2020, 10:04 -0500 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi all, This discussion/development/enhancement —

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, > Looks like my recollection was wrong here: In most *classical* scores. > The medleys of film music that I played in (hobby) orchestras mostly > use rehearsal marks and / or bar numbers *below* bar lines. Yes. >> Measure-centred bar numbers are fairly standard in film scores. > > Do

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld
Am Sonntag, den 15.11.2020, 15:13 + schrieb Mark Knoop: > At 15:08 on 15 Nov 2020, Jonas Hahnfeld wrote: > > Am Sonntag, den 15.11.2020, 10:04 -0500 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > This discussion/development/enhancement — which is happening just > > > after a thread on

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld
Am Sonntag, den 15.11.2020, 10:14 -0500 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > Hi Jonas, > > > I think that's a totally different topic and not actually related to > > positioning the usual bar numbers that are above the bar line in all > > scores that I ever played from. > > Why? We’re talking about

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Mark Knoop
At 15:01 on 15 Nov 2020, Joram Noeck wrote: > Hi, > > I like the change in the bar number alignment. I have some comments to > your proposal. (The current solution has similar issues, so most of > these are not speaking against proposed changes.) > > The -> denotes the solution for which that is

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Joram Noeck
> Those are included in the examples purely for the sake of completeness. > Gould has nothing to say about such bar numbers and I would surprised if > any scores included them. But is it possible that they have a different alignment with the current code? In case a user turns them on, they would

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jonas, > I think that's a totally different topic and not actually related to > positioning the usual bar numbers that are above the bar line in all > scores that I ever played from. Why? We’re talking about selecting the position of usual bar numbers, right? I think the user should be able

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> This discussion/development/enhancement — which is happening just > after a thread on the FB group about centred measure numbers — has > made me wonder if it’s possible to roll measure-centred measure > numbers into the actual BarNumber code [instead of forcing people to > (ab)use

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Mark Knoop
At 15:08 on 15 Nov 2020, Jonas Hahnfeld wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 15.11.2020, 10:04 -0500 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: >> Hi all, >> >> This discussion/development/enhancement — which is happening just >> after a thread on the FB group about centred measure numbers — has >> made me wonder if it’s

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld
Am Sonntag, den 15.11.2020, 10:04 -0500 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > Hi all, > > This discussion/development/enhancement — which is happening just > after a thread on the FB group about centred measure numbers — has > made me wonder if it’s possible to roll measure-centred measure > numbers into

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, This discussion/development/enhancement — which is happening just after a thread on the FB group about centred measure numbers — has made me wonder if it’s possible to roll measure-centred measure numbers into the actual BarNumber code [instead of forcing people to (ab)use

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Joram Noeck
> I would very much like that LilyPond has the ability of automatically > adjusting the horizontal position of some grobs, in particular dynamic > signs, bar numbers, and rehearsal marks. The idea is that a large > delta from the optimum vertical position would make LilyPond retry to >

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Joram Noeck
Hi, I like the change in the bar number alignment. I have some comments to your proposal. (The current solution has similar issues, so most of these are not speaking against proposed changes.) The -> denotes the solution for which that is an argument. 1. putting the bar number over the measure

Re: A proposal of organize music paragraph layout by a new DSL

2020-11-15 Thread Dan Eble
On Nov 15, 2020, at 05:20, K.L. wrote: > > We can define a new DSL to express all kinds of repeat types, including > volta, volta-alternative and *D.C. al Fine* and so on. For some examples: . . . > > Via this, exact MIDI performing for D.C. & D.S. can also be done. I doubt that it is

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld
Am Sonntag, den 15.11.2020, 14:27 + schrieb Kevin Barry: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 01:37:34PM +, Graham King wrote: > > I think Gould's positioning looks _slightly_ better, except at > > line-beginnings where I definitely prefer lilypond's. Moreover, the > > position immediately after a

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I appreciate that you have given a nuanced response. Practically > speaking, the vast majority of scores only have bar numbers at the > beginning of a line, so I will simplistically categorise your response > as in favour of keeping LilyPond's current behaviour. I would very much like that

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Kevin Barry
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 01:37:34PM +, Graham King wrote: > I think Gould's positioning looks _slightly_ better, except at > line-beginnings where I definitely prefer lilypond's. Moreover, the > position immediately after a bar line is heavily-contested > real-estate, as your examples make

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Kevin Barry
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 07:07:03AM -0600, David Nalesnik wrote: > Another vote for Gould. (Though does she have anything to say about > the normally unshown measure numbers which are stranded beyond the > line here?) Those are included in the examples purely for the sake of completeness. Gould

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Graham King
I think Gould's positioning looks _slightly_ better, except at line-beginnings where I definitely prefer lilypond's. Moreover, the position immediately after a bar line is heavily-contested real-estate, as your examples make clear. Therefore it would be good to retain the option to preserve

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread David Nalesnik
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 6:11 AM Michael Käppler wrote: > > Am 15.11.2020 um 12:36 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: > >> I will be the first responder and say that, of the options in the > >> pdf, I think Gould is the most appropriate. > > Yep. > +1 > > > > > > Werner > > > > Another vote for Gould.

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Michael Käppler
Am 15.11.2020 um 12:36 schrieb Werner LEMBERG: I will be the first responder and say that, of the options in the pdf, I think Gould is the most appropriate. Yep. +1 Werner

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> I will be the first responder and say that, of the options in the > pdf, I think Gould is the most appropriate. Yep. Werner

Re: RFC: rethink horizontal alignment of mid-staff bar numbers

2020-11-15 Thread Kevin Barry
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 11:02:52AM +, Kevin Barry wrote: > - if you have a preference for one of the four, please indicate which I will be the first responder and say that, of the options in the pdf, I think Gould is the most appropriate. Kevin

Re: A proposal of organize music paragraph layout by a new DSL

2020-11-15 Thread K.L.
The blog link is missed, appended here: https://findlab.github.io/2020/11/15/music-layout-language/ On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 6:20 PM K.L. wrote: > Hi all. > > For a multiple voices music score, all voices share the same repeat > positions. Such as: > > << >> { >> \repeat volta 2 { g1 g g g

A proposal of organize music paragraph layout by a new DSL

2020-11-15 Thread K.L.
Hi all. For a multiple voices music score, all voices share the same repeat positions. Such as: << > { > \repeat volta 2 { g1 g g g } > \repeat volta 2 { g g g g } > } > { > \repeat volta 2 { c1 c c c } > \repeat volta 2 { c c c c } > } > >> The repeat layout