>> We could then get rid of Ghostscript completely.
Mhmm, please ignore this sentence, it doesn't make sense.
> So, to be clear, in your opinion, solving this is a requirement
> before we drop the old PS backend?
Well, 'dropping the old PS backend' is something we should do very
carefully. Hop
Here is the current countdown report.
The next countdown will begin on January 6th.
A list of all merge requests can be found here:
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests?sort=label_priority
Push:
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Le 02/01/2023 à 15:38, hassan.elfat...@free.fr a écrit :
Hello
7/2 tone exists on the other hand I made a mistake: 7/2 tone is not equivalent
to 1 tone + 3/4 tone
but is equivalent to 3 tones + 1/2 tone.
Since 7/2 tone is rarely used, this part can be deleted.
(cshb . ,(ly:ma
Le 04/01/2023 à 23:41, David Kastrup a écrit :
Again, the size of a manual that will get copied repeatedly and
indefinitely and the size of a document that is transferred once to a
printer are different things, and the quoted reply of a Ghostscript
developer suggests that they are not willing or
Le 04/01/2023 à 14:39, Jonas Hahnfeld via Discussions on LilyPond
development a écrit :
Another advantage would be that each document is self-
contained, ie no more recompilation of all documentation for changes
that do not affect cross-references at all.
That would be a HUGE improvement!
O
Il giorno mer 4 gen 2023 alle 23:36:39 +0100, Jonas Hahnfeld
ha scritto:
On Wed, 2023-01-04 at 22:58 +0100, Federico Bruni wrote:
Il giorno mer 4 gen 2023 alle 14:39:47 +0100, Jonas Hahnfeld
ha scritto:
> The other two formats we care about for the translated
documentation
> are PDF a
On Wed, 2023-01-04 at 22:58 +0100, Federico Bruni wrote:
> Il giorno mer 4 gen 2023 alle 14:39:47 +0100, Jonas Hahnfeld
> ha scritto:
> > The other two formats we care about for the translated documentation
> > are PDF and HTML. Of the two, HTML is arguably the more complex one in
> > terms of in
Jean Abou Samra writes:
> Le 04/01/2023 à 22:42, David Kastrup a écrit :
>> There is a difference between a score that is downloaded and copied and
>> transferred thousands of times indefinitely, and a finalized print
>> journal that is sent from a publisher to a printer once.
>
>
>
> I think the
Il giorno mer 4 gen 2023 alle 14:39:47 +0100, Jonas Hahnfeld
ha scritto:
The other two formats we care about for the translated documentation
are PDF and HTML. Of the two, HTML is arguably the more complex one in
terms of infrastructure for cross-references: For PDF, we just link to
the (transla
Le 04/01/2023 à 22:49, Werner LEMBERG a écrit :
Well, in this case it's the Cairo people we would have to convince.
We could then get rid of Ghostscript completely.
So, to be clear, in your opinion, solving this is a requirement
before we drop the old PS backend? Waiting for a potentially
com
> And again, it's not like the NR PDF was unusable when it was
> ~35 MB in LilyPond 2.18.
>
> What alternative would you propose?
In the next days I will investigate how to get small PDFs with the new
PDF engine of Ghostscript, reporting problems to the maintainers.
Let's see what this will bri
>> Honestly, a fourfold size increase is not something that I would
>> call 'acceptable'.
>
> Upstream might need some convincing.
>
> Ghostscript's Ken Sharp in 2017:
>
> "When we have customers wanting to send us 125GB files I have to say
> that a concern over file sizes in the few megabytes s
Le 04/01/2023 à 22:42, David Kastrup a écrit :
There is a difference between a score that is downloaded and copied and
transferred thousands of times indefinitely, and a finalized print
journal that is sent from a publisher to a printer once.
I think there is a misunderstanding. We are talkin
Jean Abou Samra writes:
> Le 04/01/2023 à 22:22, Werner LEMBERG a écrit :
>> Honestly, a fourfold size increase is not something that I would call
>> 'acceptable'.
>
>
>
> It's a question of absolute values, not relative ones. A fourfold
> increase from an acceptable value to an acceptable value
Le 04/01/2023 à 22:22, Werner LEMBERG a écrit :
Honestly, a fourfold size increase is not something that I would call
'acceptable'.
It's a question of absolute values, not relative ones. A fourfold
increase from an acceptable value to an acceptable value is
acceptable.
Due to browser caching
On 1/4/2023 3:22 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
Honestly, a fourfold size increase is not something that I would call
'acceptable'.
Upstream might need some convincing.
Ghostscript's Ken Sharp in 2017:
"When we have customers wanting to send us 125GB files I have to say
that a concern over file s
>> The idea is that you compile all snippets with references to fonts
>> only but not with actual fonts. This allows Ghostscript to analyze
>> and squeeze the fonts of all included PDFs globally; as an example,
>> the NR then has only a few dozen (subsetted) fonts instead of about
>> 4500.
>
>
> Should slurs require Stem_engraver?
>
> No: https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/3760#note_339794300
> Yes:
> https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1800#note_1227831830
>
> I'm looking for some input from old-timers to help decide this so I
> can avoid wasting more ti
Should slurs require Stem_engraver?
No: https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/3760#note_339794300
Yes: https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1800#note_1227831830
I'm looking for some input from old-timers to help decide this so I can avoid
wasting more time on broken or
Tangential to the ongoing Cairo discussions: does anybody
mind adding a ~Cairo label for Cairo-related issues?
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Le 04/01/2023 à 16:13, Werner LEMBERG a écrit :
The idea is that you compile all snippets with references to fonts
only but not with actual fonts. This allows Ghostscript to analyze
and squeeze the fonts of all included PDFs globally; as an example,
the NR then has only a few dozen (subsetted) f
> With extractpdfmark
> ===
>
> PS backend:
>
> 4,8M Documentation/out-www/en/notation.pdf
FYI: Using a recent GS version with its new PDF backend, the size gets
larger than 20MByte. I guess this is a bug, and I will soon report
this to the GS people so that it gets fixed in
On Wed, 2023-01-04 at 14:39 +0100, Jonas Hahnfeld via Discussions on
LilyPond development wrote:
> What do people think, especially translators? Would this "annoyance" be
> acceptable if it provides a significant simplification of our
> infrastructure? Another advantage would be that each document
> * outdated: cs (last update by Pavel in 2012; some passages copied
> from German manual!), nl (last update by Jan in 2012)
>
> Especially the last category is bad and I would like to propose that
> we delete these translations; I think it is better to have the
> community use the English vers
On Wed, 2023-01-04 at 15:00 +0100, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> I was initially scared by Poppler's dependencies, but now that I look at
> its CMakeLists.txt file, it seems that most of them are optional, which
> makes it more palatable. I'm still not sure what you lose if you don't
> compile with G
Le 04/01/2023 à 14:32, Jonas Hahnfeld a écrit :
Right: as far as I understand, these are also crucial for our own
documentation build to end up with reasonably sized PDFs. Did you check
what the situation is if we used snippets compiled with Cairo?
Without extractpdfmark
==
Le 04/01/2023 à 14:29, Jonas Hahnfeld a écrit :
On Wed, 2023-01-04 at 13:39 +0100, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Le 04/01/2023 à 12:52, Han-Wen Nienhuys a écrit :
PNG images will always be clunky for embedding line art, so it can't
be the recommended solution. What makes most sense for users? Other
il
Hi all,
before making large changes to our documentation build (see other
email), I'd like to start a discussion on inactive / unmaintained
translations. For an objective metric, I looked at the date of the last
translation update, ie commits that only touched the respective
subdirectory in Docume
During the last months, I've played a bit with Texinfo and would like
to discuss some ideas / simplifications for our translated
documentation. The base assumption is that translated .info files are
not important, ie we only build and install the English versions. If
that's not the case, please let
On Wed, 2023-01-04 at 14:00 +0100, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> Le 29/12/2022 à 01:53, Jean Abou Samra a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have just opened issues for the missing features of
> > the Cairo backend that I am aware of.
> >
> > https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6500
> > https://gitla
On Wed, 2023-01-04 at 13:39 +0100, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> Le 04/01/2023 à 12:52, Han-Wen Nienhuys a écrit :
> > PNG images will always be clunky for embedding line art, so it can't
> > be the recommended solution. What makes most sense for users? Other
> > illustration programs also can't process
Le 29/12/2022 à 01:53, Jean Abou Samra a écrit :
Hi,
I have just opened issues for the missing features of
the Cairo backend that I am aware of.
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6500
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6501
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/65
Le 04/01/2023 à 12:52, Han-Wen Nienhuys a écrit :
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 1:53 AM Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Hi,
I have just opened issues for the missing features of
the Cairo backend that I am aware of.
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6500
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 1:53 AM Jean Abou Samra wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have just opened issues for the missing features of
> the Cairo backend that I am aware of.
>
> https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6500
> https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6501
> https://gitlab.com/lilypond
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