CG improvements-collector position (was: [frogs] Frog's Lament)

2009-12-02 Thread Chris Snyder
Graham Percival wrote: Despite my agreements to both paragraphs above, I agree more with the first than the second. Namely, I don't see the point of keeping a list of stuff to add to the docs; that's a recipe for not getting anything done. I think that can depend on a particular person's work

Re: CG improvements-collector position (was: [frogs] Frog's Lament)

2009-12-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:25:00AM -0500, Chris Snyder wrote: Graham Percival wrote: Despite my agreements to both paragraphs above, I agree more with the first than the second. Namely, I don't see the point of keeping a list of stuff to add to the docs; that's a recipe for not getting

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-12-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:25:46AM -0500, Chris Snyder wrote: Graham Percival wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12:26PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: We are not talking about explaining concepts to potential contributors in private. We are talking about explanations happening on the developer

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-30 Thread Chris Snyder
Graham Percival wrote: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12:26PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: We are not talking about explaining concepts to potential contributors in private. We are talking about explanations happening on the developer list. Those can be skimmed off into documentation, without

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-30 Thread Chris Snyder
Valentin Villenave wrote: May I suggest using the existing tracker on bugs.lilynet.net? That would be excellent. Thanks. -Chris ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-28 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/11/27 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: I have what amounts to severe attention disorder syndrome.  I can't focus on easy tasks.  I can only work effectively on hard or impossible things, mostly until 95% are done.  When learning or practicing an instrument, the successful way for me was to

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-28 Thread David Kastrup
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes: 2009/11/27 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: I have what amounts to severe attention disorder syndrome.  I can't focus on easy tasks.  I can only work effectively on hard or impossible things, mostly until 95% are done.  When learning or practicing an

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-27 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: I have a different viewpoint. I am mystified by the desire of some people to mess with the most complicated parts of the program, without having the knowledge to pull that. It's possible to do that, but it requires a lot of skill in absording a lot

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-27 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Remember Rune. I feel deeply shocked by your last sentence. Regards, V. Villenave. ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Valentin, On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Remember Rune. I feel deeply shocked by your last sentence. Given his prior behavior on the list(s) — how rude and completely lacking in social filters he clearly is — I had honestly thought that nothing

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Marc Hohl
Sorry, some Germanism found its way into the mail, sed s/documentated/documented/g ;-) Marc Marc Hohl schrieb: Hello all, I followed the (partly very emotional) discussions about (un)documentated code with great interest, and aside from the fact that I neither have the technical

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 11/26/09 2:56 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Hello all, I followed the (partly very emotional) discussions about (un)documentated code with great interest, and aside from the fact that I neither have the technical arguments nor the knowledge, I mostly agree with David Kastrup.

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: 2) I think that it always takes developers less time to answer questions than to write the patch that you will produce. I definitely disagree with always. I am an old-school Unix wizard myself, and there are situations when I am administering, say, an

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Carl Sorensen wrote Thursday, November 26, 2009 4:31 PM On 11/26/09 2:56 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Well documented code is crucial in such a project for other developers to jump on the train, so learning by RTF code isn't fun (as mentioned elsewhere) - for me, it's annoying,

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: More comments would be an improvement, but I think too many will destroy the flow of the code when it is being read by more experienced developers. I would recommend a brief overview at the top which sets out the purpose, structure and method of

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:56:05AM +0100, Marc Hohl wrote: Well documented code is crucial in such a project for other developers to jump on the train, so learning by RTF code isn't fun (as mentioned elsewhere) - for me, it's annoying, it's frustrating, and it keeps me persistently feeling

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: Then, I miss some general information of the future goals. Ok, the bugs should be eliminated, but rumor says that there are efforts to move functionality from c++ to scheme. Is this true? As far as I know, the goal to

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: And I would ask new contributors to see the whole story from the point of view of somebody who spent years and year programming lilypond, explaining concepts to potential contributors only to have them disappear without writing any code or doc

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12:26PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: We are not talking about explaining concepts to potential contributors in private. We are talking about explanations happening on the developer list. Those can be skimmed off into documentation, without requiring all too much

Re: [frogs] Frog's Lament

2009-11-26 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:12:26PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: We are not talking about explaining concepts to potential contributors in private. We are talking about explanations happening on the developer list. Those can be skimmed off into