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2011-07-30 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:36:38PM +0100, Neil Puttock wrote: On 29 July 2011 17:20, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Could somebody get rid of these already?  They're left-over from Valentin's note name changes from Dec 2010 or so; They come from parsing

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Donnerstag 28 Juli 2011, 08:25:25 schrieb Jan Nieuwenhuizen: Graham Percival writes: You mean, like 23cdda9506931d5b9a1e75ee8be8b74f9084a7c0 ? Yes (I would have called the option --log). I'd call it 20% rather than 90%, but yes, Phil's work on lilypond-book will

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Francisco Vila
2011/7/29 Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com: The other thing is that all commands called by make are echoed on the console, always including several lines of include pathes.  While this might sound useful, in fact it isn't because the exact command does not help you. make seems to set

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?) Am Donnerstag 28 Juli 2011, 08:25:25 schrieb Jan Nieuwenhuizen: Graham Percival writes: You

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com To: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 11:45 AM Subject: Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?) 2011/7/29 Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2011, 12:55:09 schrieb Phil Holmes: - Original Message - Currently, the doc build is calling lilypond in verbose mode, creating thousands of unnecessary lines like Reinhold - I've been looking at the build system in some depth and am very well aware of this.

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 4:46 PM Subject: Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?) Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2011, 12:55:09 schrieb Phil Holmes

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:30:24PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: [/home/reinhold/lilypond/out/share/lilypond/current/ly/string-tunings- init.ly Using `nederlands' note names... [string] ... [string] Could somebody get rid of these already? They're left-over from Valentin's note name

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2011, 18:05:40 schrieben Sie: - Original Message - From: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com However, I have failed and still fail to see where the lilypond internals printed with --verbose can be helpful in any way during the docs build. Those verbose

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Werner LEMBERG
However, I have failed and still fail to see where the lilypond internals printed with --verbose can be helpful in any way during the docs build. Those verbose debug messages are useful for debugging a lilypond bug. Yep. However, in the docs build, we are not interested in how lilypond

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2011, 18:56:36 schrieben Sie: However, in the docs build, we are not interested in how lilypond works internally, but rather where a doc build fails due to bad input in a .ly or .tely file. I suggest a different route: Normally, after an error message has been

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com To: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?) Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2011, 18:56:36 schrieben Sie: However

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 06:38:53PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com Yes, that would be *extremely* helpful (not only for the lilypond documentation, but also to other lilypond-book users). The only question is: who will

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Neil Puttock
On 29 July 2011 17:20, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Could somebody get rid of these already?  They're left-over from Valentin's note name changes from Dec 2010 or so; They come from parsing string-tunings-init.ly. they were debugging messages which were supposed to be

Fwd: Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Sorry, this reply went only to Graham by accident. Here it is for lilypond- devel: -- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -- Betreff: Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?) Datum: Freitag, 29. Juli 2011, 23:07:11 Von: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@kainhofer.com An: Graham

Re: Fwd: Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-29 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Samstag, 30. Juli 2011, 00:42:58 schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer: Am Freitag, 29. Juli 2011, 18:20:25 schrieben Sie: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:30:24PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: [/home/reinhold/lilypond/out/share/lilypond/current/ly/string-tunings - init.ly Using

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-28 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Graham Percival writes: You mean, like 23cdda9506931d5b9a1e75ee8be8b74f9084a7c0 ? Yes (I would have called the option --log). I'd call it 20% rather than 90%, but yes, Phil's work on lilypond-book will certainly be valuable! Assuming that --redirect-lilypond-output is used during build

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-28 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Graham Percival writes: You mean, like 23cdda9506931d5b9a1e75ee8be8b74f9084a7c0 ? Yes (I would have called the option --log). I'd call it 20% rather than 90%, but yes, Phil's work on lilypond-book will certainly be valuable! Assuming that --redirect-lilypond-output is used during build

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 08:25:25AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Graham Percival writes: You mean, like 23cdda9506931d5b9a1e75ee8be8b74f9084a7c0 ? Yes (I would have called the option --log). IMO a long descriptive name is better than a short name that's open to interpretation.

GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-27 Thread Graham Percival
I still don't feel that we have any kind of consensus on this. Here's an updated proposal. http://lilypond.org/~graham/gop/gop_5.html ** Proposal summary When you run make or make doc, * All output will be saved to various log files, with the exception of output directly from

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-27 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Graham Percival writes: I still don't feel that we have any kind of consensus on this. Here's an updated proposal. Ah, great. So what if we add a --log option to lilypond-book (and probably to lilypond), that [always in verbose mode?] writes individual .log files alongside the output. Would

Re: GOP-PROP 5: build system output (probable 2?)

2011-07-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 07:33:04AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Graham Percival writes: I still don't feel that we have any kind of consensus on this. Here's an updated proposal. So what if we add a --log option to lilypond-book (and probably to lilypond), that [always in verbose