Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-20 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hello, Status update: I have extended my trip to California (I'm visiting my employer's client) until June 6th, and I'm very busy with my day job. I should be able to resume work on LilyDev by June 13th - I hope that delay is not a problem. Anyway, I think that the proof of concept that I've

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hello, I have an alpha version of LilyDev built with Vagrant and Ansible ready for demonstration. To try it, you need VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/) and Vagrant ( https://www.vagrantup.com/) installed, and the LilyDev Vagrant box (which you can download here:

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
PS don't install Vagrant with apt-get, the version in official repositories is *ancient* and probably won't work - install using files from the website. 2015-05-12 21:38 GMT-07:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: Hello, I have an alpha version of LilyDev built with Vagrant and Ansible

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-10 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-05 3:10 GMT+02:00 Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com: Automatic formatting/indenting of C++ files currently doesn't work out of the box” and there’s no easy way to manually get it to work. Artistic Style 2.02 is required for LilyPond’s fixcc.py but LilyDev3 has 2.01, which is the

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-10 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-04 20:41 GMT+02:00 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: On 5/4/15 11:19 AM, Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com wrote: So I'd rather put a script to download the repository when the user logs in for the first time. What do you think? Isn't that the way it works right now? If not, it

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-07 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-06 22:47 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: I'll wait for your prototype, even if it looks like a work duplication already. Why not improving what's already available? Which advantages have the tools you are using? I _am_ going to improve what's already

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-07 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/7/15 3:49 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: Basically, what I'm saying is don't assume everyone is using Debian and/or lilydev when you revamp the CG, because that's where that quote makes it look you're heading. Thanks for the reminder. I hope we won't head that way. I agree

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-07 Thread Wols Lists
On 04/05/15 23:35, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 5/4/15 4:25 PM, Dan Eble d...@faithful.be wrote: But anyways, the main point of this email is to point out that pushing debian could cost you developers - I don't know how many people like me there are out there, but if I have to use a debian-based

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread Urs Liska
Am 06.05.2015 um 07:34 schrieb Federico Bruni: 2015-05-06 7:19 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build different versions of LilyDev (e.g. 32-bit and

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread David Kastrup
Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com writes: 2015-05-04 20:29 GMT+02:00 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net: Years ago I started by (accidentally) using it as a live OS. It's a useless way of trying to use it. I wouldn't bother to try to support it. I totally agree. In my experience a live OS

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread James
On 06/05/15 10:55, Urs Liska wrote: Am 06.05.2015 um 07:34 schrieb Federico Bruni: 2015-05-06 7:19 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-06 11:55 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: As a side note: What would be the amount of work to provide a lily-dev metapackage that could be used by people who are already using a Linux distribution? As a Linux user I would prefer modifying my own system over using a

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2015-05-05 22:34 GMT-07:00 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com: 2015-05-06 7:19 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build different versions of

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-05 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi all, as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build different versions of LilyDev (e.g. 32-bit and 64-bit, possibly also based on different distros). In order to reduce work duplication, I suggest to wait

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-05 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-04 20:29 GMT+02:00 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net: Years ago I started by (accidentally) using it as a live OS. It's a useless way of trying to use it. I wouldn't bother to try to support it. I totally agree. In my experience a live OS makes sense only when you must fix something

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-05 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-06 7:19 GMT+02:00 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: as I've already mentioned, I've already started working on a new LilyDev. I'm going to use tools that should make it easy to build different versions of LilyDev (e.g. 32-bit and 64-bit, possibly also based on different

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Federico Bruni
Hi Paul, thanks for the suggestions. As Debian Jessie was released few days ago, I was thinking about a new LilyDev. I think I'll first upgrade to a more recent version of live-build and then add the modifications you are suggesting. 2015-05-04 0:09 GMT+02:00 Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com:

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Federico Bruni
2015-05-04 18:32 GMT+02:00 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com: As Debian Jessie was released few days ago, I was thinking about a new LilyDev. I think I'll first upgrade to a more recent version of live-build and then add the modifications you are suggesting. I have a question: does anybody

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com To: Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com Cc: LilyPond Development Team lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev 2015-05-04 18:32 GMT+02:00 Federico Bruni

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/4/15 11:19 AM, Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com wrote: So I'd rather put a script to download the repository when the user logs in for the first time. What do you think? Isn't that the way it works right now? If not, it certainly should. There should be a script that configures git

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Morris
On May 3, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: CG 3.3.4 Making Patches git format-patch origin doesn't work if you type it in literally, but gives ambiguous argument 'origin' message. Shouldn't happen unless you managed to create either a local branch named origin or a

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Morris
Hi Federico, On May 4, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, thanks for the suggestions. As Debian Jessie was released few days ago, I was thinking about a new LilyDev. Hey, that’s great timing! I think I'll first upgrade to a more recent version of

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Morris
On May 3, 2015, at 11:02 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: I think that it would be great to have you prepare patches for the CG. The CG is the least-reviewed manual in our set, so it's probably the easiest manual for which to get patches approved. Will do, once this discussion

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread David Kastrup
Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk writes: On 04/05/15 04:02, Carl Sorensen wrote: 2. Compiling with LilyDev (2.3) and Compiling (4.x) 2.3 is about getting it set up with LilyDev. 4.x is about general work whether with or without LilyDev. We are much stronger about recommending the use of

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/4/15 4:25 PM, Dan Eble d...@faithful.be wrote: But anyways, the main point of this email is to point out that pushing debian could cost you developers - I don't know how many people like me there are out there, but if I have to use a debian-based system my reaction is likely to be thanks

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Dan Eble
But anyways, the main point of this email is to point out that pushing debian could cost you developers - I don't know how many people like me there are out there, but if I have to use a debian-based system my reaction is likely to be thanks but no thanks. (That said, I think a The data point

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Wols Lists
On 04/05/15 04:02, Carl Sorensen wrote: 2. Compiling with LilyDev (2.3) and Compiling (4.x) 2.3 is about getting it set up with LilyDev. 4.x is about general work whether with or without LilyDev. We are much stronger about recommending the use of LilyDev than we were when the CG was

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread James Lowe
On 04/05/15 22:39, Wols Lists wrote: On 04/05/15 04:02, Carl Sorensen wrote: 2. Compiling with LilyDev (2.3) and Compiling (4.x) 2.3 is about getting it set up with LilyDev. 4.x is about general work whether with or without LilyDev. We are much stronger about recommending the use of LilyDev

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Morris
On May 4, 2015, at 9:10 PM, Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com wrote: They both have highlighting for c++, .css, and .py files, gedit also has it for .scm, .itexi, .itely, and .make files, but geany doesn’t have it for these. (And neither has it for .ly files.) This was from the default

Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread Paul Morris
Hello dev list, Below are some notes I made as I worked with the contributor’s guide and LilyDev in recent months. This started with minor things and grew from there. They represent my view as a novice who is basically learning git and the command line as I go. I found the learning curve

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread David Kastrup
Two notes: Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com writes: CG 3.3.4 Making Patches git format-patch origin doesn't work if you type it in literally, but gives ambiguous argument 'origin' message. Shouldn't happen unless you managed to create either a local branch named origin or a file with that

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 04.05.2015 um 00:15 schrieb David Kastrup: CG 3.3.4 git-cl configuration add how to set the EDITOR variable for git cl, namely: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano Nano does not offer point-and-click in connection with LilyPond I think. I don't think so either. But I don't see why that should

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 03:02:32AM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: A. Suggestions for LilyDev3: All of these suggestions would actually probably be for LilyDev4. I'm not sure that we will make another release of LilyDev3. But if we did, I'm still happy to host it. If somebody is available and

Re: Improving the Contributors Guide and LilyDev

2015-05-03 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/3/15 4:09 PM, Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com wrote: I think that it would be great to have you prepare patches for the CG. The CG is the least-reviewed manual in our set, so it's probably the easiest manual for which to get patches approved. A. Suggestions for LilyDev3: All of these