Re: critical issues

2013-03-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? If not, it will hold 2.18 up

Re: critical issues

2013-03-27 Thread David Kastrup
m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org writes: There are two critical issues that we're going to have to start seriously thinking about now if 2.18 is going to happen anytime soon: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2733 I'm not comfortable marking this critical: not

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? If not, it will hold 2.18 up for a long time, in which it may be worth pushing the translate_axis

Re: critical issues

2013-03-26 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 27 mars 2013, at 07:54, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2656 This is really bad. I agree that it is critical. I unfortunately have no way to test this, but do people have an ETA for fixing this? If not, it will hold 2.18 up for

Re: critical issues

2012-01-11 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
Thanks for all answers. On 8 January 2012 23:47, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: W dniu 8 stycznia 2012 10:11 użytkownik James pkx1...@gmail.com napisał: Start by looking here:

Re: critical issues

2012-01-09 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: According to our motto the aim of LilyPond is music engraving to everyone - i'd say it's a very good goal. It would mean that a person with average computer skills (like navigating a web browser and using word processor) should be able to create

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread James
Hello, 2012/1/8 Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com: What's the aim of Lilypond? err.. LilyPond is a music engraving program, devoted to producing the highest-quality sheet music possible. It brings the aesthetics of traditionally engraved music to computer printouts. And why isn't it

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 8, 2012, at 2:54 AM, Graham Percival wrote: On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: Are there some guidelines how to write new code to work in the same manner as the already written code? We have a contributor's guide. It is not complete, but that's

Re: critical issues

2012-01-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
W dniu 8 stycznia 2012 02:54 użytkownik Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca napisał: On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: * Let's assume that I would like to help in developing Lilypond, but I don't have my own idea, what part of it I could

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 01:52:41AM +0100, Łukasz Czerwiński wrote: As for all the emails that were written it the last two days, I believe that a sort of coordination is needed in each project. We have the amount of coordination that we have chosen. * Let's assume that I would like

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/5 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: \layout {   \layout-from { \compressFullBarRests     \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'common-shortest-duration =    

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: What i want to say is, i'm afraid you might have forgotten how it feels to be a non-programmer. It's not a joke that for average person that wants to produce some notation, it's hard enough to use text input. In the light of the focus of the

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
David, 2012/1/7 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: I really don't quite get the point of complaining that I provide alternative ways of accessing functionality.  Nobody forces you to make use of them. 2012/1/7 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: In the light of the focus of the work I have been doing for

Re: critical issues

2012-01-07 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
First of all I would like to apologize for misjudging Lilypond project. As for all the emails that were written it the last two days, I believe that a sort of coordination is needed in each project. Maybe for some of them there must be one boss with many programmers and designers, while for other

Re: critical issues

2012-01-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/5 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: \layout {   \layout-from { \compressFullBarRests     \override Score.SpacingSpanner #'common-shortest-duration =     #(ly:make-moment 6 10)   }   etc... } ok...  

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction in which we are going. I'm sure that other people have their pet projects as well. The ensemble of these

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:14 AM, David Kastrup wrote: m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction in which we are going. I'm sure that other people

Re: critical issues

2012-01-05 Thread David Kastrup
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:14 AM, David Kastrup wrote: m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:  \layout {    \context {      \Score      \with \settingsFrom { \compressFullBarRests }    }    \context {      \Staff      \with \settingsFrom { \accidentalStyle modern }    }  } } \end{lilypond} \ph is a music function written in

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Łukasz Czerwiński
On 3 January 2012 21:47, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: I am a TeX specialist, system programmer, Emacs specialist, the GNU maintainer (and a rather pitiful one) for AUCTeX (lytex and itexi anybody? preview-latex for Lilypond?) Mmm... Preview for Lilypond? Sounds like a

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com writes: On 3 January 2012 21:47, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: I am a TeX specialist, system programmer, Emacs specialist, the GNU maintainer (and a rather pitiful one) for AUCTeX (lytex and itexi anybody? preview-latex for

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:  \layout {    \context {      \Score      \with \settingsFrom { \compressFullBarRests }    }    \context {      \Staff      \with \settingsFrom { \accidentalStyle modern }    }  } } \end{lilypond}

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/4 James pkx1...@gmail.com: hello, On 3 Jan 2012, at 22:26, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: I might have given you a wrong impression, i don't think its really that bad.  There is some teamwork, but no leader indeed. to use an English expression ... poppycock! Janek

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: \settingsFrom is actually returning a Scheme expression for \with to use. It makes things rather simpler than more complex, even though it constitutes a Scheme expression. Um... i would really love to be able to type \layout {

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
Adding Luke to recipients again... (please remember to include him as he's not signed to our mailing lists), 2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com writes: Regarding all those fragments of Janek's and David's emails: For some time I have been observing how

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/4 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: \settingsFrom is actually returning a Scheme expression for \with to use. It makes things rather simpler than more complex, even though it constitutes a Scheme expression. Um... i would really love to be

Re: critical issues

2012-01-04 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Correct me if i'm wrong, but my impression is that there is no particular direction in which we are going. I think that it is very difficult to set these goals because different things interest different people. I know that Bertrand and I

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:55 AM Subject: Re: critical issues Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org There is a _reason_ the remaining OSX and Windows based developers are doing (definitely important) documentation and web site work. They are to a large degree locked out and dependent on

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: critical issues Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org There is a _reason_

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: critical issues Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net No. I have an Ubuntu VM which I use for quick experiments and a very fast Ubuntu PC which I use for full builds. But I support lilypond because I _use_ it for typesetting music on a _Windows_

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Werner LEMBERG
If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class too little, too late. I second David. Given that we develop within a GNU environment, bugs specific to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Jan 3, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class too little, too late. I second David. Given that we

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class too little, too late. I second David.  

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class too little, too late. I second David. Given that we develop within a

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread James
Hello, On 3 January 2012 12:53, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: One in-the-middle approach is to check out package managers that are offering LilyPond releases. I know, for example, that brew offers a version of LilyPond on Mac OS X. If we provide a list of package managers and how-tos for the

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will benefit users of many operating systems is likely to fall in the class

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: Hello, On 3 January 2012 12:53, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: If we refuse thinking about stable releases by taking GUB as an excuse, the grand next stable release that will

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: It so happens that none of these Critical issues are really fixable by reverting a single commit. [...] ok, thanks for this explanation! Is finding them an easy (no knowledge needed, a complete set of dumbed-down instructions can be given)

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: The Learning Guide and the Notation Guide need a complete rereading and reorganization, and it is not like the Extending Guide is in significantly better shape. I'd like to fix them too, but i don't have

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: The Learning Guide and the Notation Guide need a complete rereading and reorganization, and it is not like the Extending Guide is in significantly better shape. I'd like

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:57:24PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: My question to David, because I am not getting where the 'ire' is coming from, why do you care if we release dev after dev release vs stable? Yeah, especially since Carl was *already* making

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread James
Hello, On 3 January 2012 20:49, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:57:24PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: My question to David, because I am not getting where the 'ire' is coming from, why do you care if we release dev

Re: critical issues -- hope you're having fun

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:57:24PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: My question to David, because I am not getting where the 'ire' is coming from, why do you care if we release dev after dev release vs stable?

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:  LilyPond needs to get into a state where, say, half the engravers are written and maintained in Scheme.  And by Scheme I don't mean Scheme at the level Nicolas can barely handle but Scheme a Fortran

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:  LilyPond needs to get into a state where, say, half the engravers are written and maintained in Scheme.  And by Scheme I don't mean Scheme at the level Nicolas can barely

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Luke, nice to see you joining the discussion :) W dniu 3 stycznia 2012 23:06 użytkownik Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com napisał: That's like + from me! In general, i agree that we should think in a more 'release-oriented' way (last stable release was half a year ago, so we

Re: critical issues

2012-01-03 Thread James
hello, On 3 Jan 2012, at 22:26, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Luke, nice to see you joining the discussion :) W dniu 3 stycznia 2012 23:06 użytkownik Łukasz Czerwiński milimet...@gmail.com napisał: That's like + from me! In general, i agree that we should think

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:59:47PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: I see the following critical issues: -snip- There is, actually, a wagonload of other changes underfoot that does not appear quite compatible with releasing a version called stable to me. It seems strange to me that the _above_

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 09:59:47PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: I see the following critical issues: -snip- There is, actually, a wagonload of other changes underfoot that does not appear quite compatible with releasing a version called

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on lilypond-devel. A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst those emails, but we simply cannot afford to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/2 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on lilypond-devel.  A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: This was the result of between 25 to 40 emails in August 2011 on lilypond-devel. A quick scan didn't reveal your name amongst

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. That sort of token solidarity is actually counterproductive: if you believe that non-releases lead to non-users,

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/1/3 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: I am afraid that we are painting ourselves into a corner.  And I don't think that we are doing ourselves a favor by defining stable as a random moment when somebody managed to get GUB to run for Windows and OSX.  We should define stable based on the

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
(sorry for double-post) 2012/1/2 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:23:28PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: If you are aware of any other issues which fall under the definition (i.e. a reproducible failure to

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 06:24:19AM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: By the way, do we have a policy about regressions? Yes, they're bad? :) I remember that reverting bad commits was discussed in the past, and i'm quite for this solution. I don't see information about which commits caused our

Re: critical issues

2012-01-02 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:03:08AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: We could certainly consider dropping support for OSX or windows. That sort of token solidarity is actually counterproductive:

Re: critical issues

2011-01-23 Thread Boris Shingarov
On 11-01-01 03:24 AM, Graham Percival wrote: or an art history / research grant. I think the latter is more likely... for example, if somebody got a grant to typeset 17th century Norweigan folk songs, and decided to use lilypond, and spent x% of the grant towards improving community-oriented

Re: critical issues

2011-01-23 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:29:11AM -0500, Boris Shingarov wrote: The Lilypond project has a very specific set of objectives. There is a defined set of procedures, a roadmap, a set of criteria of what is acceptable to go into the codebase, etc. This is true of any (well-organized) project.

Re: critical issues

2011-01-04 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 01:14:19PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: version, but this looks fine. My intention was that, even if it was a minor bug, then someone had put work in recently to fix it. If someone else has just unpicked that, then this a Bad Thing and should be corrected. I don't want

Re: critical issues

2011-01-03 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 3:15 AM Subject: Re: critical issues On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 04:37:35PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: Priority-Critical

Re: critical issues

2011-01-02 Thread Phil Holmes
[snip long-ish discussion] OK, I think we reached a conclusion on this and so would like to make a patch. I propose: Priority-Critical: LilyPond segfaults, a regression (see below) against a previous stable version or a regression against a fix developed for this version. This does not

Re: critical issues

2011-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 04:37:35PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: Priority-Critical: LilyPond segfaults, a regression (see below) against a previous stable version or a regression against a fix developed for this version. This does not apply where the regression occurred because a feature was

Re: critical issues

2011-01-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 03:15:22AM +, Graham Percival wrote: On Sun, Jan 02, 2011 at 04:37:35PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: Priority-Critical: LilyPond segfaults, a regression (see below) against a previous stable version or a regression against a fix developed for this version. This

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Look, we simply *cannot* offer users anything that would be reasonable by most standards. We have highly embarrassing bugs from 2006 that we're not even *pretending* to be working on. We've been in release crunch mode for at least six months. The only glimmer of hope on the horizon is

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
What we would need is a payed full-time developer. I have forgotten to say that such a developer needs certain skills in addition to C++ and Scheme, namely being a musician... Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I'm not optimistic about that; I think a more realistic opportunity would be to get some grant money from some artistic organization. Mhmm. `Programming' in its broadest sense is research, thus getting grants limits the number of persons enormously. However, the number of music researchers

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:16 AM Nope, for precisely the reason you gave earlier: our documentation generally has zero input from programmers, so it's not at all a good representation of what's intended. We have a set of intended to be working examples. They're

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Jan Warchoł
2011/1/1 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org: What we would need is a payed full-time developer.  However, this is expensive.  Assuming that the programmer has a family with children, an appartment, etc., and to provide a reasonably good living for him or her, this would be about 3000 Euros a month

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:39:37AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: I'm not optimistic about that; I think a more realistic opportunity would be to get some grant money from some artistic organization. Mhmm. `Programming' in its broadest sense is research, thus getting grants limits the

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes: On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:31:23 -0800, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: ... the concern I had was this. Quite a lot of the documentation was written, not by inspecting the code to see what was intended, but by experimenting and writing up

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: In my idle moments, I like to discourage myself by trying to figure out how long it would take to achieve something reasonable for users. Let's play this game now, and start making some unrealistic-but-just-possible assumptions: 1. reasonable

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Karl Hammar
Graham: On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:10:49AM +0100, Werner LEMBERG wrote: ... But maybe there is a group of LilyPond philanthropists who can afford this and are willing to do so... I'm not optimistic about that; I think a more realistic opportunity would be to get some grant money from some

Re: critical issues

2011-01-01 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 01:06:04PM +0100, Karl Hammar wrote: Graham: Of course, writing artistic and research grants is a non-trivial amount of work, and it's hardly guaranteed to have any results. But I think that with the right angle -- be that collaborative folk music archival, or

Re: critical issues

2010-12-31 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Friday, December 31, 2010 11:20 PM On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 08:43:36PM +, Keith OHara wrote: Trevor Daniels t.daniels at treda.co.uk writes: Graham Percival wrote Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:56 AM I want to keep the word intentionally, though -- if

Re: critical issues

2010-12-31 Thread Keith OHara
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:31:23 -0800, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: ... the concern I had was this. Quite a lot of the documentation was written, not by inspecting the code to see what was intended, but by experimenting and writing up what was found. I certainly worked that way,

Re: critical issues

2010-12-31 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 12:31:23AM -, Trevor Daniels wrote: Graham Percival wrote Friday, December 31, 2010 11:20 PM However, lilypond never intentionally tried to avoid those objects colliding -- in fact, intentionally avoiding this collision would require a fair chunk of extra code.

Re: critical issues

2010-12-30 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham Percival wrote Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:56 AM On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:32:56PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: From: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu On 12/28/10 4:18 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: The difference between Phil's version and the previous version

Re: critical issues

2010-12-30 Thread Keith OHara
Trevor Daniels t.daniels at treda.co.uk writes: Graham Percival wrote Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:56 AM I want to keep the word intentionally, though -- if something only happened to work because of a happy coincidence of bugs, then breaking that should not be a Critical bug. I'm not

Re: critical issues

2010-12-29 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2010, um 04:57:47 schrieb Carl Sorensen: On 12/28/10 4:18 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: In the case of #3, if it's not actually a problem, then when a programmer takes a look at the issue, they can quickly mark it as an invalid report. I

Re: critical issues

2010-12-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:32:56PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: From: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu On 12/28/10 4:18 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: The difference between Phil's version and the previous version is Something that worked as it should in a previous

Re: critical issues

2010-12-28 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 01:24:32PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival Ironically, although the current printed policy seems to be too inclusive for Critical issues, my main concern is that bug squad members are classifying stuff as High instead of

Re: critical issues

2010-12-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/28/10 4:18 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 01:24:32PM -, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Graham Percival I think one of these was mine. This is the thing I want to discuss before creating a patch. I think the

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-17 Thread Karl Hammar
- This is a multipart MIME message. Karl Hammar: Carl Sorensen: ... I've posted a patch on Rietveld. Can you do the regression test? http://codereview.appspot.com/1195044 After a make test-redo I get: . the mandatory output-distance. . a diff of tree.gittext, showing Carls patch .

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-17 Thread Karl Hammar
And here comes the test-baseline file. Regards, /Karl Hammar attachment: tie-semi-single.png___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-15 Thread Karl Hammar
Carl Sorensen: ... I've posted a patch on Rietveld. Can you do the regression test? http://codereview.appspot.com/1195044 After a make test-redo I get: . the mandatory output-distance. . a diff of tree.gittext, showing Carls patch . 314 below threshold . 2062 unchanged From this I assume

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-15 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/15/10 1:12 AM, Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se wrote: Carl Sorensen: ... I've posted a patch on Rietveld. Can you do the regression test? http://codereview.appspot.com/1195044 After a make test-redo I get: . the mandatory output-distance. . a diff of tree.gittext, showing Carls

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-14 Thread Marc Hohl
Joe Neeman schrieb: On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 22:14 +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: Issue 1080: Regression: bar lines in double bar are positioned too close together pnorcks mentions commit 27a4d9354effb09c696925881ec4df007da8a0db as a possible cause. Reverting part of that commit: gives me the

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-14 Thread Karl Hammar
Carl Sorensen: On 5/13/10 1:11 PM, Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se wrote: ... make test-baseline ... make check ... Ok, done that. With the guidance from http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=881: I can't explain why, but making the print function pure by redefining

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-14 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/14/10 7:01 AM, Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se wrote: Carl Sorensen: On 5/13/10 1:11 PM, Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se wrote: ... make test-baseline ... make check ... Ok, done that. With the guidance from http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=881: I can't

Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-14 Thread Karl Hammar
Carl Sorensen: On 5/14/10 7:01 AM, Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se wrote: Carl Sorensen: ... You also need to redefine the 'stencil for laissez-vibrez tie in scm/define-grobs.scm. ... I can help with doning the regression test. Second-guessing what Niels patch was about was not included in

Re: Issue 881 Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties (was Re: Critical issues)

2010-05-14 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 5/14/10 8:18 AM, Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se wrote: Carl Sorensen: On 5/14/10 7:01 AM, Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se wrote: Carl Sorensen: ... You also need to redefine the 'stencil for laissez-vibrez tie in scm/define-grobs.scm. ... I can help with doning the regression test.

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-13 Thread Karl Hammar
Issue 881: Arpeggios may collide with laissezVibrer ties According to the bug tracker, v2.11.19's output is what to aim for. Neil gave the fix: (define-public (laissez-vibrer::print grob) (ly:tie::print grob)) (then add laissez-vibrer::print to pure-print-callbacks) But he has not done a

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:06:45AM +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: How do one do a regtest? Regression check; by compiling stuff. 8.1 Introduction to regression tests The regression tests are automatically compiled using special `make' targets. The output of the regression tests is also

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-13 Thread Karl Hammar
Issue 815: Enhancement: AJAX-powered search auto-completion for the online documentation Issue 1038: more technical website items Theese two seem to be related to the web site, not to the released software. I can understand that it can be critical for the official site, but how can that be

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:14:17PM +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: *** Issue 815: Enhancement: AJAX-powered search auto-completion for the online documentation Why is this a critical issue for the lilypond release? Because the patch has been hanging around for over a year. My decision on this

Re: Critical issues

2010-05-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 09:41:47AM +0200, Karl Hammar wrote: Issue 815: Enhancement: AJAX-powered search auto-completion for the online documentation Issue 1038: more technical website items Theese two seem to be related to the web site, not to the released software. I can understand

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