Hi,
Am 19.07.2015 um 09:21 schrieb David Kastrup:
That nobody ever bothered to do so in all those
years is one indicator that there is not much overlap between people
wanting to use LilyPond and people wanting to use Markdown.
I am one of this (perhaps small) intersection between Markdown and
James Lowe p...@gnu.org writes:
On 19/07/15 07:25, Federico Bruni wrote:
Werner, I'm skipping your replies where you were implying that I
was proposing to change the whole documentation system and not just
the website.
etc.
OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to improve what the
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:14, Federico Bruni
f...@inventati.org ha scritto:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 9:40, James Lowe p...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to improve what the
front
page of the website looks like *now* without (for now) worrying
Jean-Charles Malahieude lily...@orange.fr writes:
Le 19/07/2015 08:25, Federico Bruni a écrit :
texi2html is deprecated since 2011. It's still present in most
distributions but I guess that it won't be there forever. For example,
in Debian:
https://wiki.debian.org/Texi2htmlTransition
Am 19.07.2015 um 07:26 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:
As a preliminary I want to mention that in general I can imagine that
we separate the top-level entry page of lilypond.org from the texinfo
system. Somewhere we could have a `doc' subdirectory, and from there
on everything is generated with
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On 19/07/15 07:25, Federico Bruni wrote:
Werner, I'm skipping your replies where you were implying that I
was proposing to change the whole documentation system and not just
the website.
etc.
OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes:
As a preliminary I want to mention that in general I can imagine that
we separate the top-level entry page of lilypond.org from the texinfo
system. Somewhere we could have a `doc' subdirectory, and from there
on everything is generated with texinfo as
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
texi2html is deprecated since 2011. It's still present in most
distributions but I guess that it won't be there forever. For example,
in Debian:
https://wiki.debian.org/Texi2htmlTransition
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg01516.html
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 9:40, James Lowe p...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to improve what the front
page of the website looks like *now* without (for now) worrying about
CSS and using different web tools and fretting over things that have
not yet
Le 19/07/2015 08:25, Federico Bruni a écrit :
[…]
2. We still depend on texi2html and the help request by
Jean-Charles, who tried moving to texi2any, not surprisingly was
ignored:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2015-05/msg00032.html
[Werner]
The `non surprisingly' is
Joram joram.no...@gmx.de writes:
Hi,
Am 19.07.2015 um 09:21 schrieb David Kastrup:
That nobody ever bothered to do so in all those
years is one indicator that there is not much overlap between people
wanting to use LilyPond and people wanting to use Markdown.
I am one of this (perhaps
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Federico,
On 19/07/15 09:25, Federico Bruni wrote:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:14, Federico Bruni
f...@inventati.org ha scritto:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 9:40, James Lowe p...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
OK so after all that, what can we
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:46, James Lowe p...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
You have just proved my point.
I said:
... OK so after all that, what can we do *today* to improve what the
front page of the website looks like *now* without (for now) worrying
about CSS ...
I.e just content. Moving
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:14, Federico Bruni
f...@inventati.org ha scritto:
a slider of examples, instead of a long list (as the current examples
page), would be nice but it requires more work on CSS
I just made a nice simple slider (few lines of CSS) by following this
tutorial:
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 10:14, Federico Bruni
f...@inventati.org ha scritto:
a slider of examples, instead of a long list (as the current
examples page), would be nice but it requires more work on CSS
I just made a nice simple slider (few
Werner, I'm skipping your replies where you were implying that I was
proposing to change the whole documentation system and not just the
website.
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 7:26, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
1. All the persons who built the lilypond build system left the
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 0:58, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org ha
scritto:
But it *is* a problem that changing anything on the website is such an
involved process - both in terms of the used infrastructure *and* in
terms of the review process. This *is* scaring away people who would
be
Quoting myself, tool for the website only seems pretty clear:
Not at all. The `website' is *everything* addressed by lilypond.org.
You are talking about the top-level page only, I now suppose.
Werner
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There will be a pressing need to move to texi2any quite soon,
otherwise LilyPond may be removed from the distro repository.
Well, having guile 2.0 is *far* more important! And only David is
working on this... Here, I not only have no time, but I also don't
have any knowledge :-(
Werner
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 11:44, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
If I understand correctly, one point of CSS should be graceful
degradation: if your browser does not support something, the content
will just get displayed like without the CSS.
The graceful degradation would require
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 11:44, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
If I understand correctly, one point of CSS should be graceful
degradation: if your browser does not support something, the content
will just get displayed like without the
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 14:02, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
I was talking about use CSS3 features as long as the behavior when
those are not supported still makes sense.
it wouldn't make sense
I guess that you would see just the first image of the slider, there
would be no
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 12:43, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
The graceful degradation would require some external javascript
library like jquery...
Seriously? That would be another unexpected dollar in my can
standard
committee engineers really be that stupid account. I
Hi David,
Am 19.07.2015 um 10:37 schrieb David Kastrup:
Is this something we should try integrating with lilypond-book?
I basically tried to reproduce lilypond-book on markdown for my
purposes. So before the usual md - html conversion is done, the ly
snippet is compiled by lilypond and replaced
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 12:43, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
The graceful degradation would require some external javascript
library like jquery...
Seriously? That would be another unexpected dollar in my can
standard
committee
Joram joram.no...@gmx.de writes:
Am 19.07.2015 um 10:37 schrieb David Kastrup:
I seem to remember that Henning similarly did some LilyPond
integration into Context and don't think that this is general
knowledge.
This means compared to lilypond-book, one only has to compile it once
with
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 14:02, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
I was talking about use CSS3 features as long as the behavior when
those are not supported still makes sense.
it wouldn't make sense
I guess that you would see just the
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 16:22, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
Tell you what: I'm probably the Nineties user. That GIF annoys me
because it does not allow me to look at stuff as long as I need. I'd
probably have a similar problem with a Slider (which presumably adds
animation to
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 14:31, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 14:02, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
I was talking about use CSS3 features as long as
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 16:22, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
Tell you what: I'm probably the Nineties user. That GIF annoys me
because it does not allow me to look at stuff as long as I need. I'd
probably have a similar problem with
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 16:42, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
We can just display a small gallery. You can click to show the
respective image in a frame, and if JavaScript is available, this can
be
done on hovering over the thumb. That leaves the control with the
user
and
Am 2015-07-19 um 17:36 schrieb Joram joram.no...@gmx.de:
I seem to remember that Henning similarly did some LilyPond integration
into Context and don't think that this is general knowledge.
This means compared to lilypond-book, one only has to compile it once
with context and not in two
Am 2015-07-19 um 14:37 schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
I seem to remember that Henning similarly did some LilyPond integration
into Context and don't think that this is general knowledge.
Probably not, but ConTeXt at all is not really general knowledge ;)
But users who manage the learning
On Jul 19, 2015, at 4:14 AM, Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org wrote:
a slider of examples, instead of a long list (as the current examples page),
would be nice but it requires more work on CSS
It’s worth mentioning that there are a lot of web designers who think that
sliders / carousels
Il giorno sab 11 lug 2015 alle 9:28, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org ha
scritto:
These are all good ideas and suggestions. Now we need someone to give
it a try. I won't be able to do anythong about ut unfortunately.
Unfortunately I'm scared away by texinfo, texi2html, the build system,
etc.
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno sab 18 lug 2015 alle 20:42, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno sab 11 lug 2015 alle 9:28, Urs Liska
u...@openlilylib.org ha
scritto:
These are all good ideas and suggestions. Now
Il giorno sab 18 lug 2015 alle 20:42, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno sab 11 lug 2015 alle 9:28, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org
ha
scritto:
These are all good ideas and suggestions. Now we need someone to
give it a try. I won't
Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org writes:
Il giorno sab 11 lug 2015 alle 9:28, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org ha
scritto:
These are all good ideas and suggestions. Now we need someone to
give it a try. I won't be able to do anythong about ut
unfortunately.
Unfortunately I'm scared away by
As a preliminary I want to mention that in general I can imagine that
we separate the top-level entry page of lilypond.org from the texinfo
system. Somewhere we could have a `doc' subdirectory, and from there
on everything is generated with texinfo as usual.
I understand that having to learn
Il giorno dom 19 lug 2015 alle 7:33, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org ha
scritto:
Federico suggests that *the website* doesn't have to be available in
PDF or info format. He doesn't speak of manuals.
This fine distinction was definitely not obvious in his first e-mail.
Really?
Quoting myself,
But the website doesn't have to be available as PDF or as info
documents if the manuals are. So I don't see anything speaking
against having a website that is developed using arbitrary
technologies that may even change every two years and having the
manuals in their traditional
I'm afraid David is right with many things here, although I'd prefer him
being more moderated in his tone. Federico is laying his finger on an
obviously problematic issue, and he's actively thinking about possible
solutions. Maybe his ideas aren't going to work out for inherent
problems, maybe not
Hi,
I don't really like to join the discussion, because a) I don't like to
tone and b) I don't have time to work on changes or even proposals.
But I'd like to second the general idea by Federico. A website creation
less carved in stone and with easier maintainability is something to aim
at. Any
Il giorno ven 10 lug 2015 alle 20:49, Paul Morris
p...@paulwmorris.com ha scritto:
My thinking is that it would be good to move some or all of the
examples page[1] to the main column of the home page where the news
is now. That clearly shows what LilyPond can do, front and center.
I agree!
I
Am 11. Juli 2015 09:23:44 MESZ, schrieb Federico Bruni f...@inventati.org:
Il giorno ven 10 lug 2015 alle 20:49, Paul Morris
p...@paulwmorris.com ha scritto:
My thinking is that it would be good to move some or all of the
examples page[1] to the main column of the home page where the news
On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:39 AM, James p...@gnu.org wrote:
Perhaps we can tweak the 'website' slightly (i.e. make small changes to
the TexInfo code) to perhaps do something like moving some/all of the
text from here
http://lilypond.org/introduction.html
to the front page/news and jig the
Am 10.07.2015 um 20:49 schrieb Paul Morris:
On Jul 9, 2015, at 5:39 AM, James p...@gnu.org wrote:
Perhaps we can tweak the 'website' slightly (i.e. make small changes to
the TexInfo code) to perhaps do something like moving some/all of the
text from here
http://lilypond.org/introduction.html
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On 08/07/15 08:19, Urs Liska wrote:
Hi,
I've just stumbled over it again: The first thing you see on
lilypond.org after the latest release informations is the news item
about the Fried edition
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