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Paul Morris writes:
> Jan-Peter Voigt wrote
>> I think Guile V2 is the most important issue regarding lilypond in general
>> and especially with these thoughts. This would speed up the scheme-part of
>> lilypond and ensure its inclusion in linux-distros.
>
> +1
>
> And I suppose that any potent
2014-04-11 21:58 GMT+02:00 Jan Nieuwenhuizen :
> My hopes for Schikkers List (if any) are that it would aid in a guile
> scheme to sneak the LilyPond dinosaur into the GUI age and thus help
> keeping it's relevancy up.
>
> If something like Schikkers List would take-off that could trigger
> a real
2014-04-15 20:55 GMT+02:00 Paul Morris :
> And I suppose that any potential future work on optimizing and speeding up
> LilyPond compilation (which I think everyone agrees would be a good thing)
> would make more sense after upgrading to Guile 2.0 (maybe even 2.2 ?).
>
> Does anyone know if we got
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Cheers,
-Paul
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n. Just a quick follow up question: does Schikker's List use its
own custom version of LilyPond (that has been optimized for partial
compilation) or does it use standard LilyPond with external code providing
for the partial compilation? Just curious...
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Am 12.04.2014 00:00, schrieb Francisco Vila:
2014-04-11 14:52 GMT+02:00 Jan-Peter Voigt :
Yes, but lilypond is a text-based commandline tool that can easily be used
with frescobaldi. So I would say, it's a good thing, if there are ways to
make communication between lily and frescobaldi easier to
2014-04-11 14:52 GMT+02:00 Jan-Peter Voigt :
> Yes, but lilypond is a text-based commandline tool that can easily be used
> with frescobaldi. So I would say, it's a good thing, if there are ways to
> make communication between lily and frescobaldi easier to achieve cool
> things. But the graphical
Paul Morris writes:
> On the question about possibilities for some kind of partial compilation,
> I'd be curious to hear from Jan about his experience with Schikker's
> List[1]. Do I remember correctly that it uses LilyPond to re-engrave only
> part of the music, just the part that changed?
Yes,
I agree with this freak called Janek ;) Actually I can hear there some
reverberation of my own ideas ;) That's great that you want to make
Lilypond more user-friendly and make the initial learning curve not that
steep, but it the same time don't forget our you Ultimate Goal. That's
awesome! :)
All
-Paul
[1] http://lilypond.org/schikkers-list/
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Am 11.04.14 00:36, schrieb Urs Liska:
Nevertheless I think that trying to improve usability _now_ _is_ a
good thing.
Yes it is, _but_ the question of _how_ to achieve the improved usibility
is dangerous. We should focus on the unique characteristic of lilypond:
It can't do graphical
Joram Berger writes:
>> Well, it's also in the market for dinosaur tools, namely text-based
>> batch processing tools.
>
> If dinosaur means that they will die out as time passes, I don't
> agree.
Living fossils, then. The way of the horseshoe crab...
> Considering the recent emphasis on web-
> Well, it's also in the market for dinosaur tools, namely text-based
> batch processing tools.
If dinosaur means that they will die out as time passes, I don't agree.
Considering the recent emphasis on web-techniques, I feel like some
people actually start liking text-based approaches due to th
"Phil Holmes" writes:
> - Original Message -
> From: Jan Warchoł
> To: David Kastrup ; Mike Solomon ; Kieren MacMillan ; Han-Wen Nienhuys
> Cc: LilyPond Development Team
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Serious feedb
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From: Jan Warchoł
To: David Kastrup ; Mike Solomon ; Kieren MacMillan ; Han-Wen Nienhuys
Cc: LilyPond Development Team
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Serious feedback and improvement headroom
Look at what happened with Browser Wars
Urs Liska writes:
> Am 11.04.2014 00:51, schrieb David Kastrup:
>
>> I want to be able to draw up some score of mine in ten years and
>> print new versions of it using the version of LilyPond I'll be using
>> then. I've done a mediocre job of ensuring that regarding the
>> stability of LilyPond'
Am 11.04.2014 00:51, schrieb David Kastrup:
Urs Liska writes:
That's a difficult issue, and I think you both (Janek and David) are
completely right with what you write.
Nevertheless I think that trying to improve usability _now_ _is_ a
good thing.
A user of a (notation) software usually need
2014-04-11 0:51 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup :
[...]
> A good part of my work is making it easier for others to do what they
> want.
[...]
... and let me say a big THANK YOU for that ...
Best,
Harm
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Urs Liska writes:
> That's a difficult issue, and I think you both (Janek and David) are
> completely right with what you write.
>
> Nevertheless I think that trying to improve usability _now_ _is_ a
> good thing.
>
> A user of a (notation) software usually needs to finish stuff for a
> concrete
That's a difficult issue, and I think you both (Janek and David) are
completely right with what you write.
Nevertheless I think that trying to improve usability _now_ _is_ a good
thing.
A user of a (notation) software usually needs to finish stuff for a
concrete purpose. An engraver will pro
Jan Warchoł writes:
> Or, to look from other perspective: at current development speed, it
> will take LilyPond somewhere between 10 and 100 years to reach the
> stage where it does most of the things The Right Way (TM) (i.e. that
> most of the ordinary scores are engraved 100% publication qualit
Post Scriptum:
after rereading my previous email, i see that it sounds as if i believed
that implementing the Ultimate Goal (i.e. automatic engraving) and
effectively improving "efficiency" were mutually exclusive. I don't think
that's the case - in some cases the most effective (= with the bigges
Hi,
2014-04-10 11:51 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup :
> Urs Liska writes:
>
>> Am 09.04.2014 11:53, schrieb Jan Warchoł:
>>
>>> Concerning compilation speed - this is indeed a serious problem for
>>> LilyPond, and i don't know which part of the code is most responsible
for
>>> this. Unfortunately i exp
Urs Liska writes:
> Am 09.04.2014 11:53, schrieb Jan Warchoł:
>
>> Concerning compilation speed - this is indeed a serious problem for
>> LilyPond, and i don't know which part of the code is most responsible for
>> this. Unfortunately i expect that changing this would require at least one
>> exp
Am 09.04.2014 11:53, schrieb Jan Warchoł:
2014-04-04 12:43 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska :
(the
handling of accidentals in the input for example: In Amadeus you write the
"visible" notes, that is: the meaning of "d f a" depends on the currently
active key signature). But some others look interesting, an
2014-04-04 12:43 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska :
> (the
> handling of accidentals in the input for example: In Amadeus you write the
> "visible" notes, that is: the meaning of "d f a" depends on the currently
> active key signature). But some others look interesting, and I'll post
them
> on bug-lilypond to
Francisco Vila writes:
> Urs, this is very interesting. My two thoughts below.
>>
>> Another aspect that I found very astonishing is compilation speed. Of course
>> Amadeus files have to be compiled before the result is visible, and this can
>> be automatically done upon save. I think Frescobaldi
Urs, this is very interesting. My two thoughts below.
2014-04-04 12:43 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska :
> ###
>
> The most interesting aspect of the meeting was that Henle's (only) in-house
> engraver was present too, and this may become a fruitful contact. He is
> using Amadeus, a Linux (!) program he bough
Hi Urs,
really interesting!
I have just some short comments.
Am 2014-04-04 um 16:43 schrieb Urs Liska :
> treble F 4/4 is the equivalent to
>
> \clef treble
> \key f \major
> \time 4/4
>
> (,9 ),10_a140140h30
> seems to be an equivalent to a \shape invocation
>
> Personally I think that L
Urs Liska writes:
>> This becomes particularly important when it comes to tweaking
>> output. He wrote (my translation): "My first look at LilyPond [through
>> my presentation and a follow-up email] shows similarities to Amadeus,
>> but OTOH I have the suspicion that the operation
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Urs Liska writes
Am 04.04.2014 15:04, schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt:
What I would vote for very much is an option to recalculate the
>>current system only, but with outputting the complete score anyway
>>(however it may be determined what "current" is). This should work in
>>many cases when a modification doesn't chang
Am 04.04.2014 15:04, schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt:
I don't suggest any significant changes in our input syntax. But I
>>want to point out that editing efficiency on that level_is_ an issue
>>we should keep taking into account when it comes to professional
>>work.
>Current LilyPond input tools, edito
Am 04.04.2014 14:24, schrieb David Kastrup:
> Urs Liska writes:
>
>> The most interesting aspect of the meeting was that Henle's (only)
>> in-house engraver was present too, and this may become a fruitful
>> contact. He is using Amadeus, a Linux (!) program he bought for 20.000
>> Euro in 1988
>
Urs Liska writes:
> The most interesting aspect of the meeting was that Henle's (only)
> in-house engraver was present too, and this may become a fruitful
> contact. He is using Amadeus, a Linux (!) program he bought for 20.000
> Euro in 1988
Well, in 1988 there was no Euro. I presume that you
Hi devels,
I think I have some serious feedback to share, and it may lead to even
more feedback and input.
This week I had the opportunity to present myself, LilyPond and my
"plain text workflows" topic to a significant group of the Henle staff.
In order not to whet your appetite too much: C
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