Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-22 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Graham Percival writes: Dear Graham, I guess it's time to make it official: I'm stepping down as project manager. Thank you so much for all your initiatives and the enormous amounts of effort you spent on LilyPond. You started from some kind of vacuum and created a vibrating community. I'm

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@fam.tuwien.ac.at writes: On 2012-10-13 23:44, David Kastrup wrote: \once creates a one-time-step temporary change, \temporary an unterminated temporary change which can be terminated element-wise with \revert +1 That's a consistent naming scheme, and \temporary

\temporary \override (was: stepping down as project manager)

2012-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
It looks like I have managed to somehow hijack a thread which was _definitely_ about something else. This is inappropriate and I apologize. I hope the change of subject will help disentangling this. The actual problem is that \override currently CLEARS (i.e. reverts) the current value before

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-14 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 14.10.2012 10:11, schrieb Marc Hohl: Am 13.10.2012 23:44, schrieb David Kastrup: Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de writes: Conclusion: I appreciate your latest work – it is just that I am not used to use \omit, \single, \undo and therefore bringing \temporary into line with the (yet unfamiliar)

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-14 Thread Hans Aberg
On 12 Oct 2012, at 09:01, Graham Percival wrote: ... After I'm finished my phd, I'll do the thing which every computer science student should do at least once in their life: I'll make my own language. I'm not comfortable with the level of abstractions that lilypond offers. Just like

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com writes: On 12 Oct 2012, at 09:01, Graham Percival wrote: ... After I'm finished my phd, I'll do the thing which every computer science student should do at least once in their life: I'll make my own language. I'm not comfortable with the level of abstractions

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-14 Thread James
Hello, On 14 October 2012 07:39, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@fam.tuwien.ac.at writes: On 2012-10-13 23:44, David Kastrup wrote: \once creates a one-time-step temporary change, \temporary an unterminated temporary change which can be terminated element-wise

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: [...] On 14 October 2012 07:39, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: The current semantics are basically non-stack, but the stack can be reanimated temporarily from the Scheme layer. This reanimation makes sense from the user layer in some cases as well,

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-14 Thread Hans Aberg
On 14 Oct 2012, at 10:51, David Kastrup wrote: Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com writes: On 12 Oct 2012, at 09:01, Graham Percival wrote: ... After I'm finished my phd, I'll do the thing which every computer science student should do at least once in their life: I'll make my own language.

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com writes: On 14 Oct 2012, at 10:51, David Kastrup wrote: Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com writes: On 12 Oct 2012, at 09:01, Graham Percival wrote: ... After I'm finished my phd, I'll do the thing which every computer science student should do at least once in

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-14 Thread Hans Aberg
On 14 Oct 2012, at 13:25, David Kastrup wrote: Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com writes: On 14 Oct 2012, at 10:51, David Kastrup wrote: Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com writes: On 12 Oct 2012, at 09:01, Graham Percival wrote: ... After I'm finished my phd, I'll do the thing which every

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-13 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
12, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I guess it's time to make it official: I'm stepping down as project manager. I'll stick around for a while to review patches on countdowns and participate in policy discussions, but don't be surprised if I'm gone for good

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-13 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:50 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Funny that you mention that. I was talking about the situation with my oldest friend (now a professional programmer for the past 11 years). He couldn't believe that I was spending so much energy arguing with people who argued

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-13 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 3:50 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Funny that you mention that. I was talking about the situation with my oldest friend (now a professional programmer for the past 11 years). He couldn't believe that I was

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-13 Thread Joe Neeman
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Graham, Many thanks for the amazing amount of energy and work you've put in over the years. You certainly brought a very new style of leadership to the project after I have left. I hope we can count on you to

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-13 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek wrote: In this case, my understanding is that David was arguing against some recent proposals because they would make it hard or impossible to achieve corehence of design. Unfortunately, from what i see Graham understood

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-13 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek wrote: Unfortunately, David seems to be the only active developer that understands some parser subtleties - in other words, only he fully knows the whys. Well, there is

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-13 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 13.10.2012 21:48, schrieb David Kastrup: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:43 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek wrote: Unfortunately, David seems to be the only active developer that understands some parser subtleties - in other words, only

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-13 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/13/2012 11:44 PM, David Kastrup wrote: \once creates a one-time-step temporary change, \temporary an unterminated temporary change which can be terminated element-wise with \revert or, again using a converter, en bloc from the original overrides with \undo. Forgive me for coming into

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-13 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
On 2012-10-14 01:07, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 10/13/2012 11:44 PM, David Kastrup wrote: \once creates a one-time-step temporary change, \temporary an unterminated temporary change which can be terminated element-wise with \revert or, again using a converter, en bloc from the original

stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
I guess it's time to make it official: I'm stepping down as project manager. I'll stick around for a while to review patches on countdowns and participate in policy discussions, but don't be surprised if I'm gone for good in a few months. It's been quite a ride for the past 9 or 10 years

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I guess it's time to make it official: I'm stepping down as project manager. I'll stick around for a while to review patches on countdowns and participate in policy discussions, but don't be surprised if I'm gone

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread Trevor Daniels
Graham, you wrote Friday, October 12, 2012 8:01 AM I guess it's time to make it official: I'm stepping down as project manager. That's a real blow. You've made an immense contribution to LilyPond over the years. It won't be the same without you! But nothing lasts forever; the time has

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: I guess it's time to make it official: I'm stepping down as project manager. I'll stick around for a while to review patches on countdowns and participate in policy discussions, but don't be surprised if I'm gone for good in a few months

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk To: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca Cc: Lily-Devel List lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: Re: stepping down as project manager Graham, you wrote Friday, October 12, 2012 8

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 12.10.2012 09:01, schrieb Graham Percival: I guess it's time to make it official: I'm stepping down as project manager. I'll stick around for a while to review patches on countdowns and participate in policy discussions, but don't be surprised if I'm gone for good in a few months. It's sad

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/10/12 Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk: Graham, you wrote Friday, October 12, 2012 8:01 AM I guess it's time to make it official: I'm stepping down as project manager. That's a real blow. You've made an immense contribution to LilyPond over the years. It won't be the same

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I guess it's time to make it official: I'm stepping down as project manager. I'll stick around for a while to review patches on countdowns and participate in policy discussions, but don't be surprised if I'm gone for good in a few months. It's sad to hear that ... Indeed. I can only

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 01:03:38PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: I'll do the thing which every computer science student should do at least once in their life: I'll make my own language. I'm not comfortable with the level of abstractions

Re: stepping down as project manager

2012-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: - triplets written with 3:2. I'll probably use python for the language, so having a dictionary of hard-coded rules like \tuplet x:y = \tuplet y/x (or \times y/x ) will be really easy. And since it's a python script, it would be