Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-07-13 Thread Janek Warchoł
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: [ let's make a LilyPond meeting ] So, is the date ultimately set? (Friday the 24th to Tuesday the 28th?) I confirm my presence with 98% certainty (2% are reserved for earthquakes, falling meteorites, bus/train strikes and illness) for at least 3 days, but

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-07-13 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: [ let's make a LilyPond meeting ] So, is the date ultimately set? (Friday the 24th to Tuesday the 28th?) I confirm my presence with 98% certainty (2% are reserved for earthquakes, falling meteorites, bus/train

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-07-13 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: [ lots of travel info ] Thanks for tips! I'm not totally sure what my route will be, but i'll be glad if there'll be a chance to finish the journey in company :) Btw, should i prepare myself linguistically? My German is /very/

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-07-13 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 09:50:58PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: [ lots of travel info ] Thanks for tips! I'm not totally sure what my route will be, but i'll be glad if there'll be a chance to finish the journey in company

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-29 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On 26 juin 2012, at 18:26, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Mailing list arguments are a trickier issue. It’s clearly a big problem, but this isn’t something we can fix by waving a change of policy. I’ll schedule a time to discuss it. We need to do

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 29.06.2012 08:05, schrieb m...@apollinemike.com: On 26 juin 2012, at 18:26, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Mailing list arguments are a trickier issue. It’s clearly a big problem, but this isn’t something we can fix by waving a change of policy. I’ll

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread David Kastrup
m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com writes: Sorry for the long delay. The second batch of dates in August are doable for me (Friday the 24th to Tuesday the 28th). Keep me posted! Ok with those who already said they could make the first date? -- David Kastrup

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:  Having never used scheme or C++ in lilypond to fix a bug, I'm curious to find out how it's done. The Graham Way of fixing bugs: mark the issue as Invalid ;-) ___

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Sorry for the long delay. The second batch of dates in August are doable for me (Friday the 24th to Tuesday the 28th). Keep me posted! Ok with those who already said they could make the first date? I've booked my flights (15th to 20th) already some weeks ago, but this shouldn't be a

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Sorry for the long delay. The second batch of dates in August are doable for me (Friday the 24th to Tuesday the 28th). Keep me posted! Ok with those who already said they could make the first date? I've booked my flights (15th to 20th) already some

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote:  Having never used scheme or C++ in lilypond to fix a bug, I'm curious to find out how it's done. The Graham Way of fixing bugs: mark the issue as Invalid ;-) The

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Pity. If you say you booked your flights already for the sake of visiting your relatives, this would probably imply that you would not likely have had more than a day to spare anyway, right? Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread David Kastrup
Assuming from the contents that this was intended as a public response (the foreigners bit does not make sense otherwise). Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Pity. If you say you booked your flights already for the sake of visiting your relatives, this would probably imply that you would

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On 29 juin 2012, at 16:59, David Kastrup wrote: Assuming from the contents that this was intended as a public response (the foreigners bit does not make sense otherwise). Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Pity. If you say you booked your flights already for the sake of visiting your

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread John Mandereau
Il giorno ven, 29/06/2012 alle 16.59 +0200, David Kastrup ha scritto: Well, if there are no other relevant feedbacks today, I am moving for the second date then (August 24th to 28th). It is a pity that we won't get everyone covered, but that's life. It doesn't preclude at least us two

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:26 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: [...] So the core data would be Dortmund Germany (about 10 miles from there) and the proposal for a date would Friday August 17th to Tuesday August 21st, or one week later. Excellent! Both options are ok to me, with a small

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:05 PM, m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote: I can be there for those dates (24th to 28th).  Perhaps not all as I am moving apartments around the 28th but definitely for 2 or 3 days! Oh, then please let me know if you're flying from France, perhaps I

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-29 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:03:27PM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:05 PM, m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote: I can be there for those dates (24th to 28th).  Perhaps not all as I am moving apartments around the 28th but definitely for 2 or 3 days!

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-28 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Han-Wen Nienhuys writes: is one of the things I am spectacularly bad at.  One thing that has turned out to be effective at times is meeting people in person. Amen to that. +100 Jan and I had some spectularly bad fights over patch handling (mainly Jan complaining of mine). Those fights

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:13:21PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Düsseldorf -- Dortmund -- 45 minutes hourly Sounds good. Ok, I'm in as long as we have at least 3 developers other than myself. So far there's David and Werner. Mike, are you completely unavailable for that period? I recall that

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I don't know exactly what a sort-of commune in a rural region means. :) This essentially means that you are eating the same as the horses. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:13:21PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Düsseldorf -- Dortmund -- 45 minutes hourly Sounds good. Ok, I'm in as long as we have at least 3 developers other than myself. So far there's David and Werner. Mike, are you

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: I don't know exactly what a sort-of commune in a rural region means. :) This essentially means that you are eating the same as the horses. I could arrange for that, but for feeling horseish, it would probably suffice to offer sleeping on straw in the

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 27.06.2012 14:14, schrieb Graham Percival: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:13:21PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Düsseldorf -- Dortmund -- 45 minutes hourly Sounds good. Ok, I'm in as long as we have at least 3 developers other than myself. So far there's David and Werner. Well, I do not count

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 07:41:51PM +0200, Marc Hohl wrote: Well, I do not count myself as developer, You've got git push access. Feel like using that to add yourself to Documentation/authors.itexi ? :) - Graham ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 08:05:40PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: As to not counting oneself as developer: I think it would make sense to try workshops on programming topics, also with the aim of putting people's wishes into code and giving them a hang of how to continue. Yes, I'm hoping to have

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-27 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 08:05:40PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: As to not counting oneself as developer: I think it would make sense to try workshops on programming topics, also with the aim of putting people's wishes into code and giving them a

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-26 Thread Colin Hall
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Mailing list arguments are a trickier issue. It???s clearly a big problem, but this isn???t something we can fix by waving a change of policy. I???ll schedule a time to discuss

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 05:44:19PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Decent communication in electronic media is one of the things I am spectacularly bad at. One thing that has turned out to be effective at times is meeting people in

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-26 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 05:44:19PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Decent communication in electronic media is one of the things I am spectacularly bad at. One thing that has turned

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losingdevelopers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-26 Thread Trevor Daniels
Colin Hall wrote Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:44 PM On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Mailing list arguments are a trickier issue. It???s clearly a big problem, but this isn???t something we can fix by waving a

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-26 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 05:44:19PM +0100, Colin Hall wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Decent communication in electronic media is one of the things I am spectacularly

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-26 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On 26 juin 2012, at 18:26, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Mailing list arguments are a trickier issue. It’s clearly a big problem, but this isn’t something we can fix by waving a change of policy. I’ll schedule a time to discuss it. We need to do

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-26 Thread David Kastrup
Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: Colin Hall wrote Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:44 PM On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Mailing list arguments are a trickier issue. It???s clearly a big problem, but

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I seem to remember that Werner was away until the middle of August, and the school holidays last until August 21st. I've now booked a fly to Dortmund (in addition to visiting my two children there will be probably a performance of my piece for Cello orchestra), staying there from Aug 15th to

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
[...] I'm afraid I can't be present. I'm not really a core developer, so couldn't contribute much to the discussion anyway. This doesn't matter. It's fully sufficient that you are capable of drinking beer, I presume :-) Werner ___

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-26 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: So the core data would be Dortmund Germany (about 10 miles from there) and the proposal for a date would Friday August 17th to Tuesday August 21st, or one week later. Any idea about the connectivity with nearby airports? Flying to

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August!

2012-06-26 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 06:26:34PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: So the core data would be Dortmund Germany (about 10 miles from there) and the proposal for a date would Friday August 17th to Tuesday August 21st, or one week later. Any idea

Re: Meeting 2nd half of August! (was: GOP2: 0 - why are we losing developers? (discuss responses))

2012-06-26 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Mailing list arguments are a trickier issue. It’s clearly a big problem, but this isn’t something we can fix by waving a change of policy. I’ll schedule a time to discuss it. We need to do something about this, although at the