Because LilyPond does not handle fingaring notation well, I wrote markup
command:
\version 2.17.96
#(define-markup-command
(fingerMod layout props arg)
(markup-list?)
(interpret-markup layout props
(markup
(#:left-align
(#:override
'(baseline-skip . 1.5)
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes:
On Dec 1, 2013 1:47 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de writes:
I personally don't understand why LP is not common at music
universities but that's probably a chicken-or-the-egg thing and the
lack of large scale
Am 01.12.2013 09:45, schrieb David Kastrup:
This means that the first hurdle is overcoming the inertia of I
already have x, why should I switch? Which leads to (2) even if I can
demonstrate that LP overcomes the technical difficulties of another
notation program, people are going to be
2013/12/1 Karol Majewski karo...@wp.pl
Because LilyPond does not handle fingaring notation well, I wrote markup
command:
\version 2.17.96
#(define-markup-command
(fingerMod layout props arg)
(markup-list?)
(interpret-markup layout props
(markup
(#:left-align
Federico, I'd like to avoid adding extra-offset. I'm looking for general solution.
Dnia 1-12-2013 o godz. 10:27 Federico Bruni napisał(a):
2013/12/1 Karol Majewski karo...@wp.pl
Because LilyPond does not handle fingaring notation well, I wrote markup command: \version "2.17.96"
I think it hasn't been stressed enough yet that the text input by itself is a
huge hurdle. I mean, not the syntax but the plain fact.
Amen.
If you're looking at a real-world score's input file it's overwhelmingly
daunting.
…even for me, and I’m one of Lily’s biggest users in terms of
Hi David,
The situation is not really all that unfavorable for LilyPond.
Having been “in the trenches” perhaps more than most others on this list, I can
tell you the situation *is* really all that unfavorable for Lilypond.
In my opinion, there are only two things that will ever change this:
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes:
Hi David,
The situation is not really all that unfavorable for LilyPond.
Having been “in the trenches” perhaps more than most others on this
list, I can tell you the situation *is* really all that unfavorable
for Lilypond.
In my
Kieren MacMillan writes:
The situation is not really all that unfavorable for LilyPond.
Having been “in the trenches” perhaps more than most others on this
list, I can tell you the situation *is* really all that unfavorable
for Lilypond.
In my opinion, there are only two things that will
Hi David,
1. A real, live, useable, full-functioned GUI
According to the advertising, that's Denemo.
Perhaps when I’ve got a little time to spare, I’ll give that a look — if it’s
really all that, it might become part of my standard “proselytizing” package.
LilyPond for output only is not
Hi Jan,
This is *exactly* why I've been playing/experimenting with GUI
backends/frontends since 2004. If you haven't done so, please have
a look at Schikkers List
http://lilypond.org/schikkers
and come help me out! If only to lure people over to LilyPond,
increase its potential
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca schrieb:
Hi David,
1. A real, live, useable, full-functioned GUI
According to the advertising, that's Denemo.
Perhaps when I’ve got a little time to spare, I’ll give that a look —
if it’s really all that, it might become part of my standard
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes:
I think it hasn't been stressed enough yet that the text input by
itself is a huge hurdle. I mean, not the syntax but the plain fact.
Amen.
If you're looking at a real-world score's input file it's
overwhelmingly daunting.
…even for
Hi Urs,
If anybody is interested in this and has experience with Python and/or
MusicXML please contact us
I have no Python experience, but lots of XML/XSL(T) experience — and, of
course, a proven willingness to financially support Lilypond.
Will those help?
Kieren.
Hi David,
we'll probably need some open discussion of common problems and
imaginary input that would make it considerably easier for people to
overcome them.
I’m right in the middle of an immense engraving project — I have lots of fodder
and examples for such a discussion.
LilyPond's rigid
Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes:
Kieren MacMillan writes:
(so that users *never* have to see Lilypond “code”); or
and this is what I don't understand.
My idea is exactly the opposite: to show people the corresponding text
input also,
also
so that they have a very easy way to
karol wrote
Because LilyPond does not handle fingaring notation well, I wrote markup
command:
what do you mean by that - example?
The drawback is that the numerals are not centered on notehead.
Now, take a look at the example. My question is: how can I improve the
code to have this
On 30/11/13 21:40, David Kastrup wrote:
The backend is much less coherent, so expertise is harder to acquire,
people tend to work with partial knowledge, and progress is a lot more
fragile. We need to get those four months down, and yes, a shouting
match is not going to help. What will help is
On 01/12/13 09:45, David Kastrup wrote:
Finale output is ugly to the degree where it is distracting readability,
particularly for instrumentalists. Sibelius' corporate parent has fired
its core developer team in the UK, including its original authors.
Steinberg does not yet have a finished
karol wrote
Because LilyPond does not handle fingaring notation well, I wrote markup
command:
what do you mean by that - example?
Take a lok here:
http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/fingering-overlap-bug-td154572.html
maybe you can adapt http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=637 to
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes:
On 30/11/13 21:40, David Kastrup wrote:
The backend is much less coherent, so expertise is harder to acquire,
people tend to work with partial knowledge, and progress is a lot
more fragile. We need to get those four months down,
OK, got it!
\version 2.17.96
#(define-markup-command
(fingerMod layout props arg)
(markup-list?)
(interpret-markup layout props
(markup
(#:translate (cons 0.75 0)
(#:right-align
(#:override
'(baseline-skip . 1.5)
(#:finger
On 01/12/13 12:49, David Kastrup wrote:
I don't think this sort of preplanning works out well. Mostly it just
leads to people going away until the stuff they are not interested in is
done. We need to figure out better ways to work on parallel and partly
conflicting goals.
Yes, I guess that's
Hi Joseph,
The default output of Finale is indeed ugly, and I was reminded that Sibelius
too has its problems when I recently received a score from a friend which
would surely have looked much better done in Lilypond.
The thing is, though, both are so easy to tweak, it doesn't matter.
I
On 01/12/13 14:00, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
I disagree somewhat… and so do most of my Finale- and Sibelius-using friends
and colleagues, who complain endlessly about how much time it takes to tweak
scores and parts.
How does that compare to their reaction to Lilypond? I would guess amazement
On Sun, 2013-12-01 at 11:41 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
In my opinion, there are only two things that will ever change this:
1. A real, live, useable, full-functioned GUI (so that users *never*
have to see Lilypond “code”);
According to the advertising, that's Denemo.
I hope nothing I
karol wrote
what do you mean by that - example?
Take a lok here:
http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/fingering-overlap-bug-td154572.html
maybe you can adapt http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=637 to your needs
(see the file below)
The numerals are not centered, but that's not a big
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling
joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote:
On 01/12/13 09:45, David Kastrup wrote:
Finale output is ugly to the degree where it is distracting readability,
particularly for instrumentalists. Sibelius' corporate parent has fired
its core
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes:
Hi Joseph,
The default output of Finale is indeed ugly, and I was reminded that
Sibelius too has its problems when I recently received a score from
a friend which would surely have looked much better done in
Lilypond.
The thing is,
On 01/12/13 14:13, immanuel litzroth wrote:
I follow a music education program that requires me to play in a combo 1 hour a
week. The scores there are prepared
by paid professionals, usually in Sibelius. They are invariably late, and
usually unreadable when they arrive.
Chords on top of each
On 01/12/13 14:56, immanuel litzroth wrote:
Here's a nice example.
That's almost certainly someone writing to full score (which has particular
spacing properties) and auto-exporting to parts without ever actually looking at
them. Surprise to surprise, the horizontal spacing issues are
Am 2013-12-01 um 15:26 schrieb Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:
I think it hasn't been stressed enough yet that the text input by itself is a
huge hurdle. I mean, not the syntax but the plain fact.
If you're looking at a real-world score's input file it's overwhelmingly
daunting. And if you
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling
joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote:
On 01/12/13 14:56, immanuel litzroth wrote:
Here's a nice example.
That's almost certainly someone writing to full score (which has
particular spacing properties) and auto-exporting to parts
Hi David,
I'm always a bit surprised about the low resonance on features like
URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3648
Issue 3648: Patch: Isolated durations in music sequences now stand for
unpitched notes
It’s a nice feature… but applicable, I would imagine, to a
Am 2013-12-01 um 19:15 schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
I'm always a bit surprised about the low resonance on features like
URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3648
Issue 3648: Patch: Isolated durations in music sequences now stand for
unpitched notes
I hear you - as
How does that compare to their reaction to Lilypond? I would guess amazement
at how much Lilypond gets right, but frustration with how relatively
complicated it is to enter a score and see the results? And probably
overwhelming frustration when they hit the point of wanting to tweak
Hello all,This is *killing* my productivity on my current [extremely-high-pressure, past-due] project…For one example (hardly the worst), here’s Lilypond’s default output from one section of my bass part:Can someone please whip me up a helper function which does the following: 1. automatically
Hi Richard,
They had posted the musicXML too, so I imported it into Denemo
and re-typeset it with LilyPond. The result was this:
http://imslp.org/wiki/Oboe_Sonata_in_C_major_(Albinoni,_Tomaso)
I didn't need to tweak it with LilyPond, and, for fun, I transposed it
up a minor third for
On Sun, 2013-12-01 at 09:19 -0500, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
On the other hand, something really useful — and helpful in getting
users “out of the code” — would be the ability to say:
lastCymbalCrash = {
\atMoment (256 . 1) b4\accent\sff
}
and then output a 256-measure part (complete
Thanks a lot for the tips which work perfectly.
I would like to understand how the \hspace #0 can impact the height of a
line or the way it is wrapped. Is that explained anywhere in the
documentation?
--
View this message in context:
Hi Richard,
Ha! It's funny you should mention this, but I just added a command to
Denemo to create a staff complete with time signature changes and empty
measures for a score (for a completely different reason).
Synchronicity!
Front-end stuff is so easy to do with a pre-processor like
Follow-up…
Cancel the bounty call for now: I’ve hacked my way through the problem manually.
I’ll post a feature request (and new bounty offer) some time next month.
Thanks,
Kieren.
On 2013-Dec-1, at 09:46, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote:
Hello all,
This is *killing* my
Am 01.12.2013 12:04, schrieb Kieren MacMillan:
Hi Urs,
If anybody is interested in this and has experience with Python and/or MusicXML
please contact us
I have no Python experience, but lots of XML/XSL(T) experience — and, of
course, a proven willingness to financially support Lilypond.
On Sun, 1 Dec 2013, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
I am looking forward to examining Denemo, once my current project load
diminishes to the point where “free time” is a reality.
Denemo is mentioned several times in this thread.
I have installed and tried Denemo several times recently and in the
On Sun, 2013-12-01 at 17:27 +0100, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
On Sun, 1 Dec 2013, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
I am looking forward to examining Denemo, once my current project load
diminishes to the point where “free time” is a reality.
Denemo is mentioned several times in this thread.
I
Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com writes:
On Sun, 2013-12-01 at 11:41 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
In my opinion, there are only two things that will ever change this:
1. A real, live, useable, full-functioned GUI (so that users *never*
have to see Lilypond “code”);
According to the
Henning Hraban Ramm lilypon...@fiee.net writes:
Am 2013-12-01 um 19:15 schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
I'm always a bit surprised about the low resonance on features like
URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3648
Issue 3648: Patch: Isolated durations in music
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes:
Hi David,
I'm always a bit surprised about the low resonance on features like
URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3648
Issue 3648: Patch: Isolated durations in music sequences now stand for
unpitched notes
It’s a
Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl writes:
On Sun, 1 Dec 2013, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
I am looking forward to examining Denemo, once my current project
load diminishes to the point where “free time” is a reality.
Denemo is mentioned several times in this thread.
I have installed
Kieren MacMillan wrote
How does that compare to their reaction to Lilypond? I would guess
amazement at how much Lilypond gets right, but frustration with how
relatively complicated it is to enter a score and see the results? And
probably overwhelming frustration when they hit the point of
SoundsFromSound soundsfromso...@gmail.com writes:
The biggest complaint I've heard from many of my peers (when it comes
to possibly switching from Finale/Sibelius) is that LilyPond looks
like way too much work and Text input?? That makes absolutely no
sense for music. You're not writing a
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org schrieb:
SoundsFromSound soundsfromso...@gmail.com writes:
The biggest complaint I've heard from many of my peers (when it comes
to possibly switching from Finale/Sibelius) is that LilyPond looks
like way too much work and Text input?? That makes absolutely no
2013/11/30 Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net:
On 30/11/13 12:30, Janek Warchoł wrote:
We'll see how to split the amount between sponsors when i'm finished -
i originally intended to do just flat, natural and sharp, so doing all
microtonal accidentals may take me extra time.
2013/11/26 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com:
If Marc or Harm are reading this message, I've just compiled bendtest.ly
with 2.17.96 and there's a problem in measure 10: a beam appears and I get
this warning:
Drawing systems...
bendtest.ly: warning: no viable initial configuration found:
Hi,
2013/12/2 Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com:
2013/11/26 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com:
If Marc or Harm are reading this message, I've just compiled bendtest.ly
with 2.17.96 and there's a problem in measure 10: a beam appears and I get
this warning:
Drawing systems...
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com writes:
2013/11/26 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com:
If Marc or Harm are reading this message, I've just compiled bendtest.ly
with 2.17.96 and there's a problem in measure 10: a beam appears and I get
this warning:
Drawing systems...
bendtest.ly:
SoundsFromSound wrote
I wonder how the [Gittip] system works and how effective it could be for
FLOSS development.
I have been keeping my eye on Gittip. It's basically a tool that lets
individuals make ongoing weekly payments to other individuals (or
organizations) to support whatever work they
Hi all - I just downloaded LilyPond, ran the test which worked fine, and now
I'm trying to follow the tutorial, and ran into a problem right off at the
command line section. When I open LilyPond, a command prompt box opens,
which is I assume where I'm supposed to type the command lilypond test.ly
Siena wrote
Hi all - I just downloaded LilyPond, ran the test which worked fine, and
now
I'm trying to follow the tutorial, and ran into a problem right off at the
command line section. When I open LilyPond, a command prompt box opens,
which is I assume where I'm supposed to type the command
SoundsFromSound soundsfromsound at gmail.com writes:
Siena wrote
Hi all - I just downloaded LilyPond, ran the test which worked fine, and
now
I'm trying to follow the tutorial, and ran into a problem right off at the
command line section. When I open LilyPond, a command prompt box
Siena wrote
SoundsFromSound
soundsfromsound at
gmail.com writes:
Siena wrote
Hi all - I just downloaded LilyPond, ran the test which worked fine,
and
now
I'm trying to follow the tutorial, and ran into a problem right off at
the
command line section. When I open LilyPond, a
On 12/01/2013 06:51 PM, Siena wrote:
Hi all - I just downloaded LilyPond, ran the test which worked fine, and now
I'm trying to follow the tutorial, and ran into a problem right off at the
command line section. When I open LilyPond, a command prompt box opens,
which is I assume where I'm
On 02/12/13 13:18, Siena wrote:
SoundsFromSound soundsfromsound at gmail.com writes:
Siena wrote
Hi all - I just downloaded LilyPond, ran the test which worked fine, and
now
I'm trying to follow the tutorial, and ran into a problem right off at the
command line section. When I open LilyPond,
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