Re: Reducing horizontal spacing

2013-12-07 Thread David Bolton
Janek, I also experimented with a context statement that matched the first documentation page, but I couldn't get it to work (see attached). David On 12/7/2013 1:45 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/12/7 David Bolton davidkbol...@gmail.com: My goal is to reduce the horizontal spacing so that I

Re: Reducing horizontal spacing

2013-12-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
David, 2013/12/7 David Bolton davidkbol...@gmail.com: Janek, I also experimented with a context statement that matched the first documentation page, but I couldn't get it to work (see attached). That's probably because you are using LilyPond version that doesn't match the documentation

A music function that drops music.

2013-12-07 Thread Richard Shann
I have created this function to drop a staff from a \score { } block: DropMusic = #(define-music-function (parser location arg1) (ly:music?) #{ #} ) This will be useful in Denemo to allow the user to create a staff that is not typeset, but needs to be present for other

Re: A music function that drops music.

2013-12-07 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com writes: I have created this function to drop a staff from a \score { } block: DropMusic = #(define-music-function (parser location arg1) (ly:music?) #{ #} ) This will be useful in Denemo to allow the user to create a staff

Re: LilyPond Website Work (was: A thought on Windows Experience)

2013-12-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 06.12.2013 09:12, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: Having worked for two corporations that have fairly extensive (and stringent) visual identity and branding guidelines (colors, typeface, formatting, etc.), I've learned that there are ways to make an

Re: lilypond.org Pondings

2013-12-07 Thread Daniel Rosen
On Dec 6, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.orgmailto:u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 06.12.2013 22:51, schrieb SoundsFromSound: Urs Liska wrote Hi, What is the official definition of a ponding? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-04/msg00533.html A website

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 06/12/13 00:47, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Since I am not a programmer, I am not sure why, yet when I double click a .ly file in Windows 7 Frescobaldi opens (rapidly) and displays the code. I would imagine that when you install Frescobaldi, it updates the Windows file config such that

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 06/12/13 23:37, Janek Warchoł wrote: Well, i'm not familiar with this area, but keep in mind that one has to find a free, open-source solution that works for every platform we support (Win, Mac, various Unixes) and can be automated. It's not enough to go and create one installer - we need

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/7 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: It may also be a good idea to find a way to visually distinguish between the stable and the development sections of website/manual? Stable: solid color in the color coded area. Development: diagonally striped or patterned in some other way. +1

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/7 Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net: On 06/12/13 23:37, Janek Warchoł wrote: Well, i'm not familiar with this area, but keep in mind that one has to find a free, open-source solution that works for every platform we support (Win, Mac, various Unixes) and can be

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 06/12/13 00:47, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Since I am not a programmer, I am not sure why, yet when I double click a .ly file in Windows 7 Frescobaldi opens (rapidly) and displays the code. I would imagine that when you install

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł wrote: you're probably right. as i said, i don't know this stuff. Well, in this case I think it's not about what you know -- it's about what you think is best to do. If it turns out that the easiest way to organize things is to have one install bundle for

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/7 Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net: On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł wrote: you're probably right. as i said, i don't know this stuff. Well, in this case I think it's not about what you know -- it's about what you think is best to do. If it turns out that the

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 16:52, David Kastrup wrote: The last time I thought that was when I wanted to compare how much worse Emacs fared when using it for working on LaTeX files compared to a specialized simple text editor called Kile or something. Emacs hit in at over 16MB with my current work session

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

2013-12-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org Check out URL:http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=630. It's not clear to me why this is not in URL:http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/snippets/ since it is in the LilyPond tree under Documentation/snippets and it seems

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

2013-12-07 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org Check out URL:http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=630. It's not clear to me why this is not in URL:http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/snippets/ since it is in the LilyPond tree

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net To: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Cc: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience On 07/12/13 16:49, Janek Warchoł

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/7 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net: Links and recommendations - fine, great, wonderful. Bundled install? No way - that's when I'd stop being release manager and when I'd freeze at the current LilyPond install. We could have both bundled and unbundled installer. But right now noone

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

2013-12-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: Lilypond-User lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message -

Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-07 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/12/5 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org What I meant was: what is required for the a minimal first useful user experience. Would a hardcoded tuning do, so that we can implement a tuning choosing mechanism later? yes, stringTunings = #guitar-tuning would be ok for most guitarists It

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Noeck
Am 07.12.2013 17:17, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/7 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net: Links and recommendations - fine, great, wonderful. Bundled install? No way - that's when I'd stop being release manager and when I'd freeze at the current LilyPond install. Why so categorical? How about

RE: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Mr. Wakeling, Thank you for the reply and the explanation. Seems to me to be a simple solution for some of the objections. Mark -Original Message- From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling [mailto:joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:45 AM To: Mark Stephen Mrotek;

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience Am 07.12.2013 17:17, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/7 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net: Links and recommendations -

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 17:14, Phil Holmes wrote: I've already said I oppose this, and I'll restate this. I think it's unfortunate that your opposition consists of just saying no, rather than trying to work out if there are ways to get what you want _and_ get what other people are suggesting. For

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net; Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Cc: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:48 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 17:55, Phil Holmes wrote: Patches welcome. Should I take that as conceding the argument in principle? :-) I know it's frustrating to see so much discussion and no code, but one reason people discuss so much is because they want to make sure there is a solution that will satisfy

on marketing

2013-12-07 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
FYI, found on the dreaded facebook Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas available in MuseScore thanks to Classicman! http://musescore.com/user/19710/sets/54311 Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar®

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net; Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Cc: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 5:00 PM Subject: Re: A thought on Windows Experience

Re: on marketing

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: lilypond.org Pondings

2013-12-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.12.2013 16:07, schrieb Daniel Rosen: On Dec 6, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org mailto:u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 06.12.2013 22:51, schrieb SoundsFromSound: Urs Liska wrote Hi, What is the official definition of a ponding?

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.12.2013 17:41, schrieb Mark Stephen Mrotek: I would imagine that when you install Frescobaldi, it updates the Windows file config such that Frescobaldi becomes the default program with which to open files with the .ly extension. Yes, that's the case. I just did an install of Frescobaldi

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/5 Ryan McClure ryanmichaelmccl...@gmail.com: A quick question--sorry to clog the mailling list--but what are the rules concerning copyright with this sort of thing? Would all works have to be public domain/approved by the copyright holder? I have explicit permission from the author of

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Carl Peterson
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: In particular, I would say that anything used should be incontrovertibly in the public domain (i.e., the older, the better). This is just impossible with

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/7 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/12/6 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: In particular, I would say that anything used should be incontrovertibly in the public domain (i.e., the older,

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/6 Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakeling@webdrak What Finale version are you using to generate these examples? They weren't created by me; i don't know the version (but the Eja Mater is probably 2003 or 2005). I hate to say this, but from my point of view (as a Lilypond user and

Re: on marketing

2013-12-07 Thread Richard Shann
On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 18:11 +0100, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... Is that because MuseScore cannot handle scores with several movements, I wonder. Contrast

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com To: Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net Cc: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 6:18 PM Subject: Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials 2013/12/6

Re: on marketing

2013-12-07 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Richard Shann writes: On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 18:11 +0100, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... Is that because MuseScore cannot handle scores with several

RE: on marketing

2013-12-07 Thread Daniel Rosen
-Original Message- From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling [mailto:joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:12 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: on marketing On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas That would be 32 :-)

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 19:18, Janek Warchoł wrote: Have you looked at Eja Mater awful Finale.pdf? Do you consider the issues marked in red minor? They actually make it very difficult to

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread SoundsFromSound
Janek Warchoł wrote 2013/12/6 Joseph Rushton Wakeling lt;joseph.wakeling@webdrak gt; What Finale version are you using to generate these examples? They weren't created by me; i don't know the version (but the Eja Mater is probably 2003 or 2005). I hate to say this, but from my point of

Re: on marketing

2013-12-07 Thread Carl Peterson
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.comwrote: On Sat, 2013-12-07 at 18:11 +0100, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: On 07/12/13 18:07, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Beethoven's 104 Piano Sonatas That would be 32 :-) But 104 separate movements in total ... Is that

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 19:39, SoundsFromSound wrote: I could assist with Finale 2014 though I hesitate to call myself an 'expert' in Finale. Power user maybe, but no expert. Does that help? I think that power user would be fine for the kind of test run I proposed. I mean, so long as you don't let your

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.12.2013 19:39, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: No, but I imagine that if you went on the Finale mailing list and said, Hey, we're trying out this challenge as part of a drive to test and improve our usability, anyone up for it? you'd get some volunteers. One potential issue I'm seeing

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 06.12.2013 17:11, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: On 05/12/13 21:18, Janek Warchoł wrote: as promised, here are engraving comparisons that i hand out to musicians i meet: What Finale version are you using to generate these examples? I hate to say this, but from my point of view (as a

Jniz music notation software

2013-12-07 Thread Bruno Grandjean
Hello Just to inform you that Jniz is a new free software designed for musicians as a support tool to the musical composition. It is using Lilypond to export in midi, lilypond formats. The website: http://www.jniz.org Hope you will enjoy it.. All the best Bruno Grandjean Jniz dev

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 20:05, Urs Liska wrote: I have to throw in a comparison: http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/07_02.png http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/finale2008_one-system.png These are an excerpt from a copyright piece, but I've got permission to display in the context of a tutorial

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.12.2013 20:18, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: On 07/12/13 20:05, Urs Liska wrote: I have to throw in a comparison: http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/07_02.png http://lilypond.ursliska.de/uploads/pics/finale2008_one-system.png These are an excerpt from a copyright piece, but I've

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 19:54, Urs Liska wrote: But once we're going to compete with people from other tools' mailing lists it will probably become a real (and therefore less informative) competition. Well, if you couch it in terms along the lines of, Hey, we're just trying to improve our software here,

Re: engraving comparisons and other promotional materials

2013-12-07 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 07/12/13 20:21, Urs Liska wrote: I think fixing the Finale part (reliably) will be much more problematic, at least with this kind of music where the complexity leads to that amount of catastrophic results as in the Finale version. That's why you want to run the test, to see if a good and

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-07 Thread David Bolton
On 12/7/2013 6:39 AM, Urs Liska wrote: As can be seen here (one more time): Am 07.12.2013 08:45, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/7 David Bolton davidkbol...@gmail.com: ... And by the way, why are you using documentation for versions 2.16 and 2.17 while the file is marked as 2.14? This

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-07 Thread David Bolton
On 12/7/2013 9:48 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2013/12/7 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: It may also be a good idea to find a way to visually distinguish between the stable and the development sections of website/manual? Stable: solid color in the color coded area. Development: diagonally striped or

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-07 Thread Carl Peterson
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: My recommendations would be: 1. Use a consistent URL for the latest stable version of LilyPond documentation. That way web searches and other pages across the web link to the latest version instead of ancient versions of

Re: Reducing horizontal spacing

2013-12-07 Thread David Bolton
On 12/7/2013 2:16 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote: David, 2013/12/7 David Bolton davidkbol...@gmail.com: Janek, I also experimented with a context statement that matched the first documentation page, but I couldn't get it to work (see attached). That's probably because you are using LilyPond

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-07 Thread Francisco Vila
El 07/12/2013 15:48, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net escribió: I don't see why you assume that. There's no particular reason why you need an identical bundled install for every platform -- different platforms come with different expectations on the part of users, so it

Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-07 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/12/5 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com: When you enter the fret number, the program can find the right pitch combining string + fret number (and taking the tuning into account). Hi Federico, How should this ever work? Thinking of modulations/enhormonics. -Harm