Re: Lilypond Website Work

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote: I have something in development for #2 on Federico's list. I've parsed through enough of the texi2html script that I was able to insert CSS classes into the body tag that

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/9 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: 2013/12/6 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: A complete color _scheme_ might be distracting, but it may make sense to have a title or side bar or other obvious always on-screen element color-coded. Okay, so I have a patch set ready to go with

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread Urs Liska
Am 09.12.2013 07:28, schrieb Carl Peterson: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:12 AM, James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com mailto:jamshar...@gmail.com wrote: Carl's two-column approach is pretty much what I had in mind. Although, he suggests this would be only a slight improvement. I think it

Heard on Twitter

2013-12-09 Thread Peter Bjuhr
In a reply the MuseScore Twitter account stated that the LilyPond export function will be removed in the next version: @shoorick77 Lilypond export is removed for next version in favour of consolidating efforts on MusicXML i/o http://twitter.com/musescore/status/409830922658529280 Best

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com writes: Carl's two-column approach is pretty much what I had in mind. Although, he suggests this would be only a slight improvement. I think it could be more than that. Suppose we introduce the downloads with a couple of paragraphs across the top: ~~

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread Richard Shann
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 00:10 +0100, Federico Bruni wrote: 2013/12/5 Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com The Denemo windows and mac binaries have LilyPond built in. Not sure about the GNU/Linux one. I would bet that it's not built in. I just checked, and the

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread James Harkins
On Monday, December 9, 2013 4:52:08 PM HKT, David Kastrup wrote: James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com writes: Carl's two-column approach is pretty much what I had in mind. Although, he suggests this would be only a slight improvement. I think it could be more than that. Suppose we introduce the

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread Urs Liska
Am 09.12.2013 10:15, schrieb James Harkins: Denemo: this is a GUI application for writing music scores that uses LilyPond internally for creating its output. I think this is too much to ask people to read on the download page. The download page should be as simple as possible and direct

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread Richard Shann
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:52 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com writes: Carl's two-column approach is pretty much what I had in mind. Although, he suggests this would be only a slight improvement. I think it could be more than that. Suppose we introduce the

Re: LilyPond 2.17.97 released!

2013-12-09 Thread Thomas Scharkowski
Not Found The requested URL /lilypond/binaries/linux-64/lilypond-2.17.97-1.linux-64.sh was not found on this server. Original-Nachricht We are excited to announce the release of LilyPond 2.17.97 as a potential final beta release for the upcoming stable release 2.18. The

Re: LilyPond 2.17.97 released!

2013-12-09 Thread Eluze
couldn't find the windows version! Eluze -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Re-LilyPond-2-17-97-released-tp155413p155414.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com writes: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:52 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Denemo: this is a GUI application for writing music scores that uses LilyPond internally for creating its output. While working with it, you will not be exposed to the LilyPond language at

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com writes: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:52 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Denemo: this is a GUI application for writing music scores that uses LilyPond internally for creating its output. While working with it, you will not be

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: ** (denemo:6378): WARNING **: Trying to read the pdf file file:///tmp/DenemoneMNfd/denemoprintA.pdf gave an error: Error opening file: No such file or directory starting to generate LilyPond finished generating LilyPond which is probably related to the

LilyPond editing environments

2013-12-09 Thread Urs Liska
Hi, I have a few questions about the contents of the Easier editing page on lilypond.org. a) LilyPondTool. The link is broken, and http://lilypondtool.blogspot.de/ states (as of 2012-09-14) that development of LilyPondTool is stopped. Should I move it to the Other programs not being

Re: LilyPond 2.17.97 released!

2013-12-09 Thread Eluze
I've just been informed by Phil that due to internet connection problems during the upload not all files have reached the server - this will be fixed as soon as possible! Eluze -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Re-LilyPond-2-17-97-released-tp155419.html

Unaccepted #t

2013-12-09 Thread Tom van der Hoeven
The following snippet gives an error because ##t Why Tom \version 2.16.2 freeformat = #f \score{ \new Staff \relative c'{ c d e f a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a \break a b f} \layout { \context { \Score \override NonMusicalPaperColumn

Re: Unaccepted #t

2013-12-09 Thread Urs Liska
Am 09.12.2013 13:00, schrieb Tom van der Hoeven: The following snippet gives an error because ##t Why Tom \version 2.16.2 freeformat = #f \score{ \new Staff \relative c'{ c d e f a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a g a \break a b f} \layout { \context {

Re: Unaccepted #t

2013-12-09 Thread Noeck
Am 09.12.2013 13:00, schrieb Tom van der Hoeven: The following snippet gives an error because ##t Why \override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'line-break-permission = ##t \override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'page-break-permission = ##f Hi Tom, both the line- and the page-break-permissions

Re: Unaccepted #t

2013-12-09 Thread Noeck
both the line- and the page-break-permissions expect one of these key words: 'allow or 'force and not boolean values (#t or #f). PS: Btw, this documented here: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/internals/nonmusicalpapercolumn PPS: If you put this in the layout block, they are valid

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread Richard Shann
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 11:51 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com writes: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:52 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Denemo: this is a GUI application for writing music scores that uses LilyPond internally

Re: LilyPond Website Work

2013-12-09 Thread Federico Bruni
Il 09/dic/2013 09:22 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2013/12/9 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com: 2013/12/6 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: A complete color _scheme_ might be distracting, but it may make sense to have a title or side bar or other obvious always

Re: Unaccepted #t

2013-12-09 Thread Tom van der Hoeven
Urs, thank for you quick reply. I am translating pieces with clef alto to clef treble First step by just copy the original. At checking time I want to be in sink with the original Second step clef treble and free format, because the spacing of Lilypond is the best. For free format you need

Re: Unaccepted #t

2013-12-09 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Tom, Am 09.12.2013 14:05, schrieb Tom van der Hoeven: \override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'line-break-permission = #'force \override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'page-break-permission = #'allow this solves the problem, but is is strange that \override NonMusicalPaperColumn

Re: LilyPond editing environments

2013-12-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/9 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Hi, I have a few questions about the contents of the Easier editing page on lilypond.org. a) LilyPondTool. The link is broken, and http://lilypondtool.blogspot.de/ states (as of 2012-09-14) that development of LilyPondTool is stopped. Should I

adding engravers

2013-12-09 Thread Noeck
Hi, Inside a \with context or for the default context, this is short and nice to write. But it gets more lengthy for general settings in the layout block when different contexts are addressed. I always have to look it up as for the former #' syntax. Is there a shorter way for a general setting

Re: adding engravers

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de writes: Inside a \with context or for the default context, this is short and nice to write. But it gets more lengthy for general settings in the layout block when different contexts are addressed. I always have to look it up as for the former #' syntax. Perhaps

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread Richard Shann
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 14:15 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com writes: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 11:51 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: _Very_ frustrating and unusable. Complains about missing libraries when starting but those

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com writes: I thought I would test out the binary that is on denemo.org and downloaded it in a virtual machine running a vanilla Debian stable O/S, the result: it will not even start. The executables ~/usr/bin/denemo and ~/usr/bin/lilypond are present and

Re: LilyPond editing environments

2013-12-09 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/12/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Hard to say. And I think there was some licensing problem with Lilybin (it may not be fully free, and as GNU we cannot recommend non-free programs). I see MIT license here: https://github.com/trevordixon/LilyBin/blob/master/LICENSE

Re: still no ultimate way to create three-staff piano layout

2013-12-09 Thread Eluze
karol wrote This doesn't solve the problem. Look at the example. In the first system spacing is proper, but in the second, distance between 'b' and 'd' is 9 (should be 10.5). I think this is a paradoxical situation: if a staff (group) is removed then the vertical spacing of the staff group

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread Richard Shann
On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 15:56 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com writes: I thought I would test out the binary that is on denemo.org and downloaded it in a virtual machine running a vanilla Debian stable O/S, the result: it will not even start. The executables

Re: LilyPond editing environments

2013-12-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/9 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com: 2013/12/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Hard to say. And I think there was some licensing problem with Lilybin (it may not be fully free, and as GNU we cannot recommend non-free programs). I see MIT license here:

Re: adding engravers

2013-12-09 Thread Noeck
Hi David, thanks for patiently answering my mail. like \music copying a music variable, \Staff copies a context definition. The salient point is that this context definition contains a \name Staff, so without overriding \name (which is perfectly feasible), the new definition will get stored

Re: LilyPond editing environments

2013-12-09 Thread Urs Liska
Am 09.12.2013 17:34, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/9 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com: 2013/12/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Hard to say. And I think there was some licensing problem with Lilybin (it may not be fully free, and as GNU we cannot recommend non-free programs). I

Re: LilyPond editing environments

2013-12-09 Thread Carl Peterson
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Would a section Online Tools better be placed between the full-fledged editors (Frescobaldi/Denemo) and Text editors or after the Text editors. I think we could consider not only score editors but also tools like -

Re: LilyPond editing environments

2013-12-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/9 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Would a section Online Tools better be placed between the full-fledged editors (Frescobaldi/Denemo) and Text editors or after the Text editors. before text editors imo ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: LilyPond editing environments

2013-12-09 Thread Carl Peterson
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Would a section Online Tools better be placed between the full-fledged editors (Frescobaldi/Denemo) and Text editors or after the Text editors.

Re: LilyPond editing environments

2013-12-09 Thread Urs Liska
Am 09.12.2013 18:19, schrieb Carl Peterson: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Would a section Online Tools better be placed between the full-fledged editors (Frescobaldi/Denemo)

Re: adding engravers

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de writes: \layout { \consists Staff.Ambitus_engraver } That would only make any kind of sense if you could actually write \consists Staff.Ambitus_engraver also in mid-music. What is the connection? I would not expect this just because the syntax to \override

man pages refer to older version in title

2013-12-09 Thread Scott Miller
I am not sure if this is due to being in development, but I wanted to send a note that the man pages for lilypond, musicxml2ly and such for 2.17.x have version 2.14.2 in the title text of the man page doc. (linux 64bit binary from lilypond.org) $ lilypond --version GNU LilyPond 2.17.97

Re: man pages refer to older version in title

2013-12-09 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Scott Miller To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 9:16 PM Subject: man pages refer to older version in title I am not sure if this is due to being in development, but I wanted to send a note that the man pages for lilypond, musicxml2ly

Re: man pages refer to older version in title

2013-12-09 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/12/9 Scott Miller scottli...@gmail.com I am not sure if this is due to being in development, but I wanted to send a note that the man pages for lilypond, musicxml2ly and such for 2.17.x have version 2.14.2 in the title text of the man page doc. the man pages are part of your distro

Re: man pages refer to older version in title

2013-12-09 Thread Scott Miller
Ah! Cancel. That appears to be from the Debian stable version of lilypond on the system. :) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 09/12/2013 06:12, James Harkins wrote: My flippant response makes it sound like any reasonably intelligent person would find the right information fairly quickly, casting the problem in terms of user carelessness. That was a misstatement. My point is that reasonably intelligent, reasonably

Re: lilypond.org Pondings

2013-12-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/7 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Mike, are you still responsible for this or how will new Pondings be included? Pondings can be added by anyone who has push access (and if someone without it makes a patch, having it pushed by someone should be a no-brainer). David is adding one now:

Re: adding engravers

2013-12-09 Thread Noeck
Hi David, I don't like exceptions. I understand, me neither. But to me the current way looks like an exception (until the user understands the details). I attached a small list what users struggle with, whom I help to use LP*. I know that your are reluctant towards such changes and mostly for

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/6 Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk: Janek Warchoł wrote Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:29 PM 2013/12/6 Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk: A simpler approach would be to embed templates into LP so that they could just be invoked. The template would provide the context

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/6 Johan Vromans jvrom...@squirrel.nl: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: A real example using a template which provides an SATB choir on two staves with lyrics between them and a piano staff with accompaniment is attached. I've been using a similar approach for SLHML

Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

2013-12-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/8 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Shall be does not state when. It's certainly not a replacement for a formal submission. If someone finds a way to get hold of the author and get him to place the thing in some public place with a clear license statement, it would not get lost in case he

Re: still no ultimate way to create three-staff piano layout

2013-12-09 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, I think this is a paradoxical situation: if a staff (group) is removed then the vertical spacing of the staff group above is applied This isn’t “paradoxical”; it’s a lack in the spacing algorithm/.parameters, one which has irritated me for a long time. There should be a way to set

Re: lilypond.org Pondings

2013-12-09 Thread Paul Morris
Urs Liska wrote Step out of the dark and tell the world what we do! I use LilyPond for alternative music notation systems like Clairnote: http://clairnote.org/ http://clairnote.org/sheet-music/ and TwinNote (which was my previous focus): http://clairnote.org/twinnote/

Re: lilypond.org Pondings

2013-12-09 Thread Mike Solomon
On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/12/7 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Mike, are you still responsible for this or how will new Pondings be included? Pondings can be added by anyone who has push access (and if someone without it makes a patch,

Re: A thought on Windows Experience

2013-12-09 Thread David Kastrup
Anthonys Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk writes: Likewise, I have no trouble using lilypond's *P*D*F* manuals. My mind is very text-oriented. But I HATE HYPERTEXT. My IQ is off the scale (not really, but I'm in the top few percent of the population), but give me a web-site and if what I'm

Re: lilypond.org Pondings

2013-12-09 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.12.2013 04:01, schrieb Paul Morris: Urs Liska wrote Step out of the dark and tell the world what we do! I use LilyPond for alternative music notation systems like Clairnote: http://clairnote.org/ http://clairnote.org/sheet-music/ and TwinNote (which was my previous focus):

Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

2013-12-09 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.12.2013 00:49, schrieb Janek Warcho?: 2013/12/8 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Shall be does not state when. It's certainly not a replacement for a formal submission. If someone finds a way to get hold of the author and get him to place the thing in some public place with a clear license