Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Who uses lilypond?
what do you use lilypond for.
I use it as a composer. I used to use finale and now I typeset all of
them using lilypond.
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D Josiah Boothby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps I've been missing something, but what *is* this 'gnome
backend'? Is it something every Lilyponder should know about?
instead of generating a pdf or dvi lily will put the result in a gnome
canvas. the fine point is that this graphical output
Hi,
I fixed the lilypond-snapshot package. It should work now. You can get
it by running:
apt-get update
apt-get lilypond-snapshot
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got the following error message
after running lilypond-snapshot:
could you, please, try the new and corrected version I upload recently?
it's here:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/lilypond-snapshot-doc_2.4.0-2_all.deb
Please, let me know if it works for you (or not).
Regards,
Pedro Kroger
Roland Goretzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/lilypond-snapshot-doc_2.4.0-2_all.deb
I actually meant:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/lilypond-snapshot_2.4.0-2_i386.deb
Now there is another error message:
ERROR: In procedure primitive-load-path:
dax2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What is happening? What could I do for making better PDF or PNG output ?
It can't find the fonts. A few people are having trouble with my package
and I can't reproduce or figure out why. Could you try the 2.4.1 version
I'll upload in about one hour?
BTW, what is
Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pedro has not answered my email asking about this.
I'm sorry about that. I've been too busy these last days and I'm now
catching up.
http://lilypond.org/web/download/ says that 2.3.26 is available from
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ It previously
Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I appreciate very much all your work on these packages. Would it be
possible to upload the 2.3.25 packages while you are working on the
2.4 packages. I need the last fix for the ragged problem.
sure. I'll upload the .26 package instead (I'll have to
fixing it should be trivial.
cheers,
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Jonathan C. Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
music]$ cat testa1.ly
{ c'4 e' g' }
music]$
this will only work with 2.3.x. in 2.2.x you should have a \score and
\notes block:
\score {
\notes {
c'4 e' g'
}
}
I suggest you upgrade to 2.3.x. It's pretty stable now and will became
Roland Goretzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How can I get 2.3.22?
my package is called lilypond-snapshot, so:
apt-get update
apt-get install lilypond-snapshot
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Roland Goretzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pardon, I've forgotten to tell, that I've fetched 2.3.20 from Pedro
Krögers website, and now I've the following new .deb's correct
installed on both, my debian-unstable-System and my debian-sid-System:
The aren't my packages :-) see the wf in the
, besides fun :-), would
probably be more maintainable (if the thing is really huge) than using.
Another thing: I advice you to upgrade to lilypond 2.3.x ASAP. It's
really stable now and beautifier than ever :-)
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Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I get this from a file which worked yesterday with 2.3.19:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/music/catalina$ lilypond-snapshot bf15r1.ly
dirname: too few arguments
Try `dirname --help' for more information.
thanks for your bug report.
it's another silly mistake
Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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Hi,
I'm am planning on using Lilypond as a case study for a software
reliability reserach project. Does anyone know:
Interesting. Are you aware that someone else did work in this area
before?
Erik Sandberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ok. This seems like a bug to me: lilypond-snapshot doesn't want to coexist
with your lilypond-data 2.2.5-pk1 package.
this is indeed a bug. The nex version fixes it.
Thanks,
Pedro
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dax2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some days ago I read something interesting (and/or amusing)
about the origin of the name Lilypond.
What was the idea behind the name Lilypond?
Where can I read the (surprising?) story?
Would you add it to the preface (Documentation)?
I
Have you guys seen this?
http://www.wikisophia.org/wiki/Wikisophia:Sandbox
It's pretty cool :-)
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Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can see that we're heroes, but unsung?
;-)
I see guys like Don Knuth and Guido van Rossum in the list. Not a bad
list to have you name mentioned in :-)
Seriously, sometimes I feel that lilypond doesn't have the recognition
it deserves just because
Cameron Horsburgh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I just surfed over to the NoteEdit website, and all there is is a note
saying it had been discontinued due to the upcoming port of Finale to
Linux. Does anyone have any info about this?
from this email it seems it will *not* be done:
Peter B. Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
BTW, I'm working on a midi-to-lilypond converter since I can't get
midi2ly to work correctly. Unfortunately my grasp of both C and MIDI
file format is pretty elementary, and I can only work on it in my spare
time which means about 5 lines of code a
Erik Sandberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does anyone recognise this problem, and do you know a good workaround?
I have this problem also, with debian sid:
paper output to `page-layout.ps'...Calling ghostscript to convert, please wait ...
ESP Ghostscript 7.07.1: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1
* Jefferson dos Santos Felix ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
2 - How do I change margins?
You can use things like:
topmargin
Margin between header and top of the page
bottommargin
Margin between footer and bottom of the page
headsep
Distance between top-most music system and the page header
* Nicolas Sceaux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
A possible definition:
Thanks for your help.
If I do something like:
\notes {
c4
#(ly:export (mus:set 'Staff 'instrument violin))
it works beautifully,
But it doesn't if I do:
#(define-public (mus:set context property val)
* Julien Ricard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
It works ok, but the name of the instrument does not appears in the
output pdf file. Any suggestion?
I can't reproduce this. I've pasted the code from your email and run
lilypond (2.2.4) on it and the output was ok.
What is the platform/distribution
On Wed Jul 07, 2004 at 02:06:30PM +0200, Thomas Scharkowski wrote:
When I run make install I get the following error messages:
./out/feta11tfm does not exist.
make[1]:***[local-install-outfiles] Fehler 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/.../lilypond-2.2.3/mf'
make: *** [install] Fehler 2
* Cameron and Trudy Horsburgh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I've been wondering lately how other people organise their workflow, the
tools used, and how they actually go through the typesetting process.
Given the number of different platforms supported, I imagine this would
vary widely.
I
* Alex Young ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
necessarily the best for lilypond work. I'm trying out an ion setup
that has a nice, big preview pane on the left for the ps/pdf output,
and small panes for the editor and console on the right. It looks
and feels pretty smart, but I'm still learning
I forgot to mention that if you typeset long scores, it may be a good
idea to use variables. I use variables for each section, like
\sectiona \sectionb, etc. Them I can comment out the sections I don't
want to compile right now. I also use variables for each instrument,
so I can compile only
* Nick Busigin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Out of curiosity, what is ion ?
Ion is a X window manager modeled (sort of) after screen. Here is
it's webpage:
http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/
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Hi people,
In June I'll be presenting an one hour lecture on free software for
music and Linux as a platform for music and audio at the 5th
International Free Software Forum at Brazil
(http://www.softwarelivre.org/forum2004/). Of course I'll talk about
lilypond and I'd love to wear a lilypond
I told you, it's a test! :-)
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* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I should add that whenever you find a version that is solid enough you
might save the deb from your /var/cache/apt/archives so you can go back
to if something that you need breaks in the next version. I am
currently holding onto 2.1.14 until I am
* Ferenc Wagner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Does anybody find announcements like this actually useful?
Isn't apt-get update or similar enough? Shall I continue
spamming the list?
should we send the announcements to the info-lilypond list instead?
Pedro
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Again, Feri's deb installs a working version,
Could you try the new version in my website? (2.1.9-2)
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* Jan Nieuwenhuizen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
lilypond-bin was not complied using special pentium-foo gcc
optimisations, I hope?
err it was! I had optimisation flags in my .bashrc and forgot
about them. Needless to say, compiling lily without the pentium
optimisation flags solved the
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Could you try the new version in my website? (2.1.9-2)
Up and running! Thanks. What did you change?
guess what, pentium optimizations, like Jan suggested!
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Debian Sid packages (binary and sources) of Lilypond 2.1.9 are
available from my website:
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They're also apt-gettable adding the following line to sources.list:
deb http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
deb-src http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
And
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
To be truly honest, I haven't updated the packages dependencies
requirements. I'm going to do it ASAP, maybe that will help.
Thanks. Lets see what happens.
Could you update to 2.1.9 and see if that works?
Pedro
* Erik Sandberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
then probably the command `/usr/bin/lilypond-bin --version ' did fail, so you
could get a clue from running that command manually (so you would see stdout
and stderr). Note that it's lilypond-bin, not lilypond.
that's a good idea, plus, could you
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Pedro Kroger wrote:
* Erik Sandberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
then probably the command `/usr/bin/lilypond-bin --version ' did fail, so
you could get a clue from running that command manually (so you would see
stdout and stderr). Note
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
My system is now strictly unstable.
I was wrong. This is not an emacs problem.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/music/pima$ lilypond -V dy1r1.ly
lilypond (GNU LilyPond) 2.1.8
Opening pipe `/usr/bin/lilypond-bin --version 'lilypond: error:
Hi all,
Debian Sid packages (binary and sources) of Lilypond 2.1.8 are
available from my website:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
They're also apt-gettable adding the following line to sources.list:
deb http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
deb-src
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I certainly appreciate your effort here but your packages always break
my emacs setup and Ferenc's always work correctly. This is what emacs says:
cd /home/paul/music/pima/
lilypond /home/paul/music/pima/dy1r1.ly
lilypond (GNU
Ferenc,
* Ferenc Wagner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I noticed there is no lilypond.words.vim file to be found
anywhere. I also looked in the tar source for one but it
was not to be found.
It's a generated file in elisp/out, which was left out of
most
* Chip Zoller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I can assure you that no professional engraver will use something
that has to be engraved through a command line!
What about SCORE? It has been used by the largest publication houses
like Barenreiter, Universal Edition, Schott, Breitkopf Hartel,
G.
Hi all,
Debian Sid packages (binary and sources) of Lilypond 2.1.5 are
available from my website:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
They're also apt-gettable adding the following line to sources.list:
deb http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
deb-src
How do I get 2.1.3 under debian? The newest on the servers I'm using is
2.1.0... Alternatively is there an ugly (but working) patch this one
file or replace this one file way to fix the bracket pedal bug in 2.1.0?
If you are running debian unstable you may try my unofficial
packages for
* Atte André Jensen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Nice. Is this gonna be maintained in the future? Do you also keep things
that lily depends on (guile, tex and friends) there?
I'm planing to became a debian developer and maintain a official
package for the development branch of lilypond. AFAIK,
Debian Sid packages (binary and sources) of Lilypond 2.1.2 are
available from my website:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
They're also apt-gettable adding the following line to sources.list:
deb http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
deb-src http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
And
* Graham Percival ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Would anyone with talent for graphics be interested in making a
lilypond logo for shirts?
I like the cello girl graphic, although it might not be detailed enough
to use on a shirt. I'm not certain who created it, nor do I know what
the
Hi,
Would anyone with talent for graphics be interested in making a
lilypond logo for shirts?
I'd love to wear a lilypond shirt in conferences, install fests, etc.
Cheers,
Pedro
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deb http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
deb-src http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
And
* Aaron ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Since it is not a software project it must be different somehow, hmm,
just confused.
not really, cvs handles .ly files the exact same way of software
source code.
If anyone of list could help me with this I would most appreciate it.
I suggest you take a
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I've been using Feri's 2.0.0 for woody quite successfully. I did a
dist-upgrade and your packages were installed and now I'm getting the
same error as before. This from emacs but I get the same error invoking
lilypond directly:
lilypond -P
Debian Sid packages (binary and sources) of Lilypond 2.0.1 are
available from my website:
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They're also apt-gettable adding the following line to sources.list:
deb http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
deb-src http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
And
* Aaron ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Ok lets say cvs is the tool.
Is it also useful for working on a file together??
Indeed! The C in cvs stands for concurrent. It keeps track of all
modification made in a file. It even can show what
modifications where made by whom in a give time, for example,
Hi,
Why I get:
/tmp/repeat-volta.ly:14:39: warning: beam has less than two visible stems:
with the following code?
\score {
\notes \context Voice \relative c' {
\repeat tremolo 16 {e32\p ( c32)}
}
}
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How about having better support for chord tremolos when whole notes
are involved? In the example bellow, not only the beams in the first
measure should be placed bellow the noteheads, but they should be also
more inclined, like in the second measure. Any changes to see that in
2.1? :-)
\score {
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Pedro Kroger wrote:
Could you send your .ly file? I am running out if ideas of what it
could be, except the fact that maybe you have lilypond in two
different places.
I wouldn't be surprised since I have built several versions of DEB's
from CVS
Debian Sid packages of Lilypond 2.0.0 are available from my website:
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They're also apt-gettable adding the following line to sources.list:
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deb-src http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
And running the
* Ferenc Wagner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Debian Sid packages of Lilypond 1.9.8 are available from
my website:
Could you make the sources available, too?
Sorry, I couldn't make it for 1.9.8, but I did for 2.0. They are
already in my website
I will try to follow with Woody packages,
* Ferenc Wagner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
It would be nice to have debs of lilypond-unstable for
debian stable and testing
I gave that a go (see
http://afavant.elte.hu/~wferi/lilypond/index_orig.html) and
also tried to contact Anthony with some suggestions to make
this process easier,
Debian Sid packages of Lilypond 1.9.8 are available from my website:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
They're also apt-gettable adding the following line to sources.list:
deb http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
And running the commands:
apt-get update
apt-get install lilypond
(or
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Loading lilypond-mode (source)...
File mode specification error: (invalid-read-syntax #)
After reinstalling 1.8.1 from Debian unstable emacs works correctly.
Which version of Debian are you running? full unstable or mixed
unstable? Which version of
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Did you know there is now a Debian branch called experimental that
might be perfect for this?
No, I didn't. Where can I find info about it?
1.9.6 didn't solve my emacs problem but there may be another reason.
that's too bad. Check my another email
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I have cleaned up my .emacs and looked at all the documentation I can
find.and after installing Pedro's 1.9.6 debs I get the following when
loading an ly file into emacs
Loading lilypond-mode (source)...
File mode specification error:
Debian Sid packages of Lilypond 1.9.7 are available from my website:
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They're also apt-gettable adding the following line to sources.list:
deb http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
And running the commands:
apt-get update
apt-get install lilypond
(or
Debian Sid packages of Lilypond 1.9.6 are available from my website:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
They're also apt-gettable adding the following line to sources.list:
deb http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/ ./
And running the commands:
apt-get update
apt-get install lilypond
(or
* David Raleigh Arnold ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Try it, you'll like it. Could you put a textfile in your lilypond (for
download) directory showing the commands?
great info, thanks! I've put it in a file called readme.txt.
I'm all between distributions right now, but like every lilypond
Luise,
I just wanted to know if it is possible to make scores where some staff
lines are in smaller fonts than the others. It is very common in chamber
music with piano that the pianist scores also have the notes from the
other instruments, but smaller.
Try the tips and tricks document and
* Han-Wen Nienhuys ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does that suggest that Pedro's deb's install an incorrect
lilypond-mode.el and startup?
yep. Fixed in CVS.
thanks for that, it will save me some time in the next build :-)
Scott, could you wait until 1.9.6 or would
* Jan Nieuwenhuizen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Pedro Kroger writes:
Debian Sid packages of Lilypond 1.9.5 are available from my website:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
It's great that you're providing packages. Have you considered making
these apt-gettable (ie, run dpkg
* Jan Nieuwenhuizen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I don't see why not.
Because it will cost you some time and you should be willing to keep
it up for a while;
well, that's how development of free software works :-)
you'll probably need to be(come) a debian maintainer and do (or help
* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I have 1.8.1 installed from unstable. Adding your line to my
sources.list with apt-get install lilypond lilypond-doc I get:
lilypond is already the newest version.
lilypond-doc is already the newest version.
Have you run apt-get update ?
Pedro
I have 1.8.1 installed from unstable. Adding your line to my
sources.list with apt-get install lilypond lilypond-doc I get:
lilypond is already the newest version.
lilypond-doc is already the newest version.
Have you run apt-get update ?
Yes
how about apt-get install lilypond=1.9.5-1 ?
Debian Sid packages of Lilypond 1.9.5 are available from my website:
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Hi All,
could someone provide an example of \markup { \note } ?
I'd like to have a metronomic mark like 4 = 4.
Thanks,
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Graham,
could someone provide an example of \markup { \note } ?
I'd like to have a metronomic mark like 4 = 4.
Have you checked in input/test or input/regression ? I'm almost
certain that such an example exists already.
You are right (markup-note.ly). I've checked the manual but I
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Hi All,
Has anybody used a spreadsheet to typeset music with lily? Although I
really enjoy editors like emacs it seems to me that writing music in
rows (for staff lines) and columns (for measures) may a good
bet. The user could, for instance, select an entire measure of an
orchestral score (a
Debian Sid packages of Lilypond 1.8.0 are available from my website
for the impatient:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
And this time with full documentation, thanks to Anthony Fok who fixed
the debian script.
Please observe I no long keep packages of the 1.7 series on my
website.
oh boy, the new website is *so* cool!!
All the new information --- including the excellent essay on music
engraving and computer notation and the crash course --- is more
than welcome.
I'm wandering if a main item documentation in the website menu would
be useful. I don't mind having docs in
- At first, I didn't really get the idea of the navigation system.
It didn't feel obvious that the top line is the main menu and the
second line is the submenu within the choice made at the top line.
I don't have any good suggestion on how to improve it, though.
The navigation
- At first, I didn't really get the idea of the navigation system.
It didn't feel obvious that the top line is the main menu and the
second line is the submenu within the choice made at the top line.
I don't have any good suggestion on how to improve it, though.
The
Debian Sid package of Lilypond 1.7.29 is available from my website:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
Sorry, no docs yet :(
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instead to the list, sorry about that Han-Wen)
Is there a way to make a modal transposition? (not sure if modal is
the correct term)
Sure. Write a function that frobnicates the 'pitch of NoteEvents, and
\apply that to the
Hi,
I put a debian (Sid) package of the 1.7.28 release at:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
I'll upload a package with the documentation latter.
Cheers,
Pedro
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Hi,
I just uploaded the package with the documentation (1.7.28) in my website:
http://www.pedrokroeger.net/lilypond/
Pedro
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Hi All,
Is there a way to make a modal transposition? (not sure if modal is
the correct term)
I'd like to write something like
pattern = \notes {b c e f}
and then transpose \pattern a few times to get things like:
c d e g
d e f g
e f g a
and so on..
This sort of thing is very useful to
Graham,
Any advanced Lilypond users out there
Well, I'm not an advanced user but I'll give a try :))
1) add-staccato.ly: the staccatos don't get added. The make-music and
scm stuff needs to be fixed/updated. (hint: add-text-script.ly does
work; maybe that can help you with
Graham,
Any advanced Lilypond users out there
Well, I'm not an advanced user but I'll give a try :))
1) add-staccato.ly: the staccatos don't get added. The make-music and
scm stuff needs to be fixed/updated. (hint: add-text-script.ly does
work; maybe that can help you with
Graham,
Any advanced Lilypond users out there
Well, I'm not an advanced user but I'll give a try :))
1) add-staccato.ly: the staccatos don't get added. The make-music and
scm stuff needs to be fixed/updated. (hint: add-text-script.ly does
work; maybe that can help you with
For instance, I wasn't able to produce the equivalente to 16 1/16
notes, that is two whole notes with two beams (as is o = o) or the
equivalente to 32 1/16 notes (2 whole notes with 3 beams).
it should be
\repeat tremolo 8 { c16 d16 }
but I see now that there is a bug. I'll have a
Hi all,
I don't know if this question was asked before, but how about having a
syntax for slurs like \slur{ c d e f g a b } ? Anyway, I don't think
it has to replace the current syntax, but I think would be really nice
to code slurs in that way.
Thanks,
Pedro Kroger
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