Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-03-04 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: > As for demonstrations, you might be interested in the attachment. It > contains a small git repository (13 commits) with Lily sources of a > choir part from 3rd movement of Antonin Dvorak's Stabat Mater. [...] Apparently the attachment didn

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Urs Liska
Am 14.02.2013 18:05, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Hi all, On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Urs Liska wrote: I will soon pick up on that communication, and then I'll surely raise the engraving issue, showing them some of my 'raw' scores, Janek's beautiful final versions and maybe some exemplary git c

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Urs Liska
Am 14.02.2013 17:50, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: On 02/14/2013 05:32 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Maybe I'll get in touch with you before. I already intended to present the outline of the presentation here and ask for feedback - I think it's an issue that concerns many of us ... (The presentation

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/14/2013 05:32 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Maybe I'll get in touch with you before. I already intended to present the outline of the presentation here and ask for feedback - I think it's an issue that concerns many of us ... (The presentation is due at the end of April, so it will be some time stil

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Urs Liska
Am 14.02.2013 17:21, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: On 02/14/2013 04:44 PM, Urs Liska wrote: While it may not seem to be intuitive you can actually write extremely robust "house style" sheets (or rather libraries which I find much more reliable than any preset templates or whatever you could

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/14/2013 04:44 PM, Urs Liska wrote: While it may not seem to be intuitive you can actually write extremely robust "house style" sheets (or rather libraries which I find much more reliable than any preset templates or whatever you could use with WYSIWYG software. With the additional advantage

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Urs Liska
Am 14.02.2013 16:05, schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: On 02/14/2013 01:36 PM, David Kastrup wrote: a) a reliable and scaleable mechanism to make individual problems go away by manual labor. WYSIWYG systems offer that. I think that Frescobaldi tries offering a bit of that as well. The really

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/14/2013 04:17 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Uh, they fired the original developers and their team without much of a migration strategy. It is unlikely that substantial new developments are planned, or this would have been an economically stupid course. I'm not saying it was a smart thing to d

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 02/14/2013 01:36 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> a) a reliable and scaleable mechanism to make individual problems go >> away by manual labor. WYSIWYG systems offer that. I think that >> Frescobaldi tries offering a bit of that as well. > > The really simple way

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/14/2013 01:36 PM, David Kastrup wrote: a) a reliable and scaleable mechanism to make individual problems go away by manual labor. WYSIWYG systems offer that. I think that Frescobaldi tries offering a bit of that as well. The really simple way of putting this: "It needs to be as easy as

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Luca Rossetto Casel
Il 14/02/2013 13:36, David Kastrup ha scritto: For commercial viability, LilyPond is lacking two mechanisms: a) a reliable and scaleable mechanism to make individual problems go away by manual labor. WYSIWYG systems offer that. I think that Frescobaldi tries offering a bit of that as well. I

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/2/10 Joseph Rushton Wakeling : > On 02/10/2013 05:21 PM, Luca Rossetto Casel wrote: >> >> Another one, >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5uPPJj_M_o > > > Does anyone know anything about the computer engraving software shown in > this second video? I don't recognize it, but it's striking how

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread David Kastrup
Thomas Morley writes: > 2013/2/14 Wim van Dommelen : > >> I was a little upset when I read "they decided to disperse the >> collection", >> but it is true, I've contacted them and you can indeed buy a random plate, > > I seem to remember having heard that Henle now uses Sibelius. > If that's true

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/2/14 Wim van Dommelen : > I was a little upset when I read "they decided to disperse the collection", > but it is true, I've contacted them and you can indeed buy a random plate, I seem to remember having heard that Henle now uses Sibelius. If that's true, well, further Sibelius-development

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-14 Thread Wim van Dommelen
Indeed, inspiring. Remembers me of a museum in Kopenhagen (mmmhh, forgot the name) I once visited where they have a small exhibition of these tools. Impressing. I was a little upset when I read "they decided to disperse the collection", but it is true, I've contacted them and you can indeed

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-13 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/12/2013 08:41 PM, David Kastrup wrote: If you want different passages in music behave differently when included in a single \transpose command, that more or less means that they need to use different callbacks at least in some anchoring expressions (like we use a relative-callback for doing

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 02/12/2013 02:50 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: >>> What you actually want to see in a given passage is something like, >>> >>> { >>>\set Staff.transposition = #'chromatic >>>c'4 bf' gs' e'% any transposition applied t

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/12/2013 02:50 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: What you actually want to see in a given passage is something like, { \set Staff.transposition = #'chromatic c'4 bf' gs' e'% any transposition applied to this passage % will be chromatic

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: > you need to have a variety of rule sets (at least 2: chromatic and tonal), > you need to be able to switch arbitrarily between the two (e.g. some music > may have tonal parts and atonal parts). +1 I had encountered a piece that nee

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 02/12/2013 01:24 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: >> we have a snippet >> Documentation/snippets/transposing-pitches-with-minimum-accidentals-smart-transpose.ly > > The problem with this snippet is that it's conceived as a function > that "wraps" a given piece of musi

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/12/2013 01:24 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: we have a snippet Documentation/snippets/transposing-pitches-with-minimum-accidentals-smart-transpose.ly The problem with this snippet is that it's conceived as a function that "wraps" a given piece of music. But as I recall, if you put a transposi

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/12/2013 12:48 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Looks we are missing the proper command for this. With \pitchedTrill, transposition works. Yes, absolutely. A proper command would also help with the appearance -- as it stands getting the accidental placed just right over the trill sign is a bit

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling writes: > On 02/12/2013 03:05 AM, David Kastrup wrote: >> The advantage LilyPond has over the hand engraver is that it does not >> need to say "I don't make mistakes". The hand engraver puts down the >> staff lines, and short of throwing the plate(s) away and starting ove

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/12/2013 03:05 AM, David Kastrup wrote: The advantage LilyPond has over the hand engraver is that it does not need to say "I don't make mistakes". The hand engraver puts down the staff lines, and short of throwing the plate(s) away and starting over, the layout has to fit those lines, and t

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread Andrew Bernard
Truly inspiring to watch a master craftsman engraving. I too was astonished at the cutting of beams and stems without a rule, and the virtuoso slur engraving. When you consider slurs are thinner at the ends, there must a lessening of the graver pressure at the ends of the slur which is incredib

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread Urs Liska
Am 12.02.2013 10:17, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: Seeing him cutting stems and beams etc. freehand was incredible. And seeing him 'draw' a slur made me think of how many iterations with adjusted offsets *I* need to bring a slur to a form I'm happy with ... Well, he has drawn stems, beams, slurs, etc.

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Seeing him cutting stems and beams etc. freehand was incredible. > And seeing him 'draw' a slur made me think of how many iterations with > adjusted offsets *I* need to bring a slur to a form I'm happy with ... Well, he has drawn stems, beams, slurs, etc. beforehand with a pencil. Werner

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-12 Thread Urs Liska
Am 12.02.2013 03:05, schrieb David Kastrup: Janek Warchoł writes: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Urs Liska wrote: "Music Engraving on Metal Plates": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345o3Wu95Qo That's awesome! However, despite the fact that this man is truly skilled, there are some imperfe

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-11 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł writes: > On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Urs Liska wrote: >> "Music Engraving on Metal Plates": >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345o3Wu95Qo > > That's awesome! > However, despite the fact that this man is truly skilled, there are > some imperfections. For example http://youtu

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-11 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Urs Liska wrote: > "Music Engraving on Metal Plates": > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345o3Wu95Qo That's awesome! However, despite the fact that this man is truly skilled, there are some imperfections. For example http://youtu.be/345o3Wu95Qo?t=2m23s - the eight

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-11 Thread Urs Liska
riginal Message - From: "Phil Holmes" mailto:m...@philholmes.net>> To: "Vaughan McAlley" mailto:vaug...@mcalley.net.au>>, "lilypond-user" mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37:14 AM Subject: Re:

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-11 Thread Shane Brandes
oxidization. Shane On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:08 AM, bobr...@centrum.is wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: "Phil Holmes" > To: "Vaughan McAlley" , "lilypond-user" < > lilypond-user@gnu.org> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-11 Thread bobr...@centrum.is
- Original Message - From: "Phil Holmes" To: "Vaughan McAlley" , "lilypond-user" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:37:14 AM Subject: Re: A must-see for anybody on this list - Original Message - From: "Vaughan McAlley" To: "lily

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-11 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: "Vaughan McAlley" To: "lilypond-user" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 1:26 AM Subject: Re: A must-see for anybody on this list On 11 February 2013 10:23, Shane Brandes wrote: The hand engraving was amazing. I liked the "I do

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Vaughan McAlley
On 11 February 2013 10:23, Shane Brandes wrote: > >The hand engraving was amazing. I liked the "I don't make mistakes" quote. > > Shane I never thought much about how music used to be engraved, but when I did there were always more questions than answers. I’m surprised how close it was to w

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Chris Mear
On 10 February 2013 21:43, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > > Am 2013-02-10 um 21:18 schrieb bobr...@centrum.is: > >> I assumed SCORE, too, but this would imply Sibelius if that was Henle we >> were looking at in the second video: >> >> http://www.sibeliusblog.com/meta/henles-music-engraving-video/ >

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Shane Brandes
The hand engraving was amazing. It makes you wonder what sort of metal exactly the plates are. I liked the "I don't make mistakes" quote. Is it possible that program was an in house adaptation of Music Tex or one of the others? Shane On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrot

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2013-02-10 um 21:18 schrieb bobr...@centrum.is: > I assumed SCORE, too, but this would imply Sibelius if that was Henle we were > looking at in the second video: > > http://www.sibeliusblog.com/meta/henles-music-engraving-video/ > > Also, Sibelius keyboard input does bear a number of simila

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/10/2013 09:08 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: No it doesn’t ;-) I know it's _not_ Lilypond, but it does appear to share some similarities. It’s SCORE, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCORE_(software) Doesn't look like SCORE markup to me: http://www.ccarh.org/courses/253/handout/scorei

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread bobr...@centrum.is
Message - From: "Henning Hraban Ramm" To: "Joseph Rushton Wakeling" Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:08:54 PM Subject: Re: A must-see for anybody on this list Am 2013-02-10 um 19:29 schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: > On 02/10/2013 05:21 PM, Lu

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2013-02-10 um 19:29 schrieb Joseph Rushton Wakeling: > On 02/10/2013 05:21 PM, Luca Rossetto Casel wrote: >> Another one, >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5uPPJj_M_o > > Does anyone know anything about the computer engraving software shown in this > second video? I don't recognize it, but

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/10/2013 05:21 PM, Luca Rossetto Casel wrote: Another one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5uPPJj_M_o Does anyone know anything about the computer engraving software shown in this second video? I don't recognize it, but it's striking how similar it looks to Lilypond. _

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Luca Rossetto Casel
Il 10/02/2013 12:18, Urs Liska ha scritto: "Music Engraving on Metal Plates": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345o3Wu95Qo Another one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5uPPJj_M_o Luca -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread flup2
context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/A-must-see-for-anybody-on-this-list-tp140705p140710.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Federico Bruni
Wonderful video, very useful for lilypond translators. It was posted in this list some time ago, from Werner IIRC Urs Liska ha scritto: >"Music Engraving on Metal Plates": >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345o3Wu95Qo > >Astonishing! > >___ >lilypond-us

Re: A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread m...@mikesolomon.org
On 10 févr. 2013, at 12:18, Urs Liska wrote: > "Music Engraving on Metal Plates": > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345o3Wu95Qo > > Astonishing! > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilyp

A must-see for anybody on this list

2013-02-10 Thread Urs Liska
"Music Engraving on Metal Plates": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345o3Wu95Qo Astonishing! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user