Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Haven't been a fan of some of the posts in this email thread (not too keen on prescriptions for How. To. Compose. Music.) But this bit is damned fine. I developed an idea about the history of music when I was working on my PhD in Music Theory - there are two fundamental (note that - fundamental, t

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Pfft. Amateurs. Ahem: ". . . But later, an unmusical anarchy was led by poets who had natural talent, but were ignorant of the laws of music...Through foolishness they deceived themselves into thinking that there was no right or wrong way in music, that it was to be judged good or bad by the plea

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Am 26.03.2018 um 15:35 schrieb Karlin High: On 3/26/2018 8:21 AM, Urs Liska wrote: This is one of my favourite reviews of a first performance. [...] Bets are open what this is about ;-) Urs Bulk-paste into Google, and it looks like... http://www.raptusassociation.org/eroicagrezeptionsg

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

On 3/26/2018 8:35 AM, Urs Liska wrote: Well, that's cheating, isn't it? I prefer to think of it as "compensating for a lack of musical education." :) The first time I ever (knowingly) heard Beethoven was at age 15 when I borrowed a cassette tape of the Fifth Symphony from our local public

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Hi Urs, > "Others [the group of benevolent listeners] fear that, if he'd continue on > that track, it might end badly for the composer and the audience. The music > could soon reach a point where anybody who isn't intimately familiar with the > rules and intricacies of the art just won't get *a

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

On 3/26/2018 8:21 AM, Urs Liska wrote: This is one of my favourite reviews of a first performance. [...] Bets are open what this is about ;-) Urs Bulk-paste into Google, and it looks like... http://www.raptusassociation.org/eroicagrezeptionsgesch.html

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Am 26.03.2018 um 15:35 schrieb Karlin High: On 3/26/2018 8:21 AM, Urs Liska wrote: This is one of my favourite reviews of a first performance. [...] Bets are open what this is about ;-) Urs Bulk-paste into Google, and it looks like... http://www.raptusassociation.org/eroicagrezeptionsg

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Am 26.03.2018 um 15:32 schrieb Guy Stalnaker: This could have been written about Glass, Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Strauss, Puccini, Mahler, Bruckner, Tchaikovsky, Berlioz, Liszt, or Beethoven. 😀 That's the point of quoting it here ;-) I've cited it in programme notes for a series of concerts

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

On Mon 26 Mar 2018 at 15:21:57 (+0200), Urs Liska wrote: > > > Am 26.03.2018 um 14:52 schrieb Karlin High: > >On 3/25/2018 6:43 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > >>Apparently you haven’t been to any new classical music concerts > >>in the last half-century. It’s*quite* clear that many composers > >>—

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

This could have been written about Glass, Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Strauss, Puccini, Mahler, Bruckner, Tchaikovsky, Berlioz, Liszt, or Beethoven. 😀 On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 8:22 AM Urs Liska wrote: > > > Am 26.03.2018 um 14:52 schrieb Karlin High: > > On 3/25/2018 6:43 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: >

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Am 26.03.2018 um 14:52 schrieb Karlin High: On 3/25/2018 6:43 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Apparently you haven’t been to any new classical music concerts in the last half-century. It’s*quite* clear that many composers — especially inexperienced ones — have no problem composing dissonant piec

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

On 3/25/2018 6:43 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Apparently you haven’t been to any new classical music concerts in the last half-century. It’s*quite* clear that many composers — especially inexperienced ones — have no problem composing dissonant pieces without access to the the actual timbre an

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> I think it's likely rather hard to compose dissonant pieces without >> access to the actual timbre (and thus overtone composition) used for >> playing it. > > Apparently you haven’t been to any new classical music concerts in the > last half-century. It’s

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

>> I think it's likely rather hard to compose dissonant pieces without >> access to the actual timbre (and thus overtone composition) used >> for playing it. > > Apparently you haven’t been to any new classical music concerts in > the last half-century. It’s *quite* clear that many composers — >

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Hi David, > I think it's likely rather hard to compose dissonant pieces without > access to the actual timbre (and thus overtone composition) used for > playing it. Apparently you haven’t been to any new classical music concerts in the last half-century. It’s *quite* clear that many composers —

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Vaughan McAlley writes: > Lilypond, a piano, a good inner ear (which I’m lucky to have), or whatever > the kids are using these days are all just tools. I’d be wrong to say a > piece of mine is superior to *The Rite of Spring* because Stravinsky worked > it all out on a piano and I use my inner e

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Hi Vaughan (et al.), > I’d be wrong to say a piece of mine is superior to The Rite of Spring because > Stravinsky worked it all out on a piano and I use my inner ear. Preach! Best, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email:

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

One of my professors suggested sketching a piece on a 4 staff system when composing/orchestrating. I did try doing this in lilypond with the idea that snippets and phrases from each staff would be stored as variables which could then be used in the full score. So sort of working backward from a red

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

do it for you. Your procedural memory needs to be trained. On Fri, 23 Mar 2018, 21:42 Flaming Hakama by Elaine, < ela...@flaminghakama.com> wrote: > >>> From: Tom Cloyd >> To: Frauke Jurgensen >> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 13:24:48 -0700 >> Subject: Re: Is lilyp

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 6:03 AM, Vaughan McAlley wrote: If it isn’t hard, you can probably do better. +1 >From my own (admittedly pretty out-there) view on how and what one composes, I can also say that *not* having immediate acoustic feedback of the work you're doing also serves a benefit. Tw

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

" If it isn’t hard, you can probably do better." - Love that. I'd say the same about writing, of which I do a lot. It's easier than it was, but still hard, if it's to be really good. But...let's not tell Rossini that, OK? His work alone disputes the notion, even if he might not. I don't know of an

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

On 24 March 2018 at 11:25, Flaming Hakama by Elaine < ela...@flaminghakama.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Tom Cloyd wrote: > >> Hogwash? Well, not really. Your point about what is possible is fine. I >> don't disagree. But my point remains, and my error was in not making it >> c

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

ate: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 13:24:48 -0700 >> Subject: Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing? > > >> 100% in agreement. Developing that inner ear is immeasurably valuable, >> but it takes effort, and that effort is made only when there's motivation. >> Having only on

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Tom Cloyd wrote: > Hogwash? Well, not really. Your point about what is possible is fine. I > don't disagree. But my point remains, and my error was in not making it > clear enough. I'll try again. > > It has to do with cognitive load and the concept of "limited at

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

00717450> | Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/groups/645665272216298/> ~ On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine < ela...@flaminghakama.com> wrote: > >>> From: Tom Cloyd >> To: Frauke Jurgensen >

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

Hi David, >> 100% in agreement. Developing that inner ear is immeasurably valuable, but >> it takes effort, and that effort is made only when there's motivation. >> Having only oneself to rely on provides the context for that motivation. >> (HA! Can you guess MY occupation?) > > I call hogwash

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

> > >> From: Tom Cloyd > To: Frauke Jurgensen > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 13:24:48 -0700 > Subject: Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing? > 100% in agreement. Developing that inner ear is immeasurably valuable, but > it takes effort, and that effort is made o

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

100% in agreement. Developing that inner ear is immeasurably valuable, but it takes effort, and that effort is made only when there's motivation. Having only oneself to rely on provides the context for that motivation. (HA! Can you guess MY occupation?) t.

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

I would agree with those who counsel paper and pencil for the compositional process itself. I would also argue that developing the link between notation and your inner ear is extremely helpful if you're going to use notation, and that software with playback features can be counterproductive in gett

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

I as a singer/songwriter with limited notational skills also use pen and staff paper for the first draft(s) but then need a tool that lets me hear if I got the rhythm right. (Even if that’s always a matter of interpretation and may change in every verse.) And as a quality aware typesetter and a

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

I have always found that nothing beats plain pencil and sheets of staff paper, until I have the basic piece fairly complete. For me, it's clearly faster to make even a second draft on paper than to move at that point to LP and continue from there. I consider fast "hand writing" on staff paper to be

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018, 08:08 Nathan Sprangers, wrote: > I've been using lilypond for a much shorter time, but my impression is > that lilypond excels when you know exactly what you want to input. It's > also difficult to work on different parts of the score unless you set up > some sort of system t

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

I've been using lilypond for a much shorter time, but my impression is that lilypond excels when you know exactly what you want to input. It's also difficult to work on different parts of the score unless you set up some sort of system to break the piece into smaller chunks. So I've been doing mor

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

-- Forwarded message -- > From: Jonas Daverio > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Subject: Is lilypond suitable for big composition projects? > That may seem like a stupid question, but I've been using LilyPond with > Frescobaldi for a year and a half, but I start to ask myself if it i

Re: Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 08:08 -0700, jtruc34 wrote: > That may seem like a stupid question, but I've been using LilyPond > with > Frescobaldi for a year and a half, but I start to ask myself if it is > as > efficient as if I had used another tool like Musescore. > > I explain: I don't have at all a

Is lilypond really suitable for composing?

That may seem like a stupid question, but I've been using LilyPond with Frescobaldi for a year and a half, but I start to ask myself if it is as efficient as if I had used another tool like Musescore. I explain: I don't have at all a powerful computer, and I think that an essential feature that I