Re: Moving a single note (optical spacing once more)

2015-12-09 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Urs, > It is surprising that LilyPond makes it that hard to move a > single note that doesn't have any dependencies … Is this maybe a case where #'extra-offset is your [current] best option? Of course, I don’t love it… but I don’t shy away from using it [via the edition-engraver] when

Re: Moving a single note (optical spacing once more)

2015-12-09 Thread Urs Liska
Am 09.12.2015 um 20:37 schrieb Simon Albrecht: > On 09.12.2015 17:07, Kieren MacMillan wrote: >> Hi Urs, >> >>> It is surprising that LilyPond makes it that hard to move a >>> single note that doesn't have any dependencies … >> Is this maybe a case where #'extra-offset is your [current] best

Re: Moving a single note (optical spacing once more)

2015-12-09 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 09.12.2015 17:07, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Urs, It is surprising that LilyPond makes it that hard to move a single note that doesn't have any dependencies … Is this maybe a case where #'extra-offset is your [current] best option? It’s possible to wrap into a music function to deal with

Re: Moving a single note (optical spacing once more)

2015-12-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
"Urs Liska" wrote Friday, December 04, 2015 10:59 AM > Am 04.12.2015 um 11:54 schrieb Trevor Daniels: >> \once ] \override Arpeggio.minimum-X-extent =#'(-1 . 0) > > This creates additional space by moving the Arpeggio to the right. But I > want the fourth note e' to move to the left because

Re: Moving a single note (optical spacing once more)

2015-12-04 Thread Urs Liska
Am 04.12.2015 um 11:54 schrieb Trevor Daniels: > \once ] \override Arpeggio.minimum-X-extent =#'(-1 . 0) This creates additional space by moving the Arpeggio to the right. But I want the fourth note e' to move to the left because the intention is to keep the regularity of the left hand intact.

Re: Moving a single note (optical spacing once more)

2015-12-04 Thread Trevor Daniels
Urs Liska wrote Friday, December 04, 2015 10:23 AM > As discussed recently (starting here: > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2015-11/msg00054.html) > LilyPond's optical spacing can have side-effects. If you consider the > first attachment you can see that the quavers of the left

Re: Moving a single note (optical spacing once more)

2015-12-04 Thread Urs Liska
Am 04.12.2015 um 11:23 schrieb Urs Liska: > How could I achieve what I need? And for experimenting, here's the code % \version "2.19.32" music = { \new PianoStaff << \new Staff { c'16 e' % place this override before the a' or the e' to experiment

Moving a single note (optical spacing once more)

2015-12-04 Thread Urs Liska
As discussed recently (starting here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-lilypond/2015-11/msg00054.html) LilyPond's optical spacing can have side-effects. If you consider the first attachment you can see that the quavers of the left hand are spaced irregularly because LilyPond moves the fourth

Re: Moving a single note (optical spacing once more)

2015-12-04 Thread Urs Liska
Am 04.12.2015 um 12:12 schrieb Trevor Daniels: > "Urs Liska" wrote Friday, December 04, 2015 10:59 AM > >> Am 04.12.2015 um 11:54 schrieb Trevor Daniels: >>> \once ] \override Arpeggio.minimum-X-extent =#'(-1 . 0) >> This creates additional space by moving the Arpeggio to the right. But I >>

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-11 Thread David Nalesnik
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:09 AM, Abraham Lee tisi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:39 AM, James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com wrote: Something I've been wondering about for awhile... lilypond.org boasts of optical spacing for notes with alternating up and down stems, but it

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-11 Thread Abraham Lee
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:09 AM, David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 5:09 AM, Abraham Lee tisi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:39 AM, James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com wrote: Something I've been wondering about for awhile... lilypond.org

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Abraham Lee tisi...@gmail.com writes: Equally spaced stems do look nice with groupings that change staff constantly, however. I remember that SCORE had a feature that enabled this. I've often thought that LilyPond should have this option, but haven't studied the problem enough to know how

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-11 Thread Abraham Lee
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Abraham Lee tisi...@gmail.com writes: Equally spaced stems do look nice with groupings that change staff constantly, however. I remember that SCORE had a feature that enabled this. I've often thought that LilyPond should

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-11 Thread Brian Barker
At 16:07 11/07/2014 +0006, Abraham Lee wrote: Maybe just me, but I don't really like the look of that. I see the stems are equidistant, but, at least to me, I feel like it's not balanced and it makes the notehead spacing a little awkward... I'd still rather see the default behavior. But we all

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-11 Thread David Nalesnik
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 16:07 11/07/2014 +0006, Abraham Lee wrote: Maybe just me, but I don't really like the look of that. I see the stems are equidistant, but, at least to me, I feel like it's not balanced and it makes the notehead

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-11 Thread David Nalesnik
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:18 PM, David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 16:07 11/07/2014 +0006, Abraham Lee wrote: Maybe just me, but I don't really like the look of that. I see the stems are

Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread James Harkins
Something I've been wondering about for awhile... lilypond.org boasts of optical spacing for notes with alternating up and down stems, but it seems this feature has been lost somewhere (or disabled by default). In this example, it's quite plain to my eyes that the stems are not equally spaced

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.07.2014 11:39, schrieb James Harkins: \version 2.18.2 \relative c'' { e4 c, f' d, g' e, a' f, } Hm, there have been quite significant improvements in the horizontal spacing engine recently. Can it be that this is a side-effect of this? --

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread Noeck
Am 10.07.2014 11:42, schrieb Urs Liska: Am 10.07.2014 11:39, schrieb James Harkins: \version 2.18.2 \relative c'' { e4 c, f' d, g' e, a' f, } Hm, there have been quite significant improvements in the horizontal spacing engine recently. Can it be that this is a side-effect of this? It

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread David Kastrup
Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de writes: Am 10.07.2014 11:42, schrieb Urs Liska: Am 10.07.2014 11:39, schrieb James Harkins: \version 2.18.2 \relative c'' { e4 c, f' d, g' e, a' f, } Hm, there have been quite significant improvements in the horizontal spacing engine recently. Can it be that

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: If I write \relative c'' { e4 c, f' d, g' e, a' f, } % \addlyrics { ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! } Obviously, remove the % character for that experiment... -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread Noeck
Am 10.07.2014 14:50, schrieb David Kastrup: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: If I write \relative c'' { e4 c, f' d, g' e, a' f, } % \addlyrics { ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! } Obviously, remove the % character for that experiment... That is quite convincing. So I guess the default spacing is

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread Mark Knoop
At 15:15 on 10 Jul 2014, Noeck wrote: Am 10.07.2014 14:50, schrieb David Kastrup: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: If I write \relative c'' { e4 c, f' d, g' e, a' f, } % \addlyrics { ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! } Obviously, remove the % character for that experiment... That is quite convincing.

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Knoop m...@opus11.net writes: At 15:15 on 10 Jul 2014, Noeck wrote: Am 10.07.2014 14:50, schrieb David Kastrup: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: If I write \relative c'' { e4 c, f' d, g' e, a' f, } % \addlyrics { ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! } Obviously, remove the % character for that

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, 2014-07-10 15:15 GMT+02:00 Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de: So I guess the default spacing is now a bit thighter compared to http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.14/Documentation/essay/engraving-details#optical-spacing Nope - the difference is because you're comparing different examples. Example in Essay

Re: Optical spacing -- no more?

2014-07-10 Thread Abraham Lee
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:39 AM, James Harkins jamshar...@gmail.com wrote: Something I've been wondering about for awhile... lilypond.org boasts of optical spacing for notes with alternating up and down stems, but it seems this feature has been lost somewhere (or disabled by default). In this