Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-28 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Henkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Mats Bengtsson mats.bengtsson at ee.kth.se writes: You are mistaken. ASCII only defines character codes up to 127, see for example http://www.asciitable.com/. What your table shows is probably Latin1 (ISO 8859-1).

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-26 Thread Werner LEMBERG
well it was an approximation (due to the previously mentionned lack of vocabulary) Do you mean that your English isn't sufficient to describe the things correctly or that the issue itself is difficult to describe? ISO 2022 (as well as SHIFT-JIS and other japaneses encoding of the same type)

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-26 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Ok ;-) Please do a replace-all for non-ascii to accented and special :-) Bert Go ahead: http://lilypond.org/web/devel/participating/documentation-adding - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-26 Thread René Bastian
Hello, I began with lilypond (2.11.12) last sunday (21.01.07) and I also had some trouble with accents à la française and deutsche Umlaute. On Linux : (x)emacs was too difficult (for me) to configure utf-8 output, [xemacs it is the editor whose short cuts I know the best] but it is easy to

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-26 Thread Bertalan Fodor
You could also try jEdit (http://www.jedit.org). It doesn't need configuration, and has the LilyPondTool plugin (installable from Plugin Manager) There is also an emacs emulation package for jEdit: http://www.clapper.org/software/jedit/ if you'd like to get the same shortcuts. Bert

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-26 Thread Mats Bengtsson
On Linux, the easiest way to get UTF-8 output in xemacs is to simply start it from a shell where you have specified the locale using export LANG en_GB.utf-8 (or 'setenv LANG en_GB.utf-8' if you use (t)csh). Of course, for you living in France, you may want fr_FR.utf8 instead of en_GB.utf-8.

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-26 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bertalan Fodor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Because most accented European characters can not be accessed within ascii My ascii table shows all French, Norwegian, Danish characters as well as most spanish, and german (can't profess to be an expert there) see

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-26 Thread Jonathan Henkelman
Mats Bengtsson mats.bengtsson at ee.kth.se writes: You are mistaken. ASCII only defines character codes up to 127, see for example http://www.asciitable.com/. What your table shows is probably Latin1 (ISO 8859-1). /Mats Mats: FYI I am using an ascii table in my little black pocket

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-26 Thread David Rogers
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:31:24 + (UTC), Jonathan Henkelman wrote: On my machine I can write a single ascii text document (using the full table) that is in german, spanish, danish, norwegian, french, english. Jonathan - the whole point of what he was just telling you is that what you're

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread Jonathan Henkelman
David Gippner davidgippner at googlemail.com writes: I've got problems with german umlauts in Lilypond 2.11.13-1. Wherever there is one, I just get blanks. Would something like: \markup { \override #'(word-space . 0) \line {(f \char #252 r 1 oder 2 Manuale)} } solve your problem. BTW I

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread Bertalan Fodor
BTW I don't understand all this unicode business. Most european characters can be accessed within ascii. Why should we have to go to unicode to get them? Because most accented European characters can not be accessed within ascii :-) It greatly simplifies things, you know that everything

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Jonathan Henkelman wrote: BTW I don't understand all this unicode business. Most european characters can be accessed within ascii. Why should we have to go to unicode to get them? If you search the mailing list archives from the time before we introduced unicode support, you will be

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread Jonathan Henkelman
Mats Bengtsson mats.bengtsson at ee.kth.se writes: If you search the mailing list archives from the time before we introduced unicode support, you will be surprised how many questions there are related to Russian or Hebrew or Mandarin or ... /Mats It wasn't intended to be a stupid

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread Mats Bengtsson
You are mistaken. ASCII only defines character codes up to 127, see for example http://www.asciitable.com/. What your table shows is probably Latin1 (ISO 8859-1). /Mats Quoting Jonathan Henkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mats Bengtsson mats.bengtsson at ee.kth.se writes: If you search the

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Because most accented European characters can not be accessed within ascii My ascii table shows all French, Norwegian, Danish characters as well as most spanish, and german (can't profess to be an expert there) see characters 191- 255 (xBF - xff). Are these accessable in a non-unicode

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread yota moteuchi
Well, since charsets issue is my hobby ... I can write a short explanation (try to... my shortage of english vocabulary could be an issue) After having defined a 128 character table (0 -127 on 8 bits, well one zero + 7bits) covering only the English characters and some signs, called the ASCII

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
After having defined a 128 character table (0 -127 on 8 bits, well one zero + 7bits) covering only the English characters and some signs, called the ASCII table; has been defined many extended tables using the 128 - 255 range to store some regional character. There are around 10 extended

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Actually, there are much more. If I'm not mistaken, the ISO 2022 registry has designed IDs to over 100 different 8bit character sets! `assigned', of course. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread yota moteuchi
well it was an approximation (due to the previously mentionned lack of vocabulary) ISO 2022 (as well as SHIFT-JIS and other japaneses encoding of the same type) use indeed artificial 8bit characters. The 0-127 range is always almost compatible with ASCII and there is 2 escaping character which

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-25 Thread Graham Percival
Bertalan Fodor wrote: Because most accented European characters can not be accessed within ascii My ascii table shows all French, Norwegian, Danish characters as well as most spanish, and german (can't profess to be an expert there) see characters 191- 255 (xBF - xff). Are these

Re: Re: Problems with german umlauts

2007-01-24 Thread David Gippner
No, it is not. Is there another possibility than just encode the whole thing as UTF-8? Yours, David Gippner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Problems with german umlauts

2007-01-24 Thread Mats Bengtsson
It's nothing difficult, just a matter of telling your text editor to save the file using UTF-8 encoding. If you cannot figure it out yourself, just send a question to the mailing list, telling what text editor you are using. /Mats David Gippner wrote: No, it is not. Is there another

Re: Problems with german umlauts

2007-01-24 Thread David Gippner
When using any convert option of WinEdt with UTF-8, the File cannot be compiled and is corrupted. Yours, David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Problems with german umlauts

2007-01-24 Thread Simon Dahlbacka
then you should go shopping for a better editor IMO /S On 1/24/07, David Gippner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When using any convert option of WinEdt with UTF-8, the File cannot be compiled and is corrupted. Yours, David ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Problems with german umlauts

2007-01-24 Thread uunail
/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/problems-with-german-umlauts-tf3065236.html#a8571510 Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Problems with german umlauts

2007-01-24 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Now a good version of LilyPondTool is released in the Plugin Manager of jEdit, so you can safely install from there. So just download jEdit 4.3pre9 (http://www.jedit.org - get the latest development version), go to Plugin Manager Install LilyPondTool. Check the Plugin options after install

problems with german umlauts

2007-01-23 Thread David Gippner
Dear list, I've got problems with german umlauts in Lilypond 2.11.13-1. Wherever there is one, I just get blanks. What can I do against that? Yours sincerely David Gippner P.S.: If this is useful, I can provide a PDF of what I mean. Requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] please

Re: problems with german umlauts

2007-01-23 Thread uunail
Is your .ly file UTF-8 encoded? Uwe Nagel David Gippner wrote: Dear list, I've got problems with german umlauts in Lilypond 2.11.13-1. Wherever there is one, I just get blanks. What can I do against that? Yours sincerely David Gippner P.S.: If this is useful, I can provide