Exactly the point I made. So I agree.
Perhaps add some place for policy and guidelines and mailing list FAQs o
be made clear also. I think this info would be worthy of its own page.
Andrew
On 23/02/2023 9:50 pm, Valentin Petzel wrote:
Hi Jean,
I still think it would be a good idea to
Le jeudi 23 février 2023 à 11:50 +0100, Valentin Petzel a écrit :
> Hi Jean,
> I still think it would be a good idea to reword
>
> [https://lilypond.org/contact.html](https://lilypond.org/contact.html)
>
> to make it clear that subscription is wanted.
Yes, I think is an excellent suggestion.
Hi Jean,
I still think it would be a good idea to reword
https://lilypond.org/contact.html
to make it clear that subscription is wanted.
Cheers,
Valentin
Am Mittwoch, 22. Februar 2023, 23:24:18 CET schrieb Jean Abou Samra:
> Le mardi 21 février 2023 à 23:36 +0100, Jean Abou Samra a écrit :
> >
On 2023-02-22 16:39, Kenneth Wolcott wrote:
Hi Jean;
I've been following this thread for some while. I really applaud
your intentions and efforts with regards to this mailing list
management; your dedication is impressive and appreciated.
Hear, hear!
Colin
Hi Jean;
I've been following this thread for some while. I really applaud
your intentions and efforts with regards to this mailing list
management; your dedication is impressive and appreciated.
Ken Wolcott
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 2:25 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote:
>
> Le mardi 21 février 2023
Le mardi 21 février 2023 à 23:36 +0100, Jean Abou Samra a écrit :
> Hi,
> I've not been an admin of this list for very long, yet I'm already weary of
> telling people who post without being subscribed to the list that they should
> subscribe in order to avoid each of their messages being
On 22/02/2023 06:05, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
And joining is actually pretty serious friction for some people - the
more lists I join, the more likely I am to abandon attempts to help if
I'm required to register.
I second that concern. Being the maintainer of the FreeType mailing
lists, I face
Jeff Kopmanis writes:
> I'm with you, Kevin. "mass abandonment of critical thinking skills and
> common sense", is right on target.
>
> I'm an IT professional, and I can completely sympathize and appreciate
> all that Jean deals with. Thank You, ALL, for your largely thankless
> efforts. You
Kevin Cole writes:
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 6:21 PM Andrew Bernard
> wrote:
>
>> Dear me, mailing lists have been around for half as century or more. If
>> people do not understand that it is normal to subscribe to a list to
>> participate there's something wrong.
>
> This was my reaction as
Le mercredi 22 février 2023 à 12:14 +, Mark Knoop a écrit :
>
> At 12:34 on 22 Feb 2023, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> > So you want to keep the possibility to post while not being
> > subscribed, but make the messages that I'm manually sending now be
> > sent automatically?
>
>
>
> > At first,
I'm with you, Kevin. "mass abandonment of critical thinking skills and
common sense", is right on target.
I'm an IT professional, and I can completely sympathize and appreciate all
that Jean deals with. Thank You, ALL, for your largely thankless efforts.
You provide such a valuable service to
On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 6:21 PM Andrew Bernard
wrote:
> Dear me, mailing lists have been around for half as century or more. If
> people do not understand that it is normal to subscribe to a list to
> participate there's something wrong.
This was my reaction as well. I think I'm finally "old",
Hi,
Am 22.02.23 um 12:45 schrieb Andrew Bernard:
Most employed people who work use email daily and countless people
understand folders and filters.
Well... I cordially invite you to come visit us and marvel at what one
encounters when working in a thoroughly non-technical environment like,
At 12:34 on 22 Feb 2023, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
>> I've said this already, and I'm happy to say this again: To me, the
>> LilyPond community is likely the most friendly, helpful place I've
>> ever encountered on "the internet". We shouldn't erect too high a
>> barrier to entering it, and for
Oh come now people. :-) Gen XYZ people have to register to use Discord,
and Facebook, and Reddit, and Twitter, almost all Discourse forums and
more. Most employed people who work use email daily and countless people
understand folders and filters. So email interfaces can't be unfamiliar
to
Le mercredi 22 février 2023 à 11:38 +0100, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit :
> I'm a bit late to the party, but nevertheless: I think I'm with Wol and
> Werner (and David K.?) here.
Replying after 12 hours is not late to the party :-)
> Of course, considering the unbelievable number of things
Hi Jean,
I've not been an admin of this list for very long, yet I'm already
weary of telling people who post without being subscribed to the list
that they should subscribe in order to avoid each of their messages
being manually approved. I wonder what you (meaning everyone, but
especially
Hello Andrew,
mailing lists have, but not all people have, and even if they have they do not
necessarily have experience with mailing lists. Many people have (if at all)
experiences with internet forums and recently with chat groups such as
Discord.
If a random person is looking for some help
FWIW, I'm quite happy with that wording.
On 2023-02-21 22:36, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
Hi,
I've not been an admin of this list for very long, yet I'm already
weary of telling people who post without being subscribed to the list
that they should subscribe in order to avoid each of their
At 23:36 on 21 Feb 2023, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> Hi,
> I've not been an admin of this list for very long, yet I'm already
> weary of telling people who post without being subscribed to the list
> that they should subscribe in order to avoid each of their messages
> being manually approved. I
> And joining is actually pretty serious friction for some people - the
> more lists I join, the more likely I am to abandon attempts to help if
> I'm required to register.
I second that concern. Being the maintainer of the FreeType mailing
lists, I face exactly the same problem. Usually, I
Wording is perfect.
Andrew
On 22/02/2023 9:36 am, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
“Welcome to the lilypond-user mailing list. We apologize, but in order
to prevent spam, we need you to subscribe to the list before you post.
Please fill out the subscription form on
On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 7:57 PM Ralph Palmer
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 2:37 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> “Welcome to the lilypond-user mailing list. We apologize, but in order to
>> prevent spam, we need you to subscribe to the list before you post. Please
>> fill out
On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 2:37 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> “Welcome to the lilypond-user mailing list. We apologize, but in order to
> prevent spam, we need you to subscribe to the list before you post. Please
> fill out the subscription form on
>
Hi Wols,
After my post I was just waiting for you to chime in with that. :-) :-)
As to friction, I think it's just that most people are just simply
unaware, rather than having ideological issues (the latter is _not_
directed at you).
All the best from Down Under!
Andrew Bernard
On
On 21/02/2023 23:20, Andrew Bernard wrote:
[Of course the moment I post people will provide proof of lists that do
not need joining, but seriously, most lists do. Also, services such as
Reddit require registration. It's a very basic concept.]
:-) I believe pretty much all kernel.org lists
I think this is a good idea, and I would pick either silently rejecting
unsubscribed messages or automatically replying with the message that
Jean wrote (both options would happen automatically with no admin input
to be clear). Even though mailing lists have been around for a long
time, as
Le mardi 21 février 2023 à 23:54 +0100, David Kastrup a écrit :
> Maybe it's possible to prepare a stock message that you just need to
> checkmark? That would go a long way towards being less weary. A
> different tradeoff.
Personally, I'm a bit uneasy with sending canned responses as
if
Dear me, mailing lists have been around for half as century or more. If
people do not understand that it is normal to subscribe to a list to
participate there's something wrong. Just reject the posts. That's very
standard, and that is why the list software supports that option. Jean
you
Jean Abou Samra writes:
> Hi,
>
> I've not been an admin of this list for very long, yet I'm already
> weary of telling people who post without being subscribed to the list
> that they should subscribe in order to avoid each of their messages
> being manually approved.
Maybe it's possible to
Le mardi 21 février 2023 à 14:46 -0800, Mark Stephen Mrotek a écrit :
> Jean Abou Samra,
>
> Why am I mentioned in your e-mail?
> Thank you for your kind attention.
You're not :-) The Mark being mentioned is Mark Knoop.
Best,
Jean
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That's a common sense approach. And your auto-reply is very courteous.
dB
On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 5:37 PM Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've not been an admin of this list for very long, yet I'm already weary
> of telling people who post without being subscribed to the list that they
> should
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