Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2014-07-23 Thread tisimst
Keith OHara wrote Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemmerle at web.de writes: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit unfinished) versions of the LilyJAZZ music and LilyJAZZ Text font plus the corresponding LilyJAZZ.ily include. The main obstacle is the rigid way Lilypond

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2014-07-23 Thread Urs Liska
Am 23.07.2014 23:08, schrieb tisimst: BTW, I've tried contacting Torsten again to see if he has a licensing preference for LilyJAZZ and LilyJAZZText (OFL, GPL, or whatever). Waiting to hear back now, though based on others' comments, he may be out of reach since last year. Yes, that seems to

Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-06-21 Thread Keith OHara
Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemmerle at web.de writes: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit unfinished) versions of the LilyJAZZ music and LilyJAZZ Text font plus the corresponding LilyJAZZ.ily include. The main obstacle is the rigid way Lilypond handles its (her, his?)

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-20 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 14 March 2013 11:36, Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de wrote: Hello all, I've just noticed the my last mail didn't get through to the list for some reason. Well, here it is again in a second attempt: In the first place: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-19 Thread Denis Bitouzé
Le jeudi 14/03/13 à 11h36, Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de a écrit : here it is again in a second attempt:In the first place: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit unfinished) versions of the LilyJAZZ music and LilyJAZZ Text font plus the corresponding LilyJAZZ.ily

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-19 Thread Tim McNamara
There are a couple of peculiar side effects. I find that using this turns off the bar count engraver and it also defeats \improvisationOn resulting in regular notes instead of parallelogram note heads. The easy workaround is to use \jazzOff before \improvisationOn. The appearance of the

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-17 Thread Johan Vromans
Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.net writes: No, the look of a font isn’t copyrighted, but the name is sometimes a trademark - that’s why a lot of lookalikes exist whose names point to the original, like Zurich or Swiss for Helvetica.

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-16 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2013-03-16 um 00:29 schrieb Martin Tarenskeen: Am 2013-03-15 um 10:06 schrieb TaoCG: This is all very interesting, I'd love to have a jazz style font in LilyPond, though I don't particularly like the Sigler Jazz font. I much prefer their Swing font. I was still wondering if there

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-16 Thread Johan Vromans
Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.net writes: But some even use (more or less) the same metrics, like URW Nimbus Sans [...] Using the same metrics is on purpose, so the font can be used as a free drop-in replacement for the original but copyrighted font. -- Johan

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-15 Thread Robert Schmaus
Hi Torsten, first of all: This looks just amazing! Thanks for sharing it! Even though I like LilyPond's original typesetting a lot, I noticed that sheets get more difficult to read in certain lighting conditions (I assume you are a jazz musician as well and know what I mean ...). Especially for

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-15 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2013-03-15 um 10:06 schrieb TaoCG: This is all very interesting, I'd love to have a jazz style font in LilyPond, though I don't particularly like the Sigler Jazz font. I much prefer their Swing font. I was still wondering if there won't be any license issues if the font is redrawn

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-15 Thread Tim McNamara
On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de wrote: Hi Torsten, first of all: This looks just amazing! Thanks for sharing it! Even though I like LilyPond's original typesetting a lot, I noticed that sheets get more difficult to read in certain lighting conditions (I

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-15 Thread Urs Liska
Am 15.03.2013 16:38, schrieb Tim McNamara: On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de wrote: Hi Torsten, first of all: This looks just amazing! Thanks for sharing it! Even though I like LilyPond's original typesetting a lot, I noticed that sheets get more difficult to

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-15 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, On 2013-Mar-15, at 11:42, Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de wrote: AFAIK the only way (except creating a pango-font-ree) is to redefine booktitlemarkup and/or scoretitlemarkup from scratch to be able to access the font settings for these items (as \markups) Um… doesn't everyone do this

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-15 Thread Urs Liska
Am 15.03.2013 16:49, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi all, On 2013-Mar-15, at 11:42, Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de wrote: AFAIK the only way (except creating a pango-font-ree) is to redefine booktitlemarkup and/or scoretitlemarkup from scratch to be able to access the font settings for these items

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-15 Thread Tim McNamara
On Mar 15, 2013, at 10:38 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de wrote: Hi Torsten, first of all: This looks just amazing! Thanks for sharing it! Even though I like LilyPond's original typesetting a lot, I noticed that sheets get more

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-15 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 2013-03-15 um 10:06 schrieb TaoCG: This is all very interesting, I'd love to have a jazz style font in LilyPond, though I don't particularly like the Sigler Jazz font. I much prefer their Swing font. I was still wondering if there won't be

Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de writes: So finally: what have I done and why? The main obstacle is the rigid way Lilypond handles its (her, his?) internal music font. I deliberately decided to stick to an ordinary OTF/TTF font first to learn how to use external fonts (who knows

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Urs Liska
Hi Torsten, thank you very much for your work. This is great! While I probably won't use it ever for myself, I find that an extremely useful addition to LilyPond, and I hope you will get enough assistance to get it into LilyPond's default distribution. Best Urs Am 14.03.2013 11:36,

Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Werner LEMBERG
In the first place: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit unfinished) versions of the LilyJAZZ music and LilyJAZZ Text font plus the corresponding LilyJAZZ.ily include. Very impressive! The main obstacle is the rigid way Lilypond handles its (her, his?) internal music

Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/3/14 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: We currently have three music fonts of more than marginal interest: LilyPond's own Feta (?), ... Emmentaler. Of which Feta and Parmesan are subsets. But Parmesan is only for ancient, and Feta includes braces and everything, so I guess we can keep calling

Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Hi Werner, What do you mean with rigid? Some things related to Feta/Emmentaler access are still being handled deep inside non-public scheme coding or even C source code and consequently very hard to tweak.Amongst the most stubborn stencils are multi measure rests where the glyph names are

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de writes: I'm just happy that in the meantime some main actors as David or even Jan seem to acknowledge the fact that Lilypond would certainly benefit from being able to produce jazz output. It's not just Jazz. This is pretty much par for the course

Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Gesendet:Donnerstag, 14. Mrz 2013 um 11:53 Uhr Von:David Kastrup d...@gnu.org I think what we want to arrive at is a way to drop in music fonts into LilyPond in a tolerable workable way. I think that we cant avoid at first the necessity of having the font, if not its glyphs, at least

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Werner LEMBERG
[please use plain text for your e-mails] What do you mean with `rigid'? Some things related to Feta/Emmentaler access are still being handled deep inside non-public scheme coding or even C source code and consequently very hard to tweak. Please open bug reports about those issues. The

Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Torsten, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de wrote: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit unfinished) versions of the LilyJAZZ music and LilyJAZZ Text font plus the corresponding LilyJAZZ.ily include. As an example to demonstrate

Aw: Re: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Gesendet:Donnerstag, 14. Mrz 2013 um 14:59 Uhr Von:David Kastrup d...@gnu.orgIts not just Jazz. This is pretty much par for the course for Barbershop and quite a few other forms of vocal harmony. Interestingly, not for pop music. I also dont think it is used much for piano or other

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Hi Torsten, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de wrote: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit unfinished) versions of the LilyJAZZ music and LilyJAZZ Text font plus the corresponding

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Noeck
Am 14.03.2013 15:38, schrieb David Kastrup: Note spacing, beaming (!), system brackets and a few other things give it away. The beaming is probably the worst offender regarding style consistency. Would it be possible to use Bezier curves instead of straight lines for the beams? Some slight

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:59 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de writes: I'm just happy that in the meantime some main actors as David or even Jan seem to acknowledge the fact that Lilypond would certainly benefit from being able to produce jazz

Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Tim McNamara
On Mar 14, 2013, at 5:36 AM, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: BUT: Even if all this may be quite an ambitious task, I just started off to see what's possible and how Lilypond behaves in a jazz context. Fortunately, the results look quite encouraging. :) This is very intriguing as a jazz player and

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-12 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 7 March 2013 21:52, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote: Earlier this day I informed the Author of it in the DLF (the german LilyPond-Forum). He answered already, reporting having made a lot of improvements and posting a new image. Though, no code, perhaps he will post the

Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-12 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Hello all,my name is Torsten (Be-3) and I happen to be the author of this little Lilypond Jazz excursion. ;)And yes, of course I will publish the coding here, albeit not finished, but I shortly before pressing the send button I got a nice blue screen (thank you, windows!) and had to start over

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-07 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 07.03.2013 00:45, schrieb Thomas Morley: 2013/3/6 Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net: there was a jazz font patch somewhile ago. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-12/msg00290.html There is some currently unfinished work in the german forum.

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-07 Thread David Kastrup
Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de writes: Am 07.03.2013 00:45, schrieb Thomas Morley: 2013/3/6 Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net: there was a jazz font patch somewhile ago. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-12/msg00290.html There is some currently unfinished work in the german

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-07 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Wow, very impressive! I hate to admit it, Hehe :-) but it looks like a game changer of strategic importance to me. I hope that this extension will find its way into the official lilypond releases... What needs to be done for this? A good question. Do you have a contact e-mail

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-07 Thread Stjepan Horvat
It looks very good. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:39 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de writes: Am 07.03.2013 00:45, schrieb Thomas Morley: 2013/3/6 Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net: there was a jazz font patch somewhile ago.

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-07 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
David Kastrup writes: Wow, very impressive! I hate to admit it, but it looks like a game changer of strategic importance to me. People tend to pick LilyPond to get the best typesetting. Yes. Wow. What needs to be done for this? I put quite some effort in supporting Gonville as an

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-07 Thread Klaus Föhl
Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: I put quite some effort in supporting Gonville as an external font, as at the time it took 5+ hours to build it and we did not want to ship a font binary-only. Which is very much appreciated. As a user on Linux I do indeed change between feta and gonville, easy

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-07 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 07.03.2013 10:44, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: Wow, very impressive! I hate to admit it, Hehe :-) but it looks like a game changer of strategic importance to me. I hope that this extension will find its way into the official lilypond releases... What needs to be done for this? I don't know,

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-07 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/3/7 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de: Am 07.03.2013 10:44, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: Wow, very impressive! I hate to admit it, Hehe :-) but it looks like a game changer of strategic importance to me. I hope that this extension will find its way into the official lilypond releases... What

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-06 Thread Shane Brandes
there was a jazz font patch somewhile ago. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-12/msg00290.html Shane On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote: I had it in my brain that Lilypond had a simple switch to enable the pseudo-handwritten font and engraving

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote: I had it in my brain that Lilypond had a simple switch to enable the pseudo-handwritten font and engraving style that one often sees in jazz and stage band music, but after a lengthy search last night, I now wonder if I was

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-06 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote: I had it in my brain that Lilypond had a simple switch to enable the pseudo-handwritten font and engraving style that one often sees in jazz and stage band music, but after a lengthy search last night, I now wonder if I was

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-06 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/3/6 Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net: there was a jazz font patch somewhile ago. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2010-12/msg00290.html There is some currently unfinished work in the german forum. http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=1218.0 But you need an account