Re: Short stems [ATTENTION: INLINE IMAGES]

2012-12-18 Thread Werner LEMBERG
LilyPond tries to mimick traditional engraving. There are bugs, however, saying I find xx is too short is not helpful. I thought I was fairly clear about the specifics―“I find the stem here awfully short because it makes the flag on the eighth note run into the note heads”―but I guess

Re: Short stems [ATTENTION: INLINE IMAGES]

2012-12-18 Thread Arle Lommel
The score I am working from was printed in Boston in the 1860s. It was relatively clear, but the corrected version of 1874 was loaded with junk: pervasive fingerings, nonsensical slurs, seemingly random articulation marks. So much was loaded in that it looks like a rat's nest. Thanks for

Re: A question of list etiquette and images. (Was Re: Short stems)

2012-12-18 Thread David Kastrup
Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com writes: On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Arle Lommel fene...@gmail.com wrote: Given that, does anyone have any suggestions to how behave nicely for list members like Harm when images are involved? Hi Arle, Hmmm... one possible solution is to post your images in

Re: Short stems [ATTENTION: INLINE IMAGES]

2012-12-18 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Arle Lommel writes: I thought I was fairly clear about the specifics—“I find the stem here awfully short because it makes the flag on the eighth note run into the note heads”—but I guess not. Yes, that's clear. But the inline images (yes) shown below should resolve any confusion on the

Re: Short stems [ATTENTION: INLINE IMAGES]

2012-12-18 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Arle Lommel writes: Thanks for pointing out the regional and temporal variations at work here. That tells me the Lilypond default isn't a bug. It is just a difference of aesthetic ideal and intention. It still /could/ be, what I say it that it's impossible for me to tell yet. Greetings, Jan

Re: Short stems [ATTENTION: INLINE IMAGES]

2012-12-18 Thread Arle Lommel
…how can you be so sure that the LilyPond output wrong? I'm not at all sure it is wrong, but as Werner points out, there were non-German traditions that Lilypond does not address. Since this comes from one of those and I am trying to represent the score in a nicer format that is still true to

Re: Short stems

2012-12-18 Thread Thomas Morley
2012/12/18 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org: Thomas Morley writes: please: DON'T POST INLINE-IMAGES! Can you please don't shout, esp. not to our users? Hi Arle, Jan, I apologize having been impolite. Attach them! I'm surely not alone with filtering them out. Why would anyone do that?

Re: Short stems

2012-12-18 Thread Arle Lommel
No worries at all. If most people were “impolite” in the same way (offering solutions and helping) the world would be better off. Since you've helped me before, I didn't take it personally in any way. Arle I apologize having been impolite. ___

Re: A question of list etiquette and images. (Was Re: Short stems)

2012-12-18 Thread Thomas Morley
2012/12/18 Arle Lommel fene...@gmail.com: First off, thanks very much, Harm, for taking the time to review my issue and provide a detailed response, despite the complaint about images. I will work with it and see how it works out. Hi Arle, let me express my apology having been impolite

Re: Short stems

2012-12-18 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Thomas Morley writes: In the past I was sometimes beaten by spam. And I'm absolutly nerved by online-commercials. Have you ever seen spam or commercials on these lists? So I block/filter where possible. You may want to filter INBOX, if your ISP is failing at blocking spam. You can also

Re: Short stems

2012-12-18 Thread Thomas Morley
2012/12/18 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org: Thomas Morley writes: In the past I was sometimes beaten by spam. And I'm absolutly nerved by online-commercials. Have you ever seen spam or commercials on these lists? Yes, sent from hacked accounts, I suppose. So I block/filter where

Re: Short stems

2012-12-18 Thread David Kastrup
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com writes: 2012/12/18 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org: Thomas Morley writes: In the past I was sometimes beaten by spam. And I'm absolutly nerved by online-commercials. Have you ever seen spam or commercials on these lists? Yes, sent from hacked

Short stems

2012-12-17 Thread Arle Lommel
I have run into an odd little aesthetic issue. I'm finding that some eighth (or shorter) notes get stems that are too short when they stick out from the staff.For instance, I find the stem here awfully short because it makes the flag on the eighth note run into the note heads:But the measure

Re: Short stems

2012-12-17 Thread Thomas Morley
2012/12/17 Arle Lommel fene...@gmail.com I have run into an odd little aesthetic issue. I'm finding that some eighth (or shorter) notes get stems that are too short when they stick out from the staff. For instance, I find the stem here awfully short because it makes the flag on the eighth

Re: Short stems

2012-12-17 Thread Nick Payne
On 18/12/12 09:35, Arle Lommel wrote: I have run into an odd little aesthetic issue. I'm finding that some eighth (or shorter) notes get stems that are too short when they stick out from the staff. You can change the default multiplier for stem lengths with \override Stem.length-fraction =

Re: Short stems

2012-12-17 Thread Keith OHara
Arle Lommel fenevad at gmail.com writes: I have run into an odd little aesthetic issue. I'm finding that some eighth (or shorter) notes get stems that are too short when they stick out from the staff. I see you have plenty of answers already, but if you use the list of values that LilyPond

A question of list etiquette and images. (Was Re: Short stems)

2012-12-17 Thread Arle Lommel
First off, thanks very much, Harm, for taking the time to review my issue and provide a detailed response, despite the complaint about images. I will work with it and see how it works out. Now please forgive me for diverting from Lilypond-related matters to issues of the list etiquette. My

Re: A question of list etiquette and images. (Was Re: Short stems)

2012-12-17 Thread Paul Morris
On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 AM, Arle Lommel fene...@gmail.com wrote: Given that, does anyone have any suggestions to how behave nicely for list members like Harm when images are involved? Hi Arle, Hmmm... one possible solution is to post your images in flickr, dropbox, or your online

Re: Short stems

2012-12-17 Thread Arle Lommel
then you might comment on the recommendation for improvement here http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2724 which will probably prompt some action. I will look at that. See my note below: I think the default values are a problem. LilyPond's default is the list I typed above :

Re: Short stems

2012-12-17 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Arle Lommel writes: I have run into an odd little aesthetic issue. I'm finding that some eighth (or shorter) notes get stems that are too short when they stick out from the staff. LilyPond tries to mimick traditional engraving. There are bugs, however, saying I find xx is too short is not

Re: Short stems

2012-12-17 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Thomas Morley writes: please: DON'T POST INLINE-IMAGES! Can you please don't shout, esp. not to our users? Attach them! I'm surely not alone with filtering them out. Why would anyone do that? People will inline pictures and I find that very useful. Werner has sent many many clear bug

Re: A question of list etiquette and images. (Was Re: Short stems)

2012-12-17 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/12/18 Arle Lommel fene...@gmail.com: It provides an interesting conundrum. I use a Macintosh with the default client (Apple Mail) or a mobile device (iPhone) with the built-in mail client. With neither of those is there any distinction between in-line and attached images at all. In

Re: Short stems

2012-12-17 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Werner has sent many many clear bug reports using inline pictures, much friendlier than attached. Uhmm, no. I've never done that. Using the `mew' e-mail reader (within Emacs) I can actually read inline images but not create. Werner ___