grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Aaron Mehl
Hi all, I am having some challenges getting grace notes to do what I intended, with lyrics and also in combination. The first case is as follows: g'2\grace a'8( g'2 ) | g'2 ya-leh with the slur the lyrics syllable is pushed to the next beat

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Graham Percival
On 17-Aug-05, at 10:57 PM, Aaron Mehl wrote: The first case is as follows: g'2\grace a'8( g'2 ) | g'2 ya-leh with the slur the lyrics syllable is pushed to the next beat This has nothing to do with grace notes; this is the default behavior of lyrics. To

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Graham Percival wrote: On 17-Aug-05, at 10:57 PM, Aaron Mehl wrote: The first case is as follows: g'2\grace a'8( g'2 ) | g'2 ya-leh with the slur the lyrics syllable is pushed to the next beat This has nothing to do with grace notes; this is the default

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Aaron Mehl
indeed, but it's actually wrong, since grace notes are too short to sing a syllable on. I was hoping that was the answer I would get. I am notating folk songs where there is indeed such behaviour, i.e. the singer sings a syllable on a grace note. Since they aren't trained musicians, I can't

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Aaron Mehl
Hi again hmn... g'2\grace a'8( g'2 ) | g'2 ya-leh What exactly is the slur here telling lilypond? slur+lyric=? It is obvious now that indeed the grace note is not the issue, but the slur certainly is. The proof is once I remove the slur all is well. Maybe

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Aaron Mehl wrote: indeed, but it's actually wrong, since grace notes are too short to sing a syllable on. I was hoping that was the answer I would get. I am notating folk songs where there is indeed such behaviour, i.e. the singer sings a syllable on a grace You can switch off the slur

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Graham Percival
On 18-Aug-05, at 3:00 AM, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Aaron Mehl wrote: indeed, but it's actually wrong, since grace notes are too short to sing a syllable on. I was hoping that was the answer I would get. I am notating folk songs where there is indeed such behaviour, i.e. the singer sings a

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Graham Percival wrote: You can switch off the slur melismata. Check the manual for details. OF course, that doesn't help if the rest of the piece does have slurs. Well, you can just switch it on again, right? Isn't that what \set ignoreMelismata = ##t \unset ignoreMelismata is for?

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Aaron Mehl
Yes indeed, what would be nice would be another type of slur for melismata. or maybe have a slur in the lyrics block, that would make it an explicit slur for lyrics. Aaron indeed, but it defeats the purpose of the automatic melismata, which is that you don't have to worry about this kind of

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Erik Sandberg
On Thursday 18 August 2005 11.36, Aaron Mehl wrote: I forgot to mention the version I am using if it matters:GNU LilyPond 2.7.3 Also I didn't post the source since the lyrics are in hebrew, if it is relevent I can output a png. It's enough for us to see _an_ example that demonstrates it, it

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Aaron Mehl
Note that the current default behaviour in LilyPond corresponds to the typesetting practice used in most printed music. Yeah I know I will play with phrsing slurs, which I didn't see in the doc for the latest development version, I hope they still exist. Aaron /Mats

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Aaron Mehl wrote: Yes indeed, what would be nice would be another type of slur for melismata. or maybe have a slur in the lyrics block, that would make it an explicit slur for lyrics. One option is to use phrasing slurs, \(...\), for slurs that shouldn't indicate a melisma and ordinary

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Graham Percival
On 18-Aug-05, at 6:25 AM, Aaron Mehl wrote: will play with phrsing slurs, which I didn't see in the doc for the latest development version, I hope they still exist. Umm... 6.4.3? It's the section right after slurs. - Graham ___ lilypond-user

Re: grace notes grumble

2005-08-18 Thread Aaron Mehl
Yeah I just looked at slurs and didn't see a link at the bottom of the page to phrasing slurs but now I see it. thanks :{) Aaron --- Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18-Aug-05, at 6:25 AM, Aaron Mehl wrote: will play with phrsing slurs, which I didn't see in the doc for