Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-22 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 20/03/2014 10:30, Urs Liska wrote: I think that LilyPond's main strength is transformative use: different page formats, different media, different transpositions, individual variations. Yes, and I have/had the impression that it _is_ possible now to promote this feature. Of course I don't e

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Urs Liska
Another interesting option might be the new library from Frescobaldi. Peter is using it for the export side of things, and it might be useful for import too. IIUC Frescobaldi can write a .ly file from its internal DOM representation. I think there is much in common between translating that DOM _

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Johan Vromans
Francisco Vila writes: > This is true but he is talking about using "their MusicXML importer" I > think. > > Without knowing all the internal details, I can say this sounds easy > but it is Not. Because, it imports, and converts to what exactly? > Certainly not to a LilyPond-usable representation

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Francois Planiol
Price could be an argument to introduce in GNU and free world. This was mis case. After deceptions with a disapeared GUI (HB-Engraver) and even worse with the hotline of Finale, I switched to MusixTeX, but this was also annoying... At this point, I knew only that paper is the better way. If lilypon

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Urs Liska
Am 20.03.2014 10:25, schrieb David Kastrup: Francois Planiol writes: Lily is free and that is a bg problem, for salesmen. Remember the incandescent lamp? It was not expensive enough and forcedly replaced by a dangerous CFL with a higher margin for everybody except the end-customer. So for

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread David Kastrup
Francois Planiol writes: > Lily is free and that is a bg problem, for salesmen. > > Remember the incandescent lamp? It was not expensive enough and > forcedly replaced by a dangerous CFL with a higher margin for > everybody except the end-customer. So forget it, when it is free. Just > even w

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-03-20 10:01 GMT+01:00 pls : > > On 20.03.2014, at 08:35, Johan Vromans wrote: >> Musescore is open source software, why not [try to] use their importer? > MuseScore will drop their support for LilyPond in version 2.0 (see > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-02/msg00087.htm

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread pls
On 20.03.2014, at 08:35, Johan Vromans wrote: > > I use musescore for MusicXML -> LilyPond conversion. It does a much > better job than any other tool I know (including musicxml2ly). Hm, my experience has been quite different! 7 months ago I tested MuseScore v1.3 with 10 MusicXML-files of ope

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Urs Liska
Am 20.03.2014 08:35, schrieb Johan Vromans: SoundsFromSound writes: Urs Liska wrote Am 20.03.2014 00:18, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: 1. Flawless MusicXML import and export. #1 is the next largest hurdle. Yes, and a crucial one. But I think current development is very promising. For the firs

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Am 20.03.2014 00:18, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > In my opinion, here — in order of importance — are the things we need to make > established houses sit up and take notice: > > 1. Flawless MusicXML import and export. > 2. Better “pixel-level” control of objects. > 3. A finely-tuned stylesheet syst

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2014-03-20 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Johan and all, this reminds me of an idea I had quite some time ago: A program like MuseScore might import lilypond either by a stream, created by lilypond, or via module calls made by a scheme-module which makes use of the musescores API. Now this is just an idea for the archives (who knows,

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Johan Vromans
SoundsFromSound writes: > Urs Liska wrote >> Am 20.03.2014 00:18, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: >>> 1. Flawless MusicXML import and export. >>> >>> #1 is the next largest hurdle. >> >> Yes, and a crucial one. But I think current development is very >> promising. For the first time someone is actual

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-20 Thread Urs Liska
Am 20.03.2014 01:56, schrieb SoundsFromSound: Are there any style sheets floating around that people can take a look at? The sheet Urs & co. used looked great to my eyes, on that collection. Which ones are you referring to? Maybe that could help users and also inspire them to create their ow

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread Francois Planiol
;m >> looking forward to that (there are two publishers I'll visit for closer >> demonstrations, with two more I have hopes to get to that point too). >> >> Urs >> >>> >>> Kieren. >>> __________

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread SoundsFromSound
/listinfo/lilypond-user >> > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@ > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Are there any style sheets floating around that people can take a look at? The sheet Urs &am

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread Urs Liska
Am 20.03.2014 00:18, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hi Urs, Time for a Lilypond Publishing House... I'd say rather push LilyPond into the existing publishing houses. Why not both? Nothing against it. But actually there _are_ already a number of "LilyPond Publishing Houses" - all of them of neg

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2014-03-19 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Urs, >> Time for a Lilypond Publishing House... > I'd say rather push LilyPond into the existing publishing houses. Why not both? > And I think changes have never been better for that than now. True. In my opinion, here — in order of importance — are the things we need to make established

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
Francisco Vila writes: > 2014-03-19 13:27 GMT+01:00 Klaus Föhl : > >> Did not spot a stand for Sibelius. I looked but did not hunt for it. > > Last time I had news of, it was defunct. Sure, they still could be > trying to sell it, but IMHO only a fool would buy a copy. I thought Avid was putting

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread Francisco Vila
2014-03-19 13:27 GMT+01:00 Klaus Föhl : > Did not spot a stand for Sibelius. I looked but did not hunt for it. Last time I had news of, it was defunct. Sure, they still could be trying to sell it, but IMHO only a fool would buy a copy. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.cs

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread Urs Liska
Am 19.03.2014 13:27, schrieb Klaus Föhl: Hello, This year a short visit to the Musikmesse only. Learning about the "BEST EDITION 2014" award only after the event (and would have had to miss that one anyway). Congratulations nevertheless to Urs and Janek and all else involved. Thanks. Missin

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread Urs Liska
Am 19.03.2014 14:15, schrieb Francois Planiol: Time for a Lilypond Publishing House... Francois I'd say rather push LilyPond into the existing publishing houses. And I think changes have never been better for that than now. Although this probably wouldn't be cherished by everyone here ... -

Re: short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread Francois Planiol
Time for a Lilypond Publishing House... Francois 2014-03-19 7:27 GMT-05:00, Klaus Föhl : > Hello, > > This year a short visit to the Musikmesse only. > Learning about the "BEST EDITION 2014" award only after the event > (and would have had to miss that one anyway). > Congratulations nevertheless t

short Musikmesse minutes

2014-03-19 Thread Klaus Föhl
Hello, This year a short visit to the Musikmesse only. Learning about the "BEST EDITION 2014" award only after the event (and would have had to miss that one anyway). Congratulations nevertheless to Urs and Janek and all else involved. Missing out on the MusicXML meeting as well, but I noted it w