Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-11 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi 2013/12/10 Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org: I recently e-mailed the development list about multiple concurrent development versions and I’d like to ask users, especially those currently using the development version, to take the time to respond to a question regarding the proposal.

survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Mike Solomon
Hey all, I recently e-mailed the development list about multiple concurrent development versions and I’d like to ask users, especially those currently using the development version, to take the time to respond to a question regarding the proposal. If lilypond.org were to propose multiple

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Carl Peterson
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: Hey all, I recently e-mailed the development list about multiple concurrent development versions and I’d like to ask users, especially those currently using the development version, to take the time to respond to a

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Mike Solomon
On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: Hey all, I recently e-mailed the development list about multiple concurrent development versions and I’d like to ask users, especially those

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org To: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:23 PM Subject: survey on multiple development versions Hey all, I recently e-mailed the development list about multiple concurrent development

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: It seems to be fixing a problem we don't have. What would be the benefit? We have a problem reconciling potentially destabilizing work with the necessity to put out releases, in particular stable releases. That definitely _is_ a problem we have. I

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org If we have branches with personal interests, it must become more feasible for the respective authors with personal interests to provide binaries if they consider that a good idea. Any solution that will only work via the Phil, do

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Mike Solomon
On Dec 10, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org To: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:23 PM Subject: survey on multiple development versions Hey all, I

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread David Kastrup
Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org If we have branches with personal interests, it must become more feasible for the respective authors with personal interests to provide binaries if they consider that a good idea. Any

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Carl Peterson
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: If we have branches with personal interests, it must become more feasible for the respective authors with personal interests to provide binaries if they consider that a good idea. Any solution that will only work via the

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Mike Solomon
On Dec 10, 2013, at 6:02 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org If we have branches with personal interests, it must become more feasible for the respective authors with personal

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Pavel Roskin
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:00:02 -0500 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com wrote: This, to me, sounds like a plug-in solution is needed, at least for things that do not involve changing the C++ code (and maybe even then). I would hate the situation when I download a source for a piece of music

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.12.2013 17:10, schrieb Mike Solomon: On Dec 10, 2013, at 6:02 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org mailto:d...@gnu.org wrote: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net mailto:m...@philholmes.net writes: - Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org mailto:d...@gnu.org If we have

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: If we have branches with personal interests, it must become more feasible for the respective authors with personal interests to provide binaries if they consider that a good

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread David Kastrup
Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org writes: On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:00:02 -0500 Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com wrote: This, to me, sounds like a plug-in solution is needed, at least for things that do not involve changing the C++ code (and maybe even then). I would hate the situation when I

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Mike Solomon
On Dec 10, 2013, at 6:32 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: If we have branches with personal interests, it must become more feasible for the respective authors with

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Simon Bailey
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: I don’t think asking users a question is blasting ahead with a solution. It is a question that will help me better understand how users use unstable versions LilyPond, which in turn will help me understand the

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Carl Peterson
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Simon Bailey si...@bailey.at wrote: for instance: - the cool new features in 2.17 were \tuplet, tighter spacing, dot.notation.of.objects and \markLengthOn, several articulations feature; - 2.15 didn't have much exciting for me in it -- here i stuck with 2.14

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread SoundsFromSound
the bleeding edge, what can I say? :) I am a risk-taker! lol - composer | sound designer LilyPond Tutorials (for beginners) -- http://bit.ly/bcl-lilypond -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/survey-on-multiple-development-versions-tp155496p155522.html Sent

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.12.2013 18:30, schrieb SoundsFromSound: For whatever it's worth, I've always used unstable builds from about 2 weeks after I started using LilyPond. I began with stable, but then quickly hopped on the unstables and have had zero issues with my scores. I love the bleeding edge, what can I

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Paul Morris
version (or at most two?) instead of five, then this would be a lot simpler and more feasible from a user's standpoint. But maybe that would not be enough to achieve what you're trying to accomplish. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/survey-on-multiple

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Shane Brandes
Working on many parallel versions seems in some ways seductive, the dream of improving many things all at once, but I agree keeping to a single release cycle is definitely less prone to creating all sorts of unintended problems from conflicting development to documentation degradation. This

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Curt
I wonder if this is coming across more confusing than it has to be. You're talking about branching a feature branch from the mainline (probably the development branch: 2.17.24, 2.17.25, etc) and merging from it (as the mainline changes), while the feature branch is improved, until the feature

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Colin Campbell
On 12/10/2013 06:41 AM, Carl Peterson wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org mailto:m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: Hey all, I recently e-mailed the development list about multiple concurrent development versions and I’d like to ask users, especially

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 10.12.2013 18:30, schrieb SoundsFromSound: For whatever it's worth, I've always used unstable builds from about 2 weeks after I started using LilyPond. I began with stable, but then quickly hopped on the unstables and have had zero issues with my

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread David Kastrup
Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org writes: On Dec 10, 2013, at 6:32 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Refactoring the page building into a stage where its basic operations can be done from Scheme/LilyPond would be a first big step towards being able to experiment with different schemes

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Mike Solomon
On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Colin Campbell c...@shaw.ca wrote: On 12/10/2013 06:41 AM, Carl Peterson wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Mike Solomon m...@mikesolomon.org wrote: Hey all, I recently e-mailed the development list about multiple concurrent development versions and I’d

Re: survey on multiple development versions

2013-12-10 Thread Urs Liska
Am 10.12.2013 19:46, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 10.12.2013 18:30, schrieb SoundsFromSound: For whatever it's worth, I've always used unstable builds from about 2 weeks after I started using LilyPond. I began with stable, but then quickly hopped on the