Re: zero horizontal space between note heads
On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 7:13 AM Werner LEMBERG wrote:
>
> For testing purposes I try to eliminate spacing completely.
>
> I tried
>
> ```
> \version "2.25.9"
>
> #(set-global-staff-size 26)
>
> {
> \override Staff.Clef.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
> \override Staff.KeySignature.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
> \override Staff.TimeSignature.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
> \override NoteHead.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
>
> \override Score.SpacingSpanner.spacing-increment = 0
>
> \override Staff.KeySignature.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 0)
> \override Staff.TimeSignature.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 0)
>
> \override Staff.LeftEdge.space-alist.clef = #'(extra-space . 0)
> \override Staff.Clef.space-alist.key-signature = #'(extra-space . 0)
> \override Staff.KeySignature.space-alist.time-signature = #'(extra-space
> . 0)
> \override Staff.KeySignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 0)
> \override Staff.TimeSignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space .
> 0)
>
> \key cis \major
> bis'16 bis' bis' bis'
> }
> ```
>
> and get the attached output. However, there is still some horizontal
> space between the note heads. What is it? I tried hard to find
> something in the IR but wasn't successful...
>
I don't have a perfect answer.
But the NoteColumn is slightly wider than the NoteHead. If you show the
NoteColumn skylines, and set packed-spacing == ##t, you get the NoteColumns
(but not the NoteHeads) tightly adjacent to each other.
\version "2.25.9"
#(set-global-staff-size 26)
{
\override Staff.Clef.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override Staff.KeySignature.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override Staff.TimeSignature.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override NoteHead.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override NoteColumn.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override Score.SpacingSpanner.packed-spacing = ##t
\override Staff.KeySignature.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 0)
\override Staff.TimeSignature.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 0)
\override Staff.LeftEdge.space-alist.clef = #'(extra-space . 0)
\override Staff.Clef.space-alist.key-signature = #'(extra-space . 0)
\override Staff.KeySignature.space-alist.time-signature = #'(extra-space
. 0)
\override Staff.KeySignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 0)
\override Staff.TimeSignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 0)
\key cis \major
bis'16 bis' bis' bis'
}
Carl
Re: Switching between one staff and two
On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 2:08 AM Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> Look up the documentation of `Keep_alive_together_engraver`, which
> explains how to make LilyPond split such divisi parts automatically.
>
>
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/modifying-single-staves#hiding-staves
Thanks. I've been playing around with this, but I still am not sure how to
make it work -- I've tried a few things, and it's not removing the empty
staves. I'm attaching my current attempt below:
Evan
\version "2.20.0"
\language "english"
global = {
\key d \major
\time 4/4
\clef bass
}
celloI = \relative c' {
\global
\once \unset Staff.keepAliveInterfaces
R1*4/4*2
% \time 3/2 here
R1*3/2*3
c2 c c |
R1*3/2
c2 c c
R1*3/2*2
c2 c c |
\break
c c c |
c c c |
c c c |
c c c |
\break
\time 2/2
c4 c c c
}
celloII = \relative c' {
\global
\once \unset Staff.keepAliveInterfaces
c4 c c c |
\break
c2 c
\time 3/2
c2 c c
c c c
c c c
\break
\repeat unfold 6 {c c c}
\break
\repeat unfold 4 { c c c}
\undo \omit TimeSignature
\break
\time 2/2
c4 c c c
}
\score {
\new StaffGroup \with { \consists Keep_alive_together_engraver } <<
\new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Cello I"
\RemoveAllEmptyStaves
%\override VerticalAxisGroup.remove-layer = 1
} \celloI
\new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Cello II"
\RemoveAllEmptyStaves
%\override VerticalAxisGroup.remove-layer = 1
} \celloII
>>
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\RemoveEmptyStaves
}
}
\midi { }
}
Re: LSR down
> Le 29 oct. 2023 à 22:33, Knute Snortum a écrit : > > It looks like https://lsr.di.unimi.it/ is down. Does anyone know who > administers that site? Sebastiano, now in CC.
Re: Formatting for a tie
Thank you everyone! I got the slurs formatted correctly.
\version "2.22.1"
\header {
title = "Yo sé a Quién he creído"
composer = "James McGranaham"
poet = "Daniel W. Whittle, tr. Samuel L. Sloniker"
copyright = \markup {
\center-column {
"Traducción © 2023 Samuel L. Sloniker"
"Creative Commons Atribución 4.0 Internacional"
\line {
\with-url "https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.es;
"https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.es;
}
}
}
}
\new GrandStaff <<
\new Staff {
\relative c' {
\time 4/4
\key c \minor
r2. 4
4. 8 << { aes8[( g]) } \\ { ees4 } >> << { f8[( ees]) } \\
{ bes4 } >>
4
4. 8 [( ]) [( ])
2. 4
4. 8 << { aes8[( g]) } \\ { ees4 } >> << { f8[( ees]) } \\
{ bes4 } >>
4
4. 8 << { c'8[( bes]) } \\ { d,4 } >> << { aes'8[( f]) }
\\ { d4 } >>
2. \bar "||" \break \mark "Coro" 8 8
4 4. 8 [ ]
4 4. 8 []
4 4. 8 [ ]
4 2 4
4. 8 [ ]
4 2 4 % in original, 4 is 8 twice
4. 8 4
2.
}
}
\addlyrics {
\set stanza = #"1. "
No | sé por qué _ Dios _ | me ha da -- do | Su gran gra -- ci -- | a,
ni_por | qué Cris -- to _ me _ | re -- di -- mió del_pe -- | ca -- do y _ del _
| mal. Pe -- ro sé a Quién he cre -- i -- do y estoy se -- gu -- ro de que Él
pue -- de guar -- dar lo que le con -- fí -- e pa -- ra a -- quel dí -- a.
}
\addlyrics {
\set stanza = #"2. "
No | sé có -- mo _ la _ | sal -- va -- ción a | mí me im -- par -- | tió,
ni | có -- mo te -- _ ner _ | fe en Él Me_dio | paz en mi _ al -- _ | ma.
}
\addlyrics {
\set stanza = #"3. "
No | sé có -- mo _ el_Es -- _ | pír -- i -- tu me | con -- ven -- ce de |
mal, dán -- | do -- me fe _ en _ | Cris -- to a tra -- | vés de Su _ Ver -- _ |
bo.
}
\addlyrics {
\set stanza = #"4. "
No | sé qué del _ bien _ | o del mal ten -- | dré en mi vi -- | da, de |
prue -- bas o _ fa -- _ | ci -- li -- dad, Antes | de que Lo _ ve -- _ | a.
}
\addlyrics {
\set stanza = #"5. "
No | sé cuan -- do _ ven -- _ drá Cri -- sto, de no -- che o dí -- a, ni si
cru -- zar -- _ é _ el vall -- e, o_ser -- é arr -- e -- ba -- ta -- _ do.
}
\new Staff {
\relative c {
\clef "bass"
\time 4/4
\key c \minor
r2. 4
4. 8 << { c'8[( bes]) } \\ { ees,4 } >> << { aes8[(
g]) } \\ { ees4 } >>
4. 8 4 << { d8[( ees]) } \\ { bes'4 } >>
2. 4
4. 8 << { c'8[( bes]) } \\ { ees,4 } >> << { aes8[(
g]) } \\ { ees4 } >>
4. 8 4 << { f'8[( aes]) } \\ { bes,4 } >>
2. \bar "||" \break 8
4 4. 8 [ ]
4 4. 8 [ ]
4 4. 8 [ ]
4 2 4
4. 8 [ ]
4 2 4 % in original, 4 is
actually 8 twice
4. 8 << { bes8[( c]) } \\ { bes'4 } >>
2.
}
}
>>
\layout {
indent = #0
\context {
\Score
\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
}
}
LSR down
It looks like https://lsr.di.unimi.it/ is down. Does anyone know who administers that site? -- Knute Snortum
Re: zero horizontal space between note heads
>> If I set `packed_spacing`, it's getting a little bit tighter, but >> there is still horizontal whitespace between the note heads, and I >> still don't know where it comes from. > > What happens if you set the Beam X-extent to point-stencil (or > whatever)? Alas, this doesn't help. Replacing the notes with quarters, the result is the same. Note that I *can* make the note heads touch horizontally by setting ``` \override NoteHead.extra-spacing-width = #'(+inf.0 . -inf.0) ``` But this is not a solution; it just hides the added space (and there is still space between the time signature and the first note). Maybe the space is hard-coded and built-in, but I couldn't find the right spot by inspection of the source code – if so, I'm interested in the actual amount that is added. Werner
Re: zero horizontal space between note heads
Hi Werner, > If I set `packed_spacing`, it's getting a little bit tighter, but > there is still horizontal whitespace between the note heads, and I > still don't know where it comes from. What happens if you set the Beam X-extent to point-stencil (or whatever)? – Kieren __ My work day may look different than your work day. Please do not feel obligated to read or respond to this email outside of your normal working hours.
Re: zero horizontal space between note heads
> [...] However, there is still some horizontal space between the note
> heads. What is it? I tried hard to find something in the IR but
> wasn't successful...
If I set `packed_spacing`, it's getting a little bit tighter, but
there is still horizontal whitespace between the note heads, and I
still don't know where it comes from.
Werner
==
```tex
\version "2.25.9"
#(set-global-staff-size 26)
{
\override Staff.Clef.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override Staff.KeySignature.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override Staff.TimeSignature.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override NoteHead.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override Score.SpacingSpanner.shortest-duration-space = 0
\override Score.SpacingSpanner.packed-spacing = ##t
\override Staff.KeySignature.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 0)
\override Staff.TimeSignature.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 0)
\override Staff.LeftEdge.space-alist.clef = #'(extra-space . 0)
\override Staff.Clef.space-alist.key-signature = #'(extra-space . 0)
\override Staff.KeySignature.space-alist.time-signature = #'(extra-space . 0)
\override Staff.KeySignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 0)
\override Staff.TimeSignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 0)
\key cis \major
bis'8 bis' bis' bis'
}
```
Re: Moving \dim or \cresc
On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 1:59 AM Jean Abou Samra wrote: > > When I was experimenting with moving the X and Y offsets of \dim and > \cresc, I found that X-offset doesn't seem to work with a tweak or an > override. > > > X-offset is rarely meaningful with spanners because they conceptually have > two X positions, not one. > > You can adjust them independently with > > \override DynamicTextSpanner.bound-details.left.padding = 1 > > \override DynamicTextSpanner.bound-details.right.padding = 1 > Thank you for the explanation. That does what I was hoping for.
zero horizontal space between note heads
For testing purposes I try to eliminate spacing completely.
I tried
```
\version "2.25.9"
#(set-global-staff-size 26)
{
\override Staff.Clef.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override Staff.KeySignature.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override Staff.TimeSignature.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override NoteHead.show-horizontal-skylines = ##t
\override Score.SpacingSpanner.spacing-increment = 0
\override Staff.KeySignature.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 0)
\override Staff.TimeSignature.extra-spacing-width = #'(0 . 0)
\override Staff.LeftEdge.space-alist.clef = #'(extra-space . 0)
\override Staff.Clef.space-alist.key-signature = #'(extra-space . 0)
\override Staff.KeySignature.space-alist.time-signature = #'(extra-space . 0)
\override Staff.KeySignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 0)
\override Staff.TimeSignature.space-alist.first-note = #'(fixed-space . 0)
\key cis \major
bis'16 bis' bis' bis'
}
```
and get the attached output. However, there is still some horizontal
space between the note heads. What is it? I tried hard to find
something in the IR but wasn't successful...
Werner
Re: Formatting for a tie
Jean Abou Samra writes: > Le samedi 28 octobre 2023 à 21:21 -0400, Samuel Sloniker a écrit : >> How can I format this tie in Lilypond? I'm writing a Lilypond file for an >> existing song; this image is from a scan of a hymnal. > > > If you are having trouble finding the answer to this in the > documentation or Web searches, it's because the term for this bow is “ > slur” (not “tie”). A tie is between two notes having the same pitch, > and makes the second silent so that the first one is effectively > prolonged. Not every instrument is purely percussive, and even most percussive instruments have some way of ending a note and/or providing for letting it decay naturally. Your description makes it sound as if there is no difference between a rest and a note continued by a tie. -- David Kastrup
Re: Formatting for a tie
Le samedi 28 octobre 2023 à 21:21 -0400, Samuel Sloniker a écrit : > How can I format this tie in Lilypond? I'm writing a Lilypond file for an > existing song; this image is from a scan of a hymnal. If you are having trouble finding the answer to this in the documentation or Web searches, it's because the term for this bow is “ slur” (not “tie”). A tie is between two notes having the same pitch, and makes the second silent so that the first one is effectively prolonged. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Moving \dim or \cresc
> When I was experimenting with moving the X and Y offsets of \dim and \cresc, I > found that X-offset doesn't seem to work with a tweak or an override. X-offset is rarely meaningful with spanners because they conceptually have two X positions, not one. You can adjust them independently with \override DynamicTextSpanner.bound-details.left.padding = 1 \override DynamicTextSpanner.bound-details.right.padding = 1 > In fact, I couldn't get \tweak or -\tweak to work at all with \dim and \cresc. \tweak color red \dim works for me. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Switching between one staff and two
> I've pasted some example code after my signature I'm having trouble with. > Can anyone help me solve these problems: [...] Look up the documentation of `Keep_alive_together_engraver`, which explains how to make LilyPond split such divisi parts automatically. https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/modifying-single-staves#hiding-staves Werner
Switching between one staff and two
Something that I always have trouble with (I'm only an occasional Lilypond
user) is writing parts that switch from one staff to two and back, and
getting that so it's correct. If there's a relevant section of the manual I
have a hard time finding it, and I often find problems when adapting
previous times I've dealt with this.
I've pasted some example code after my signature I'm having trouble with.
Can anyone help me solve these problems:
- The way I'm introducing a second staff, I need to use "\with { \omit
TimeSignature}" or it will display the time signature on one of the staffs
when it splits. However, there's a time signature change when switching
back to a single staff, and this prevents it from showing the time
signature for that staff when it switches back.
- As can be seen, neither "\with { \once \omit ...}" instead nor "\undo
\omit TimeSignature" before the end helps. Even if I remove the "\with",
while it places the time signature it does not show the staff lines under
it.
- There's also an empty space to the right of the final bar line before
it splits. I honestly have no clue why this is here. If I leave out the
"\with" then it writes the time signature into it -- for *some* reason I
don't understand -- but not properly set for it to just be invisible here.
More generally, this is an area where I feel I never know what I'm doing
and just throw stuff at the compiler until it works *well enough*, and then
I give up. Is there some fundamental knowledge that I seem to be missing
here? Something I've not been able to find in the manual?
(Also, LilyBin doesn't seem to be a thing any more. Is there any
replacement? I'm not turning something up.)
Thanks,
Evan
\version "2.20.0"
\language "english"
global = {
\key d \major
\time 4/4
\tempo 4=100
}
measures = \relative c' {
\repeat unfold 5
\repeat unfold 6 c4
}
cello = \relative c' {
\global
c4 c c c |
\time 3/2
\measures
\break
<<
{
\measures
\break
\measures
\break
}
\new Staff
\with { \once \omit TimeSignature }
{
\clef bass
\key d \major
\measures
\break
\measures
\undo \omit TimeSignature
\break
}
>>
\break
\time 2/2
c4 c c c
}
\score {
\new GrandStaff
\new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Cello"
midiInstrument = "cello"
} { \clef bass \cello }
\layout { }
\midi { }
}
