Re: cygwin build

2004-05-28 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Scott Webber writes:

 Does anyone have a fairly recent build for cygwin?

v2.2.0 is in the Cygwin distribution.

 If I have time, I'd be very interested in contributing as well.

Great.  You'll need to build 2.3 for CVS, then.  Check out mknetrel,
and the cygwin archives for build issues.

Jan.

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Re: Note problems

2004-05-28 Thread Jim Sabatke
Mats Bengtsson wrote:

Jan Kohnert wrote:
Am Samstag, 22. Mai 2004 06:49 schrieb Jim Sabatke:
I've just spent about 16 hours straight trying to get some
bagpipe music to print out properly.  I've used the lilypond
bagpipe.ly as a starting point.  I am also trying to expand
the grace note groupings required.
The immediate problem is:  How do I make the non-grace note
stems all point down?  The expample (bagpipe.ly) doesn't
have any g, a or b notes on the staff, and they all want to
point down.

Try /stemDown into the requiered /notes section.

Which, of course, should be \stemDown·
If you also want the slurs and ties to move down, try
\voiceOne instead.
  /Mats
Thanks for the answer.  It seems so obvious, but lilypond is 
 huge.  I can't imagine how it can be fully documented.

I'm sorry I didn't thank you gentlemen sooner, but I've been 
trying to develop a conversion program for bagpipe music to 
lilypond format.  I am substantially extending the existing 
bagpipe.ly file and will be glad to share it when I've finished.

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Re: Flat beams

2004-05-28 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
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  I couldn't find any examples; I searched the web, mail lists and my
  installed documents and examply ly files.
 
  For example:  How does one set slope-limit?
 
\set Beam #'slope-limit = #0

almost correct, 

  \override Beam #'slope-limit = #0

  Sorry for being such a newbie to this program.

as you can see, even the seasoned users get it wrong sometimes :-)

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Page numbers and taglines

2004-05-28 Thread Jim Sabatke
The following code snippet doesn't seem to either turn off 
page numbering, or to print a tagline:

\header {
%% texidoc = @cindex Bagpipe Music
title = Title
composer = Composer
piece = Piece
source = March
tagline = Printed by Lilypond from BMW source
pagenumber = no
}
I also trind pagenumber = no without quotes
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Re: Flat beams

2004-05-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Jim Sabatke wrote:
Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
Jim Sabatke writes:

Bagpipers are used to reading music with flat beams. The stems should
be long, enough to not interfere with the clutter of grace notes.
I've done a lot of web research on beams, and various kinds of
concaveness seem to be something what I'm looking for.
I'm not sure what value(s) to set, and how to set them.
Can anyone help?

Have a look at slope-limit (maybe damping)
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.2/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/Beam.html#Beam 

(Documentation, program-reference, backend, layout objects (grobs), beam)
I had found that document during my initial search for a solution, 
however, I have no idea how to use the functions or set the variables.  
I couldn't find any examples; I searched the web, mail lists and my 
installed documents and examply ly files.

For example:  How does one set slope-limit?
Sorry for being such a newbie to this program.
Read the newly written chapter 4 of the manual for version 2.2.
If you still have questions after that, please ask again and
point out what is still unclear.
   /Mats
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Re: Grace note beams and stems

2004-05-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Jim Sabatke wrote:
Two problems with grace note beams:
1. The beams are way too thick for my use.  I can get the single grace 
note flags really thin, but haven't been able to find what to set for 
the beams.
If you look up the detailed documentation for beams, you will find the
property thickness. The default value for grace notes is 0.384.
If you want to apply the setting to all grace notes in a score,
try the add-grace-property function, descibed in the manual section
on grace notes.
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Re: Flat beams

2004-05-28 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Jim Sabatke writes:

 I had found that document during my initial search for a solution,
 however, I have no idea how to use the functions or set the variables.

Good point.  We should add links to how to use the properties in the
backend documentation.

 I couldn't find any examples; I searched the web, mail lists and my
 installed documents and examply ly files.

 For example:  How does one set slope-limit?

   \set Beam #'slope-limit = #0

 Sorry for being such a newbie to this program.

You're welcome.

Jan.

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Re: Newbie starting up

2004-05-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson
It turns out that there is a very simple solution to the
problems with double-clicking on files with spaces in the
directory path. Just open the file C:\cygwin\bin\lily-wins
in a text editor, add double quotes around $1:
#!/bin/sh
python /bin/lily-wins.py $1
Save the file and everything should work.
   /Mats
Hendrik wrote:
Thank you, it works now, I had to move test.ly into the cygwin
home-directory though. Would be nice if I can just double-click it.
Second: I already have a running TeX-system, MiKTeX, (I'm using W2k), but
Cygwin installed TeTeX too, which I find a bit superfluous.  Can I tell
Lilypond to use the MiKTeX installation, and uninstall TeTeX?
Third: for LaTeX, I use TeXnicCenter.  I it possible to configure it so that
I can type Lilypond files in it, and compile (I see a possibility with
output profiles, but then lily-wins should work in the windows command
prompt too, which it doesn't seem to do).  Any suggestions?
Greetings, Hendrik
P.S.: Responses welcome in english, dutch, french, german
Bertalan Fodor wrote:
Open a command prompt where the test.ly file is. Type: start /B
test.ly Now you will be able to copy and paste the messages.
Thanks,
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Réf. : Re: using in title

2004-05-28 Thread LEGRAND Jean-Marc

Thanks for the trick.

Actually, \ is OK.


   
   
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Anything you write in the header fields is sent directly to
LaTeX which formats the titling. So, this is really a LaTeX
question, not a LilyPond question.
In ordinary LaTeX, the solution is to escape the  with a
backslash: \
However, in the LilyPond input, you have to escape the backslash
once more, so you should write \\ to get a  in the printed output.

/Mats

LEGRAND Jean-Marc wrote:
 Hi list !

 I try to have the piece

 \header { piece=Les Galans  les Dames}

 printed. But Lilly seems to be annoyed by the symbol . How can make Lily print it 
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Font problem in Postscript output with lily 2.3.2.

2004-05-28 Thread Alexandre Beneteau
Hello,
Using pedro's packages on debian unstable, I experience fonts problem : running 
lily generates good .dvi file, but wrong postscript file (gv or ggv show score 
without noteheads)...
I tried to delete the font cache, but the problem remains.

More : using dvips -f -Z on the dvi file built a good postcript file (and  also 
generate the fonts).
Trying to compile again with lily (after this cache rebuild) don't solve this 
problem

Has anybody experienced the same ?
Have I missed something ?
Or is it a lilypond problem, or debian, or package ???
TIA,
Alex.
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Re: using in title

2004-05-28 Thread Thorkil Wolvendans
Hi Jean-Marc,
The problem you face here, is due to the fact that lily doesn't print the 
text, but let's LaTeX do the printing. The '' symbol is a reserved symbol, 
which means that it has a special function in LaTex. To get the '' symbol 
printed one has to place a \ right before the '' symbol.
Thus, the corrected header should look like this:

\header {piece=Les Galans \ les Dames}
And now everything works as intended! :D
Thorkil
At 17:01 26-5-04, you wrote:
Hi list !
I try to have the piece
\header { piece=Les Galans  les Dames}
printed. But Lilly seems to be annoyed by the symbol . How can make Lily 
print it like I want ?


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Re: Still can't reduce space between beams on grace notes

2004-05-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson
This is a bit more tricky, since it's determined by the
space-function property, as described at
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.2/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/Beam.html
However, you are lucky! There's a good example in the Tips and Tricks
document on the web page, search for cue-notes.ly.
/Mats
I hope you don't find my answers too indirect, the intention is to help
you learn how to find the answer yourself the next time.

Jim Sabatke wrote:
I now have the thickness of the beams working right, but I have no idea 
of how to make the space between them smaller.

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Re: Re: My old beaming problem...

2004-05-28 Thread Joshua Koo
hi,

Thanks for your advice. I have to agree with you after finding I waste much time 
trying (unsuccessfully) to convert extracts of midi with tons of triplets, rests and 
dotted value notes.

However, midi2ly still has usefulness as it can convert software generated sequenced 
midi (eg. maybe finale) with relatively simple rythmns.

Guess I'll will have stick back to the typing style ;)

Joshua

=== At 2004-05-28, 16:34:47 you wrote: ===

It seems that almost nobody uses midi2ly for any serious job.
To input the music from scratch, writing the .ly file directly
seems to be as quick as using a MIDI keyboard and a sequencer,
especially since you typically spend much more time on the additional
annotations like slurs, dynamics, articulations, ...
The same goes if you want to transfer a score from some other format
via MIDI, since too much of the information is lost.
Therefore, there has never been any incitament to improve midi2ly.

/Mats


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Re: Grace note beams and stems

2004-05-28 Thread Stan Sanderson
On May 28, 2004, at 3:12 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
With respect to your second question, here is my solution to a  
similar problem:
\acciaccatura {\override Stem #'beamed-lengths = #'(3.6 4.2) af,16[  
af']}
The upper note was originally hidden in the beam; by adjusting the  
beamed-lengths, I was able to achieve the desired results.
Stan

Thanks Stan.  That is working!  I'm still guessing  at values,  
trying, adjusting, etc.

Is there an explanation of the values anywhere?
--  
Jim Sabatke
I have looked an explanation without success. I've inferred that the  
numbers refer to successive barred stem lengths; the example in the  
manual has three stems and three numbers.
Manual - Stems - Stem object leads you to
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.2/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond- 
internals/Stem.html
which documents the property. When you only specify two numbers, the
first one will apply to eighth notes and the second to 16th and  
shorter.

   /Mats
Mats-
The above documentation states:
beamed-lengths (list):
'(3.5 3.5 3.5 4.5 5.0)
list of stem lengths given beam multiplicity .
As stated in my previous response, the values of (list) are the source  
of my confusion. I haven't found a clear explanation of how values of  
(list) are applied. The example (which, I assume, has default values)  
shows a list of five numbers. The example which I followed had a list  
of 3 values. Unfortunately, I can't recall whether it came from the  
manual or the archives.

I was surprised that an adjustment was required in the piece I was  
coding-

 \acciaccatura { af,16[ af'] }  af c gf'8\arpeggio buried the af' in  
the bar. I'm assuming it had something to do with the chord which  
followed. It is certainly an advantage that Lilypond allows  
adjustments!

Stan

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Re: My old beaming problem...

2004-05-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Joshua Koo wrote:
1 last point is that i figure out how to play with midi2ly.
1 guess a very import thing is to specify the  quantise note durations, if not the generated ly looks really horrible.
depending on the songs, 16 or 32 seems quite good.
then of course, rests will appear as spaces, so any s u might change to r.
another trick i found is like there are certain patterns to solve the conversion mistakes.   as i could see, any slight breaks in between notes would be counted as spaces, so u normally have to change ur length and delete the spaces ... for example, 1 crotchet note might appear like this
ais8. s16
actual note is ais4
so just do a search and replace, finding all 8. s16 and replace with 4.
of course there's a possibly that ais8. s16 might mean ais8. r16 but it seems chances are ais4 for me.
and there are more troublesomes types like many rests or super long notes, 
fis16*37 s16 -- do the maths= fis16*38 = fis4*9.5
divide by the bars = fis4*4 + fis4*4 + fis4* 1.5 = 
fis1~| fis ~| fis4~fis8
There seems to be little documentation on midi2ly but i hope in future, this tool can be improve perphaps at least reducing the steps i mention above.
It seems that almost nobody uses midi2ly for any serious job.
To input the music from scratch, writing the .ly file directly
seems to be as quick as using a MIDI keyboard and a sequencer,
especially since you typically spend much more time on the additional
annotations like slurs, dynamics, articulations, ...
The same goes if you want to transfer a score from some other format
via MIDI, since too much of the information is lost.
Therefore, there has never been any incitament to improve midi2ly.
   /Mats
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Spam and newsgroup

2004-05-28 Thread Hendrik
Hello,

I've been subscribed for one day on the list, and received three spam mails
from it already!  This is not funny!  There must be a way to prevent this
right?  I mean, I could install a spam-filter, but that is not what I want.
Most of you are experienced computer users, so why is this still possible?

Second: isn't there a newsgroup about Lilypond?  Seems much more economic
and practical to me than this list where 90% of the mails I get aren't
interesting, as I don't understand them anyway (being a newbie)...

If there isn't,  anyone care to explain how I could start one up myself?

Regards, Hendrik
Hendrik Maryns
Fichtenweg 19 Zi. 9
D-72076 Tübingen
Deutschland/Duitsland
+491753353494 (Deutschland)
+32499342012 (België)

Interessante websites:
www.lieverleven.be(waarom zou ik hier toch naar verwijzen...)
www.fuckforforest.com   Voor de gefrustreerde maar tegelijk idealistische
medemens
www.die-kunst-des-spickens.de   Spicken is inderdaad spieken...



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Re: Lyrics, Tab, Titles - simple questions

2004-05-28 Thread se.e
Hi Mats, it works!!!
I've installed tetext-base and it's fine in both ways: '©' and 'LaTeX'.
Now I have to study better \stem*! :-)
Thank you very much for help.
Cheers.

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RE: Spam and newsgroup

2004-05-28 Thread Bertalan Fodor
Check gmane (www.gmane.org) and
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.general or
nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.general

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Re: Lyrics, Tab, Titles - simple questions

2004-05-28 Thread Ferenc Wagner
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 2) Tablature --
 if I've a chord (ex. {d a d'} ), [...]

In recent (2.0+) LilyPonds the chord syntax is d a d'.
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Installing and starting

2004-05-28 Thread Maria Flaate
Hello,
I decided I'd download LilyPond after continuous gushing about it from some 
of my friends. I'm not quite a whiz with computers, but I thought I'd give 
it a go. I've got Windows 98 on this machine. I think I've managed to 
download the programme, but when it came to downloading the test as 
explained in step 2, I fell out of it. I've saved the test.ly file on my 
desktop, double-clicked, but it just comes up as an html page on the 
internet. I'm fairly sure we've got a PDF viewer installed. It could be that 
I didn't manage to install it, it took about an hour, I don't know how long 
it's supposed to take.

Also, when I go to the Start menu and so on, there isn't any sign of 
LilyPond anywhere. I don't know if it's supposed to be there along with the 
things that you click on to get to Word etc. (not the icons on the desktop, 
but inside the menu--did I mention I'm not very good at computers?), but 
it'd certainly help, because I don't know how I'm supposed to get access to 
the programme otherwise.

Thank you very much for any help you can offer. I'm looking forward to using 
LilyPond!

Sincerely,
Maria Flaate
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Re: Grace note beams and stems

2004-05-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Stan Sanderson wrote:
On May 27, 2004, at 5:45 PM, Jim Sabatke wrote:
Stan Sanderson wrote:
On May 27, 2004, at 1:26 PM, Jim Sabatke wrote:
Two problems with grace note beams:
1. The beams are way too thick for my use.  I can get the single 
grace note flags really thin, but haven't been able to find what to 
set for the beams.

2. On a beamed grace note set like g32[ a' d' g], the a' note head 
is up agains the bottom beam.  How do I lengthen the stems when the 
heads are squeezed up too tightly?

Thanks,
--
Jim Sabatke
With respect to your second question, here is my solution to a 
similar problem:
\acciaccatura {\override Stem #'beamed-lengths = #'(3.6 4.2) af,16[ 
af']}
The upper note was originally hidden in the beam; by adjusting the 
beamed-lengths, I was able to achieve the desired results.
Stan

Thanks Stan.  That is working!  I'm still guessing  at values, trying, 
adjusting, etc.

Is there an explanation of the values anywhere?
--
Jim Sabatke

I have looked an explanation without success. I've inferred that the 
numbers refer to successive barred stem lengths; the example in the 
manual has three stems and three numbers.
Manual - Stems - Stem object leads you to
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.2/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/Stem.html
which documents the property. When you only specify two numbers, the
first one will apply to eighth notes and the second to 16th and shorter.
   /Mats
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Re: Page numbers and taglines

2004-05-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson
It certainly works here (version 2.2). Always tell what LilyPond version
you use when asking questions.
Where in the file did you add the lines? It has to appear either
before the \score{..} or in the end of the score block:
\score{
  ...
  \paper...
  \midi...
  \header{...}
}
   /Mats
Jim Sabatke wrote:
The following code snippet doesn't seem to either turn off page 
numbering, or to print a tagline:

\header {
%% texidoc = @cindex Bagpipe Music
title = Title
composer = Composer
piece = Piece
source = March
tagline = Printed by Lilypond from BMW source
pagenumber = no
}
I also trind pagenumber = no without quotes
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Re: Re: My old beaming problem...

2004-05-28 Thread Joshua Koo
Thanks you got what I wanted!

I almost resorted to doing 
\autoBeamOff cis8. \autoBeamOn a16  d8. a16 | 

This works!
cis8.\noBeam a16  d8. a16 | 

=)   Joshua

=== At 2004-05-28, 04:20:57 you wrote: ===

On Thursday 27 May 2004 17.59, you wrote:

 well, it began as im tried to typeset some music for mutopia,
 so i came across this section of the code where i didnt seem to match
 lilypond output with the publishing style. it was some time ago, when my
 hdd burnt, then i stop using lilypond for some while... so now perphaps its
 fixed, or there's some simple way to do, or could still be done with some
 hackary.

 d8. a'16 d8. a16 | % check beaming
 d8. [] a'16 d8. a16 | % Works but warning msgs are generated
 d8. a'16[ d8. a16] | % wrong grouping
 d8.] a'16 d8. a16 | % no difference
 d8.][ a'16 d8. a16 | % Warnings?
 d8.[ a'16 d8. a16 | % no difference?
 d8. [a']16 d8. a16 | % no difference?
 [d8.] a'16 d8. a16 | % Warnings?

I'm not 100% sure I understood you correctly, but this might be what you want:
d8.\noBeam a'16 d8. a16 |

Erik

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Re: Spam and newsgroup

2004-05-28 Thread Jan Kohnert
Am Freitag, 28. Mai 2004 13:34 schrieb Hendrik:
 Hello,

 I've been subscribed for one day on the list, and received three spam mails
 from it already!  This is not funny!  There must be a way to prevent this
 right?  I mean, I could install a spam-filter, but that is not what I want.
 Most of you are experienced computer users, so why is this still possible?

I don't get much smap over this list, but anyone can see your email address in 
the web archive so there is a high possibility to get spam. You can use a 
email address just for this list to be prepared. So your spam goes only to 
the address where you can/must expect it. :-)

 Second: isn't there a newsgroup about Lilypond?  Seems much more economic
 and practical to me than this list where 90% of the mails I get aren't
 interesting, as I don't understand them anyway (being a newbie)...

Just look at
http://www.gmane.org/
If you subscribe there and configure your news program correctly, you will 
find this list mirrored there.

 Regards, Hendrik

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Re: using in title

2004-05-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Anything you write in the header fields is sent directly to
LaTeX which formats the titling. So, this is really a LaTeX
question, not a LilyPond question.
In ordinary LaTeX, the solution is to escape the  with a
backslash: \
However, in the LilyPond input, you have to escape the backslash
once more, so you should write \\ to get a  in the printed output.
   /Mats
LEGRAND Jean-Marc wrote:
Hi list !
I try to have the piece
\header { piece=Les Galans  les Dames}
printed. But Lilly seems to be annoyed by the symbol . How can make Lily print it 
like I want ?

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Is the number of staff groups per page settable?

2004-05-28 Thread Doug Asherman
Hi:
After much use of lilypond, I've noticed that it's quite good at page 
layout; if I leave most of the settings to their defaults, I get a nice 
four staff groups per page, beautifully spaced.

What I'm wondering is: is there a variable I can set somewhere to get an 
arbitrary number of staff groups per page and have lilypond handle the 
rest of the formatting? That is, I'd like to have three or five staff 
groups per page and have lilypond handle the global staff size and all that.

Is this possible?
Thanks,
Doug
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Lily should break beam after tied notes after barlines

2004-05-28 Thread Joshua Koo
Since I started using the \noBeam, I wonder if 
Lilypond should have implicit beam breaking or \noBeam after there's a tied note from 
a preious bar.

an example.
b2~ |
b8. \noBeam fis'16 b8. fis16 |

the beam should break automatically at  \noBeam as the first tied note (b8.) is 
considered as the note from the 1st bar.

fis2 ~ |
fis8. \noBeam b,16 fis'8. a,16 |

another example. I come across doing this few times, so I thought maybe this is the 
correct way lilypond should publish the music as.

Not sure how correct am I, but maybe this could be a bug fix?

Joshua




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Re: Spam and newsgroup

2004-05-28 Thread Ferenc Wagner
Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I've been subscribed for one day on the list, and received
 three spam mails from it already!  This is not funny!

No, it isn't.  But it isn't common either.  Bad day.

 Second: isn't there a newsgroup about Lilypond?  Seems
 much more economic and practical to me than this list
 where 90% of the mails I get aren't interesting, as I
 don't understand them anyway (being a newbie)...

I don't see how it would be different from wading through
the same amount of emails, but gmane.org may be what you are
looking for.
-- 
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