the word LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Martin Tarenskeen


Hi,

Everyone who knows a bit about TeX/LaTeX knows what the result looks like 
when you use \LaTeX or \TeX in your source text.


Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word LilyPond ? 
A standard way to display LilyPond in documents and for example in 
the default lilypond tagline ?


I personally would not choose something fancy like (La)TeX uses. But we 
could at least always write LilyPond with L and P in uppercase, and 
decide about and recommend the use of a standard font, one that is 
available on every system, to use in documents and websites, for the word 
LilyPond even if the surrounding text uses a different font.


Just a thought.

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Re: the word LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/9 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl:
 Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word LilyPond ? A
 standard way to display LilyPond in documents and for example in the
 default lilypond tagline ?

Idea seems nice to me, however this was discussed before and we
couldn't decide on this.  You can search the mailing list archives; if
you create a proposal better than those rejected i guess we may be
willing to vote on it.

cheers,
Janek

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Re: number of staff lines

2012-02-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/9 Nils l...@nilsgey.de:
 I can find the link if you want.

 that would be very nice!

Here you go (watch out, 20 MB!):
http://erato.uvt.nl/files/imglnks/usimg/c/cc/IMSLP162690-SIBLEY1802.17529.6eef-39087018850539score.pdf

cheers,
Janek

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Re: number of staff lines

2012-02-09 Thread Nils
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:13:29 +0100
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/2/9 Nils l...@nilsgey.de:
  I can find the link if you want.
 
  that would be very nice!
 
 Here you go (watch out, 20 MB!):
 http://erato.uvt.nl/files/imglnks/usimg/c/cc/IMSLP162690-SIBLEY1802.17529.6eef-39087018850539score.pdf
 
 cheers,
 Janek
 


And it is from 1908! 

Nils

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote:
 I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development
 long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to
 support David K as long as he's interested).

 As I've thought about it, going after a grant seems the most logical thing
 to do.  So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the
 National Endowment for the Humanities.  NEA has nothing that looks
 interesting, unfortunately.  However, NEH has two initiatives that seem
 interesting.  One is concerned with preservation; the other is concerned
 with improve digital access to collected materials.

 Guidelines for the preservation grant (which will probably be due in July)
 are shown here:

 http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/HCRR.html


 Guidelines for the digital humanities grants are shown here:

 http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.html

Some comments:

I have tried getting grants from different EU and national bodies with
various partner institutions (including the one where Graham now
works, IIRC). My impression is that you need people (preferably many)
with lots of academic clout that can sign off on the proposal, since
LilyPond itself has little formal recognition. Also, for EU research
grants specifically, they were focused a lot on partnerships with and
things that helped small and medium enterprises, and we couldn't
invent a story around that.

As for these grants specifically: you will need to invent something
outrageously new involving LilyPond (now in its 14th year of
existence), to qualify for the startup grant; the collections
initiative looks like a better fit.

 A) Development of ly2xml
 B) Development of a lilypond scoring standard for the project, so that
 scholars would know how to compare scores.
 C) Development of score_ocr2ly, which would take a score pdf and turn it
 into .ly files matching the lilypond scoring standard

Heh.  This is a known problem, and the OCR part is very, very
difficult. It also has nothing to do with lilypond.

 So I'd like to ask the developers (and the users):  Does this seem
 interesting to you?  Is this something that is worth trying to put
 together?  Is anybody interested in contributing to a grant proposal?

I'd be happy to provide any references or recommendations for the
LilyPond project as a whole.

 If there seems to be enough interest, I'll visit with the music librarian
 at BYU, and see if there is any institutional interest.

I'd talk with someone from the local music/humanities department that
has experience with writing grants and the funding body.  Of course,
if you got grants in the past, that might be less necessary.

-- 
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Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread Brent Annable
Hi everyone,

Quick question for the group: I'm producing part books for all the fugues
in the well-tempered clavier, and I don't like the fact that the
instrument name is printed every time there's a new heading:

\book {

\header {
title = Das Wohltemperierte Clavier
composer = J.S. Bach
instrument = Superius }

\score {
\new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
\header {
title = FUGA I
piece = a 4}
  }
\score {
\new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
\header {
title = FUGA II
piece = a 4}

}
\paper { print-all-headers = ##t }
}

I'd like to use the instrument line because I do want the name of the
instrument at the top of each page, just not below the heading for each
fugue. And I'd like to use either the title or subtitle line for the
heading of each fugue, and the piece line for indicating the number of
parts. If I switch on all the headers, I get the instrument name
everywhere, and if I turn them off, I get no titles or subtitles. Can
anybody help?

TIA,

Brent.
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Re: the word LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:

 2012/2/9 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl:
 Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word LilyPond ? A
 standard way to display LilyPond in documents and for example in the
 default lilypond tagline ?

 Idea seems nice to me, however this was discussed before and we
 couldn't decide on this.  You can search the mailing list archives; if
 you create a proposal better than those rejected i guess we may be
 willing to vote on it.

A logo-like name turns out to be a nuisance in practice when you have to
maintain web sites and other media.  You should hear the people having
to deal with LaTeX.  Personally, I'd not mind to get rid of the
capital P officially, so I am rather leaning in the opposite direction.

-- 
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Re: number of staff lines

2012-02-09 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:

 2012/2/7 Nils l...@nilsgey.de:
 I talked to a few persons in the university today and they all
 agreed that the line on which a clef is is variable for any number
 of lines.
 But a clef should be never be in between lines, which is what Lilypond does.

 I've seen an engraving of Handel's Messiah in which tenors were
 notated using C clef placed between 3rd and 4th line.  Quite smart,
 i'd say, because C clef placed this way is equivalent to G clef
 transposed down an octave.
 I can find the link if you want.

The old clefs reminiscent of chant notation can sit IIRC on either lines
or in between.  The more modern clefs are rather fixed.  In practice,
anything but the C clef is not seen shifted vertically, and even the C
clef is only seen on anywhere but the middle line mainly in Baroque
music and earlier.

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Re: the word LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/2/9 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl:

 Hi,

 Everyone who knows a bit about TeX/LaTeX knows what the result looks like
 when you use \LaTeX or \TeX in your source text.

 Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word LilyPond ? A
 standard way to display LilyPond in documents and for example in the
 default lilypond tagline ?

 I personally would not choose something fancy like (La)TeX uses.

This is my proposal (I did it just for fun a while ago)

lilypond = \markup {
  \raise #0.4 \epsfile #X #4 #schematic-lilypond-logo.eps
  \epsfile #X #10 #lilypond-logo-fvila-G.eps
  %\raise #1.7 {\tiny (.org)}
}   

{ c' }

\lilypond

%%END

Files attached.

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www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com
attachment: document.png

lilypond-logo-fvila-G.eps
Description: PostScript document


schematic-lilypond-logo.eps
Description: PostScript document
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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Brent Annable
Just an idea: how about a Kickstarter  http://www.kickstarter.com/project?
Or has this already been considered?

Brent.

On 9 February 2012 12:08, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote:
  I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development
  long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to
  support David K as long as he's interested).
 
  As I've thought about it, going after a grant seems the most logical
 thing
  to do.  So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the
  National Endowment for the Humanities.  NEA has nothing that looks
  interesting, unfortunately.  However, NEH has two initiatives that seem
  interesting.  One is concerned with preservation; the other is concerned
  with improve digital access to collected materials.
 
  Guidelines for the preservation grant (which will probably be due in
 July)
  are shown here:
 
  http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/HCRR.html
 
 
  Guidelines for the digital humanities grants are shown here:
 
  http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.html

 Some comments:

 I have tried getting grants from different EU and national bodies with
 various partner institutions (including the one where Graham now
 works, IIRC). My impression is that you need people (preferably many)
 with lots of academic clout that can sign off on the proposal, since
 LilyPond itself has little formal recognition. Also, for EU research
 grants specifically, they were focused a lot on partnerships with and
 things that helped small and medium enterprises, and we couldn't
 invent a story around that.

 As for these grants specifically: you will need to invent something
 outrageously new involving LilyPond (now in its 14th year of
 existence), to qualify for the startup grant; the collections
 initiative looks like a better fit.

  A) Development of ly2xml
  B) Development of a lilypond scoring standard for the project, so that
  scholars would know how to compare scores.
  C) Development of score_ocr2ly, which would take a score pdf and turn it
  into .ly files matching the lilypond scoring standard

 Heh.  This is a known problem, and the OCR part is very, very
 difficult. It also has nothing to do with lilypond.

  So I'd like to ask the developers (and the users):  Does this seem
  interesting to you?  Is this something that is worth trying to put
  together?  Is anybody interested in contributing to a grant proposal?

 I'd be happy to provide any references or recommendations for the
 LilyPond project as a whole.

  If there seems to be enough interest, I'll visit with the music librarian
  at BYU, and see if there is any institutional interest.

 I'd talk with someone from the local music/humanities department that
 has experience with writing grants and the funding body.  Of course,
 if you got grants in the past, that might be less necessary.

 --
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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Nils
Kickstarter is USA only.

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:01:08 +0100
Brent Annable brentanna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just an idea: how about a Kickstarter  http://www.kickstarter.com/project?
 Or has this already been considered?
 
 Brent.
 
 On 9 February 2012 12:08, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote:
   I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development
   long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to
   support David K as long as he's interested).
  
   As I've thought about it, going after a grant seems the most logical
  thing
   to do.  So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the
   National Endowment for the Humanities.  NEA has nothing that looks
   interesting, unfortunately.  However, NEH has two initiatives that seem
   interesting.  One is concerned with preservation; the other is concerned
   with improve digital access to collected materials.
  
   Guidelines for the preservation grant (which will probably be due in
  July)
   are shown here:
  
   http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/HCRR.html
  
  
   Guidelines for the digital humanities grants are shown here:
  
   http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/digitalhumanitiesstartup.html
 
  Some comments:
 
  I have tried getting grants from different EU and national bodies with
  various partner institutions (including the one where Graham now
  works, IIRC). My impression is that you need people (preferably many)
  with lots of academic clout that can sign off on the proposal, since
  LilyPond itself has little formal recognition. Also, for EU research
  grants specifically, they were focused a lot on partnerships with and
  things that helped small and medium enterprises, and we couldn't
  invent a story around that.
 
  As for these grants specifically: you will need to invent something
  outrageously new involving LilyPond (now in its 14th year of
  existence), to qualify for the startup grant; the collections
  initiative looks like a better fit.
 
   A) Development of ly2xml
   B) Development of a lilypond scoring standard for the project, so that
   scholars would know how to compare scores.
   C) Development of score_ocr2ly, which would take a score pdf and turn it
   into .ly files matching the lilypond scoring standard
 
  Heh.  This is a known problem, and the OCR part is very, very
  difficult. It also has nothing to do with lilypond.
 
   So I'd like to ask the developers (and the users):  Does this seem
   interesting to you?  Is this something that is worth trying to put
   together?  Is anybody interested in contributing to a grant proposal?
 
  I'd be happy to provide any references or recommendations for the
  LilyPond project as a whole.
 
   If there seems to be enough interest, I'll visit with the music librarian
   at BYU, and see if there is any institutional interest.
 
  I'd talk with someone from the local music/humanities department that
  has experience with writing grants and the funding body.  Of course,
  if you got grants in the past, that might be less necessary.
 
  --
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Re: number of staff lines

2012-02-09 Thread Mark Knoop
At 12:04 on 09 Feb 2012, David Kastrup wrote:
The old clefs reminiscent of chant notation can sit IIRC on either
lines or in between.  The more modern clefs are rather fixed.  In
practice, anything but the C clef is not seen shifted vertically, and
even the C clef is only seen on anywhere but the middle line mainly in
Baroque music and earlier.

The tenor clef (on the 4th line) is very common in cello, bassoon,
trombone music.

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Re: the word LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread James
Francisco,

On 9 February 2012 11:45, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote:
 2012/2/9 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl:

 Hi,

 Everyone who knows a bit about TeX/LaTeX knows what the result looks like
 when you use \LaTeX or \TeX in your source text.

 Wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for the word LilyPond ? A
 standard way to display LilyPond in documents and for example in the
 default lilypond tagline ?

 I personally would not choose something fancy like (La)TeX uses.

 This is my proposal (I did it just for fun a while ago)

 lilypond = \markup {
  \raise #0.4 \epsfile #X #4 #schematic-lilypond-logo.eps
  \epsfile #X #10 #lilypond-logo-fvila-G.eps
  %\raise #1.7 {\tiny (.org)}
 }

 { c' }

 \lilypond

 %%END

 Files attached.


I like the lilypad and flowers 'icon', but with the typography (and
maybe it's just me) all I can see are 'buttocks'

;)


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Re: Spanish user list reaches 100

2012-02-09 Thread Pato Press
Hi!
I don't know if it happens to others but I'm a spanish speaker and live in
a spanish speaking country. I'm only in the general list. Probably I can be
counted as one more to the spanish list ;)

Todos los idiomas sean bienvenidos!
Un Abrazo!
tdy

2012/2/8 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com

 Hello all,
 It may look small, I know. It _is_ a small list. But let's face it,
 LilyPond has still a relatively reduced share, and the
 Spanish-speaking community is just starting to exist. Though if we
 compare this to our main TeX list which is rather old and has 440
 subscribers, I think the overall is no too bad.

 I wanted to share this with the general list as it is good news for me
 as the founder.

 Thanks
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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread -Eluze


Brent Annable wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Quick question for the group: I'm producing part books for all the fugues
 in the well-tempered clavier, and I don't like the fact that the
 instrument name is printed every time there's a new heading:
 
 \book {
 
 \header {
 title = Das Wohltemperierte Clavier
 composer = J.S. Bach
 instrument = Superius }
 
 \score {
 \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
 \header {
 title = FUGA I
 piece = a 4}
   }
 \score {
 \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
 \header {
 title = FUGA II
 piece = a 4}
 
 }
 \paper { print-all-headers = ##t }
 }
 
 I'd like to use the instrument line because I do want the name of the
 instrument at the top of each page, just not below the heading for each
 fugue. And I'd like to use either the title or subtitle line for the
 heading of each fugue, and the piece line for indicating the number of
 parts. If I switch on all the headers, I get the instrument name
 everywhere, and if I turn them off, I get no titles or subtitles. Can
 anybody help?
 
 

you can customize the layout with
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation-big-page#custom-layout-for-headers-and-footers

hth
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Re: the word LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/2/9 James pkx1...@gmail.com:
 Francisco,
 I like the lilypad and flowers 'icon', but with the typography (and
 maybe it's just me) all I can see are 'buttocks'

Ah, blame your eyes! I see arabic script and half notes ;-) Yes, it's
way too stylized.

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Re: Spanish user list reaches 100

2012-02-09 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/2/9 Pato Press tdy.p...@gmail.com:
 Hi!
 I don't know if it happens to others but I'm a spanish speaker and live in a
 spanish speaking country. I'm only in the general list. Probably I can be
 counted as one more to the spanish list ;)

I think that to be counted you need to be an actual subscriber :-)

Please subscribe here to be the 101st
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-es

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread Brent Annable
Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and then
suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.

Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
didn't reveal anything.

Brent.

On 9 February 2012 15:07, -Eluze elu...@gmail.com wrote:



 Brent Annable wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
 
  Quick question for the group: I'm producing part books for all the fugues
  in the well-tempered clavier, and I don't like the fact that the
  instrument name is printed every time there's a new heading:
 
  \book {
 
  \header {
  title = Das Wohltemperierte Clavier
  composer = J.S. Bach
  instrument = Superius }
 
  \score {
  \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
  \header {
  title = FUGA I
  piece = a 4}
}
  \score {
  \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
  \header {
  title = FUGA II
  piece = a 4}
 
  }
  \paper { print-all-headers = ##t }
  }
 
  I'd like to use the instrument line because I do want the name of the
  instrument at the top of each page, just not below the heading for each
  fugue. And I'd like to use either the title or subtitle line for the
  heading of each fugue, and the piece line for indicating the number of
  parts. If I switch on all the headers, I get the instrument name
  everywhere, and if I turn them off, I get no titles or subtitles. Can
  anybody help?
 
 

 you can customize the layout with

 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation-big-page#custom-layout-for-headers-and-footers

 hth
 Eluze
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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread Brent Annable
Actually, now that I think about it, the default 'instrument' line
behaviour in the header seems a little odd to me. Does the instrument
really need to be so demonstratively announced between movements or pieces
if they are all part of the same document?

Brent.

On 9 February 2012 15:22, Brent Annable brentanna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and

then suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.

 Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
 didn't reveal anything.

 Brent.


 On 9 February 2012 15:07, -Eluze elu...@gmail.com wrote:



 Brent Annable wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
 
  Quick question for the group: I'm producing part books for all the
 fugues
  in the well-tempered clavier, and I don't like the fact that the
  instrument name is printed every time there's a new heading:
 
  \book {
 
  \header {
  title = Das Wohltemperierte Clavier
  composer = J.S. Bach
  instrument = Superius }
 
  \score {
  \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
  \header {
  title = FUGA I
  piece = a 4}
}
  \score {
  \new Staff { \relative c' {c1} }
  \header {
  title = FUGA II
  piece = a 4}
 
  }
  \paper { print-all-headers = ##t }
  }
 
  I'd like to use the instrument line because I do want the name of the
  instrument at the top of each page, just not below the heading for each
  fugue. And I'd like to use either the title or subtitle line for the
  heading of each fugue, and the piece line for indicating the number of
  parts. If I switch on all the headers, I get the instrument name
  everywhere, and if I turn them off, I get no titles or subtitles. Can
  anybody help?
 
 

 you can customize the layout with

 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation-big-page#custom-layout-for-headers-and-footers

 hth
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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread David Kastrup
Brent Annable brentanna...@gmail.com writes:

 Actually, now that I think about it, the default 'instrument' line
 behaviour in the header seems a little odd to me. Does the instrument
 really need to be so demonstratively announced between movements or
 pieces if they are all part of the same document?

It is common for wind instrument players to have to switch instruments
between parts.

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Re: Spanish user list reaches 100

2012-02-09 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 8 February 2012 15:53, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,
 It may look small, I know. It _is_ a small list. But let's face it,
 LilyPond has still a relatively reduced share, and the
 Spanish-speaking community is just starting to exist. Though if we
 compare this to our main TeX list which is rather old and has 440
 subscribers, I think the overall is no too bad.

 I wanted to share this with the general list as it is good news for me
 as the founder.

Hi Francisco,

Congratulations!
Seems a fast-growing community, when did you create it again?

I just checked, the French-speaking community counts 198 subscribers.
But the traffic is calmer than the international lilypond-user.

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: the word LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/9 James pkx1...@gmail.com:
 I like the lilypad and flowers 'icon', but with the typography (and
 maybe it's just me) all I can see are 'buttocks'

+1, lol!

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 9 February 2012 15:22, Brent Annable brentanna...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and then
 suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.

 Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
 didn't reveal anything.

Hi,

Add

  instrument = 

in the header of FUGA II.
Should be OK for all subsequent scores.

Cheers,
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Re: Spanish user list reaches 100

2012-02-09 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com:
 Seems a fast-growing community, when did you create it again?

Evidences say 2009-12. I brought some people from a now-extinct
musiccomputing list.

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override TupletNumber . Custom text

2012-02-09 Thread Nils
Hello, 

I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear which version 
of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).

Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have become, I would 
like to change the 3:2 of a triplet in a more correct 2/3.

How can I get this format into

\override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old: #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text


greetings, 

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Re: grace note issue/bug

2012-02-09 Thread Pavel Roskin
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:20:53 -0800 (PST)
lily-user qroup...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Eluze,
 
 I tried what Phil suggested (See 
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation/special-rhythmic-concerns#grace-notes
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/notation/special-rhythmic-concerns#grace-notes
  
 Known issues and warnings. ), which is synchronizing the grace note
 with the 2 staves in my simple example. But, it doesn't work with a
 complex example. I think there should be a better solution for the
 problem. 

It should be possible to imitate the grace note while taking the
duration from the following note.  Look for graceSettings in
ly/engraver-init.ly for the full list of settings.  The downside is
that the grace note is aligned with the first note in other Staves,
although it may be what you want:

\score {
  \new PianoStaff 
\new Staff {
  \once \override Stem #'font-size = #-3
  \once \override Flag #'font-size = #-3 % not for Lilypond 2.14
  \once \override NoteHead #'font-size = #-3
  \once \override Stem #'length-fraction = #0.8
  g'8*1/2 _( c''4*3/4 ) d''4
}
\new Staff { \clef bass c4 d4 }
  
  \layout {}
}

g'8*1/2 is shown as 1/8 but plays as 1/16.  c''4*3/4 is shown as 1/4
but plays as 3/16.

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Re: the word LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Helge Kruse

Am 09.02.2012 12:45, schrieb Francisco Vila:


Files attached.


I dislike the binocles at the right hand side.

Helge

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development onLilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - 
From: Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com

To: Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu


C) Development of score_ocr2ly, which would take a score pdf and turn it
into .ly files matching the lilypond scoring standard


Heh.  This is a known problem, and the OCR part is very, very
difficult. It also has nothing to do with lilypond.



There are a number of commercial products that, given a perfect 
representation of a score, convert it to perfect musicXML - so it can't be 
that hard.  It may simply be that the OS community do not generally have 
these skills.


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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support developmentonLilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - 
From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org

There are a number of commercial violinists.  Does that mean that
playing the violin can't be that hard?



It's not.  I know loads of fiddlers...


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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Carl Sorensen


On 2/9/12 5:38 AM, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:

Kickstarter is USA only.

But someone in the USA can do a kickstarter project and spend the money
any way they want to.

I thought about kickstarter as well.  But what would you promise the
investors as return on the project?  A free copy of LilyPond?  Not much of
an advantage for an open-source software package.

Any thoughts you have on this subject would be welcome.  It's much easier
to put together a kickstarter proposal than a NEH grant.

Thanks,

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread Tim Reeves
 Message: 5
 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:05:18 +0100
 From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org
 To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?
 Message-ID: 874nv0nj2p@fencepost.gnu.org
 Content-Type: text/plain
 
 Brent Annable brentanna...@gmail.com writes:
 
  Actually, now that I think about it, the default 'instrument' line
  behaviour in the header seems a little odd to me. Does the instrument
  really need to be so demonstratively announced between movements or
  pieces if they are all part of the same document?
 
 It is common for wind instrument players to have to switch instruments
 between parts.
 
 -- 
 David Kastrup

It might be somewhat common for wind musicians to switch instruments 
during the course of a multi-movement work, or even during a movement, but 
it is not common to notate which instrument to play (apart from the top of 
the page) UNTIL one has to change.
I'm a horn player, so I'm not switching physical instruments except by my 
own choice (and I don't), but we frequently have different transpositions 
(which correspond to switching horns or crooks back in the old days) 
within a work, and I can assure you that the normal practice is to 
*assume* horn in F, until told otherwise. Clarinet players switch actual 
instruments more than anyone I'd say, and I don't play clarinet, so I 
can't speak to that, but I have a feeling that they likewise assume B-flat 
until they are told something else.

Tim Reeves

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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

2012-02-09 Thread Pavel Roskin
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:

 Hello, 
 
 I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
 which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).
 
 Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
 become, I would like to change the 3:2 of a triplet in a more
 correct 2/3.
 
 How can I get this format into
 
 \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
 #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text

{
  \override TupletNumber #'text = \markup { 2/3 }
  \times 2/3 { c'4 e' g' }
}

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Re: the word LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread jakob lund
9. feb. 2012 17.21 skrev Helge Kruse helge.kruse-nos...@gmx.net:
 Am 09.02.2012 12:45, schrieb Francisco Vila:


 Files attached.


 I dislike the binocles at the right hand side.

I like those ;-)


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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

2012-02-09 Thread jakob lund
9. feb. 2012 19.25 skrev Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org:
 On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
 Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:

 Hello,

 I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
 which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).

 Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
 become, I would like to change the 3:2 of a triplet in a more
 correct 2/3.

 How can I get this format into

 \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
 #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text

The original function is defined in scm/output-lib.scm, and can be
modified easily:

correctFraction = #(lambda (grob)
  (let ((ev (event-cause grob)))
(format #f ~a/~a
(ly:event-property ev 'numerator)
(ly:event-property ev 'denominator

 {
   \override TupletNumber #'text = \correctFraction
   \times 2/3 { c'4 e' g' }
 }


Jakob

 {
  \override TupletNumber #'text = \markup { 2/3 }
  \times 2/3 { c'4 e' g' }
 }

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support developmentonLilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread James
On 9 February 2012 16:40, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
 - Original Message - From: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org

 There are a number of commercial violinists.  Does that mean that
 playing the violin can't be that hard?


 It's not.  I know loads of fiddlers...

Me too, one of them just got let off by HMRC and is now possible
candidate for the England Manager ;)


-- 
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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread Tim Roberts
Tim Reeves wrote:
 Clarinet players switch actual 
 instruments more than anyone I'd say, and I don't play clarinet, so I 
 can't speak to that, but I have a feeling that they likewise assume B-flat 
 until they are told something else.

Band players can.  Orchestral players really can't make assumptions.  A
survey of orchestral clarinet parts done a decade or so ago showed a
distribution of about 40% clarinet in A, 40% clarinet in Bb, and 20%
clarinet in C, with a smattering of other oddities.

-- 
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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

2012-02-09 Thread Pavel Roskin
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:50:24 +0100
jakob lund jakob.be...@gmail.com wrote:

 9. feb. 2012 19.25 skrev Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org:
  On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
  Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
  which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).
 
  Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
  become, I would like to change the 3:2 of a triplet in a more
  correct 2/3.
 
  How can I get this format into
 
  \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
  #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text
 
 The original function is defined in scm/output-lib.scm, and can be
 modified easily:

Once I sent my reply, I realized that the poster was asking for
something more automatic.  So I started with
tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text and
tuplet-number::append-note-wrapper and reduced them to this:

{
  #(define ((tuplet-fraction) grob)
(let ((ev (event-cause grob)))
  (markup
(format #f ~a/~a
  (ly:event-property ev 'numerator)
  (ly:event-property ev 'denominator)
  \override TupletNumber #'text = #(tuplet-fraction)
  \times 2/3 { c'4 e' g' }
}

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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

2012-02-09 Thread Nils
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:50:24 +0100
jakob lund jakob.be...@gmail.com wrote:

 9. feb. 2012 19.25 skrev Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org:
  On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
  Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
  which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).
 
  Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
  become, I would like to change the 3:2 of a triplet in a more
  correct 2/3.
 
  How can I get this format into
 
  \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
  #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text
 
 The original function is defined in scm/output-lib.scm, and can be
 modified easily:

Thank you two very much. 
Finally there is no mistunderstanding anymore when seeing something like this: 
http://lily.sytes.net/v2k2ju/1

Nils

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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

2012-02-09 Thread jakob lund
9. feb. 2012 21.13 skrev Nils l...@nilsgey.de:
 On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:50:24 +0100
 jakob lund jakob.be...@gmail.com wrote:

 9. feb. 2012 19.25 skrev Pavel Roskin pro...@gnu.org:
  On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:15:50 +0100
  Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  I like to work with full tuplet numbers because it makes it clear
  which version of quintuplet is meant (2:5 or 4:5).
 
  Since I don't like errors, however 'traditional' they may have
  become, I would like to change the 3:2 of a triplet in a more
  correct 2/3.
 
  How can I get this format into
 
  \override TupletNumber #'text = [...]   %old:
  #tuplet-number::calc-fraction-text

 The original function is defined in scm/output-lib.scm, and can be
 modified easily:

 Thank you two very much.
 Finally there is no mistunderstanding anymore when seeing something like 
 this: http://lily.sytes.net/v2k2ju/1

All very well. However, in that example, the first bar appears to be
only four beats, and the cause seems to be the
Default_bar_line_engraver
Isn't that wierd?

The same happens here:
http://lily.sytes.net/wi55ub/1

Is it some sort of bug or am I too long past my bedtime :-/

That is one neat web app btw!


Jakob


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Re: repeat barlines with wings?

2012-02-09 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 9 February 2012 04:50, Shevek s...@saultobin.com wrote:

 I'm used to seeing repeat barlines with wings (like in the picture I've
 attached). Is there a way to do this in Lilypond?

 http://old.nabble.com/file/p33290846/reapetbarsci9.png

Yeah, that would be nice.
You call it wings I think I call them big ears, don't know why!  ;D

I can't remind somebody doing such request and find nothing related on
the LSR, in the doc or within the mailing lists archive, sorry.

I think you could ask for it as a new feature request on the tracker,
that would be one thing at least.

Cheers,
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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Saul Tobin
For what it's worth, I know of several musicians who have successfully funded 
international Kickstarter projects.

On Thursday, February 09, 2012 09:40:22 AM Carl Sorensen wrote:
 On 2/9/12 5:38 AM, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:
 Kickstarter is USA only.
 
 But someone in the USA can do a kickstarter project and spend the money
 any way they want to.
 
 I thought about kickstarter as well.  But what would you promise the
 investors as return on the project?  A free copy of LilyPond?  Not much of
 an advantage for an open-source software package.
 
 Any thoughts you have on this subject would be welcome.  It's much easier
 to put together a kickstarter proposal than a NEH grant.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: override TupletNumber . Custom text

2012-02-09 Thread Pavel Roskin
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:45:55 +0100
jakob lund jakob.be...@gmail.com wrote:

 All very well. However, in that example, the first bar appears to be
 only four beats, and the cause seems to be the
 Default_bar_line_engraver

You mean it's three beats?

 Isn't that wierd?

It's weird indeed.  If Default_bar_line_engraver is placed above
Timing_translator, then the beats are correct.

 The same happens here:
 http://lily.sytes.net/wi55ub/1

And here:
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=673

 That is one neat web app btw!

Yes.  But I wish Shift-Del and Shift-Ins worked as expected.

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Re: repeat barlines with wings?

2012-02-09 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi Shevek,

2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com:
 On 9 February 2012 04:50, Shevek s...@saultobin.com wrote:

 I'm used to seeing repeat barlines with wings (like in the picture I've
 attached). Is there a way to do this in Lilypond?

 http://old.nabble.com/file/p33290846/reapetbarsci9.png

 Yeah, that would be nice.
 You call it wings I think I call them big ears, don't know why!  ;D

 I can't remind somebody doing such request and find nothing related on
 the LSR, in the doc or within the mailing lists archive, sorry.

 I think you could ask for it as a new feature request on the tracker,
 that would be one thing at least.

 Cheers,
 Xavier

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this was discussed in the german forum some time ago:
http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=879.0

We developed the attached work-around.

BTW in output-lib.scm you can find brace and bracket in the
bar-glyph-alist. AFAIK they aren't used anywhere. So any work-around
has to fiddle about the line-breaks.

HTH,
  Harm

P.S. Please note that the file uses 2.12.3.
\version 2.12.3

\layout { 
indent = 10 
short-indent = 10
}
\paper {
ragged-right =##f
}

#(define-markup-command (lthskip layout props amount) (number?)
  ;; lthskip = line-thickness skip
  (let ((l-th (ly:output-def-lookup layout 'line-thickness)))
(ly:make-stencil  (cons 0 (* amount l-th)) '(0 . 0) )))

#(define my-bar-glyph-alist
  '((:|: . (:| . |:
  
#(define (my-bar-line::calc-glyph-name grob)
   (let* (
  ; inlined this from lily-library.scm, since it isn't public
  (index-cell (lambda (cell dir)
(if (equal? dir 1)
(cdr cell)
(car cell
  (glyph (ly:grob-property grob 'glyph))
  (dir (ly:item-break-dir grob))
  (result (assoc glyph  my-bar-glyph-alist))
  (glyph-name (if (= dir CENTER)
  glyph
  (if (and result (string? (index-cell (cdr result) dir)))
  (index-cell (cdr result) -1)
  #f)))
  )
 glyph-name))

#(define (rotate-at-line-begin g)
  Rotate an item, but only at the start of the line.
  (if (and (ly:item? g)
	   (equal? (ly:item-break-dir g) RIGHT))
	   (ly:grob-set-property! g 'rotation (list 180 0 0))
  ))
  
startRepeatBracket = {
	\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil =
	#(lambda (grob)
	  (ly:stencil-add
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y UP
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:musicglyph brackettips.up))
	  -0.1 0)
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y DOWN
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:musicglyph brackettips.down))
	  -0.1 0)))	  
	\bar |:
}

stopRepeatBracket = {
	\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil =
	#(lambda (grob)
	  (ly:stencil-add
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y UP
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup 
	  #:concat (
	  #:lthskip 6
	  #:right-align
	  #:rotate 180 
	  #:musicglyph brackettips.down )))
	  -0.1 0)
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y DOWN
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:concat (
	  #:lthskip 6
	  #:right-align
	  #:rotate 180 
	  #:musicglyph brackettips.up )))
	  -0.1 0)))	  
	\bar :|
}

combinedRepeatBracket = {
	\once \override Staff.BarLine #'stencil =
	#(lambda (grob)
	  (ly:stencil-add
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y UP
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:concat (
	  #:lthskip 3
	  #:concat (
	#:right-align
	#:vcenter
	#:rotate 180 #:musicglyph brackettips.down
	#:lthskip 3
	#:vcenter
	#:musicglyph brackettips.up
	  -0.1 0)
	(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
	  (ly:bar-line::print grob)
	  Y DOWN
	  (grob-interpret-markup grob (markup
	#:concat (
	  #:lthskip 3
	  #:concat (
	#:right-align
	#:vcenter
	#:rotate 180 #:musicglyph brackettips.up
	#:lthskip 3
	#:vcenter
	#:musicglyph brackettips.down
	  -0.1 0)))
	\bar :|:
}

Break =  {
\once\override Staff.BarLine #'glyph-name = #my-bar-line::calc-glyph-name
\once\override Staff.BarLine #'after-line-breaking = #rotate-at-line-begin  
\bar :|:
\break 
}

%- Test 


%#(set-global-staff-size 11.22) %% smallest recommended staff size
#(set-global-staff-size 20) %% default 

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/9 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu:
 On 2/9/12 5:38 AM, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:

Kickstarter is USA only.

 But someone in the USA can do a kickstarter project and spend the money
 any way they want to.

 I thought about kickstarter as well.  But what would you promise the
 investors as return on the project?  A free copy of LilyPond?  Not much of
 an advantage for an open-source software package.

Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
do the typesetting part.

cheers,
Janek

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:

 Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
 about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
 piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
 typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
 do the typesetting part.

And if you add a musician that would do a recording of the piece and
release it for free (as in free software, not only free beer)
you would obtain something like the Open Goldberg Variations project.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/293573191/open-goldberg-variations-setting-bach-free
There it's MuseScore that is used as typesetting software.
http://musescore.org/en/node/10118

There is also the idea of a LilyPond score sharing website, similar
to musescore.com .  http://musescore.com/upgrade

As I said: IIRC lasconic (Nicolas Froment) said the 3 main developers
of MuseScore (Werner Schweer, Thomas Bonte and himself) are now working
full-time on MuseScore [thanks to their fundings].

Several users/contributers, including Janek, showed some interest in
a MuseScore-LilyPond synergy.  BTW I have read that there is a project
of Smart coupling between Audiveris (open-source Optical Music
Recognition) and MuseScore.
http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/audiveris
A kind of synergy (in both directions) between the file format of
musescore and .ly would also allow a conversion
musicxml - musescore - .ly .  Don't know if that would be easy
though.

I sent an e-mail to lasconic to have further informations about all I
say (all I kind of remember).

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Nils
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:04:35 +0100
Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
 
  Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
  about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
  piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
  typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
  do the typesetting part.
 
 And if you add a musician that would do a recording of the piece and
 release it for free (as in free software, not only free beer)
 you would obtain something like the Open Goldberg Variations project.
 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/293573191/open-goldberg-variations-setting-bach-free
 There it's MuseScore that is used as typesetting software.
 http://musescore.org/en/node/10118
 
 There is also the idea of a LilyPond score sharing website, similar
 to musescore.com .  http://musescore.com/upgrade
 
 As I said: IIRC lasconic (Nicolas Froment) said the 3 main developers
 of MuseScore (Werner Schweer, Thomas Bonte and himself) are now working
 full-time on MuseScore [thanks to their fundings].
 
 Several users/contributers, including Janek, showed some interest in
 a MuseScore-LilyPond synergy.  BTW I have read that there is a project
 of Smart coupling between Audiveris (open-source Optical Music
 Recognition) and MuseScore.
 http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/audiveris
 A kind of synergy (in both directions) between the file format of
 musescore and .ly would also allow a conversion
 musicxml - musescore - .ly .  Don't know if that would be easy
 though.
 
 I sent an e-mail to lasconic to have further informations about all I
 say (all I kind of remember).
 
 Cheers,
 Xavier
 
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 Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com
 

Don't use musescore. Lilypond  Musescore is like Photoshop and MS Paint.
Just because there is no famous GUI which is made for Lilypond does not mean to 
take the second best.

Nils

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com:
 2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:

 Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
 about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
 piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
 typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
 do the typesetting part.

 And if you add a musician that would do a recording of the piece and
 release it for free (as in free software, not only free beer)
 you would obtain something like the Open Goldberg Variations project.
 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/293573191/open-goldberg-variations-setting-bach-free
 There it's MuseScore that is used as typesetting software.

8O
$23 000... Unbelievable!!  So simple and so effective.
Heck, let's do it!
Do you know of any famous pieces of music without freely accessible
scores?  I have only one shot now, but it isn't perfect: Samuel
Barber's Adagio for Strings was composed in 1936 but the composer
died not-so-long-ago (1981).  Still, it's possible that in some
countries the work itself might be out of copyright.

 Several users/contributers, including Janek, showed some interest in
 a MuseScore-LilyPond synergy.  BTW I have read that there is a project
 of Smart coupling between Audiveris (open-source Optical Music
 Recognition) and MuseScore.
 http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/audiveris
 A kind of synergy (in both directions) between the file format of
 musescore and .ly would also allow a conversion
 musicxml - musescore - .ly .

I feel motivated to write down my thoughts on this topic :)

cheers,
Janek

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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:00:21AM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote:
 Do you know of any famous pieces of music without freely accessible
 scores?  I have only one shot now, but it isn't perfect: Samuel
 Barber's Adagio for Strings was composed in 1936 but the composer
 died not-so-long-ago (1981).  Still, it's possible that in some
 countries the work itself might be out of copyright.

I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but I believe that
this work is still in copyright in every country that is a
signatory to the Berne convention -- which means pretty much
everywhere.

- Graham

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread -Eluze


Brent Annable wrote:
 
 Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and then
 suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.
 
that will probably not be sufficient…


 Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
 didn't reveal anything.
 
 
I couldn't find a detailed documentation.

I never have used this before, but I stumbled over customizing the
oddFooterMarkup when trying to include score variables (book variables seem
to work). 
if I don't succeed soon I'll file a report/question on the bug list.

Eluze
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Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Nick Payne

On 10/02/12 10:00, Janek Warchoł wrote:

2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuerx.sche...@gmail.com:

2012/2/9 Janek Warchołjanek.lilyp...@gmail.com:

Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what
about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous
piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between
typesetter and programmer who implements necessary features.  I could
do the typesetting part.

And if you add a musician that would do a recording of the piece and
release it for free (as in free software, not only free beer)
you would obtain something like the Open Goldberg Variations project.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/293573191/open-goldberg-variations-setting-bach-free
There it's MuseScore that is used as typesetting software.

8O
$23 000... Unbelievable!!  So simple and so effective.
Heck, let's do it!
Do you know of any famous pieces of music without freely accessible
scores?  I have only one shot now, but it isn't perfect: Samuel
Barber's Adagio for Strings was composed in 1936 but the composer
died not-so-long-ago (1981).  Still, it's possible that in some
countries the work itself might be out of copyright.


The minimum required by the Berne convention is 50 years beyond the 
authors death before a work becomes public domain. Here in Australia, as 
in the US and EU, it's 70 years. So if Barber died in 1981, his works 
won't become public domain until 2051. And depending on the country, the 
publication from which you were working would also have had to be 
published before 1981.


Nick

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Re: Instrument line in header block - first piece only?

2012-02-09 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi,

2012/2/10 -Eluze elu...@gmail.com:


 Brent Annable wrote:

 Ok, so it looks like I need to include print-all-headers = ##t, and then
 suppress the 'instrument' line in all subsequent scores.

 that will probably not be sufficient…


 Can someone direct me to a document describing how to do that? My search
 didn't reveal anything.


 I couldn't find a detailed documentation.

 I never have used this before, but I stumbled over customizing the
 oddFooterMarkup when trying to include score variables (book variables seem
 to work).
 if I don't succeed soon I'll file a report/question on the bug list.

 Eluze
 --
 View this message in context: 
 http://old.nabble.com/Instrument-line-in-header-block---first-piece-only--tp33292446p33297275.html
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regarding titling-init.ly I think it's not a bug but intended behaviour.

Of course scoreTitleMarkup can be redefined:


\version 2.14.2

myScoreTitle = \markup {
\override #'(baseline-skip . 3.5)
\column {
  \fill-line { \fromproperty #'header:dedication }
  \override #'(baseline-skip . 3.5)
  \column {
\huge \larger \bold
\fill-line {
  \larger \fromproperty #'header:title
}
\fill-line {
  \large \smaller \bold
  \larger \fromproperty #'header:subtitle
}
\fill-line {
  \smaller \bold
  \fromproperty #'header:subsubtitle
}
\fill-line {
  \fromproperty #'header:poet
  % { \large \bold \fromproperty #'header:instrument }
  \null %\fromproperty #'header:composer
}
\fill-line {
  \fromproperty #'header:meter
  \fromproperty #'header:arranger
}
\fill-line {
  \fromproperty #'header:piece
  \fromproperty #'header:opus
}
  }
}
}

music = \relative c' {
\repeat unfold 10 { c1 \break }
\pageBreak
\repeat unfold 10 { c1 \break }
\bar |.
}

\paper {
ragged-right = ##f
ragged-last-bottom = ##f
scoreTitleMarkup = \myScoreTitle
}


\book {
\header {
title = Das Wohltemperierte Clavier
composer = J.S. Bach
instrument = Superius
}

% quick and dirty hack
\markup \vspace #3

   \score {
   \new Staff \music
   \header {
title = FUGA I
piece = a 4
   }
   }

   \pageBreak

   \score {
   \new Staff \music
   \header {
title = FUGA II
piece = a 4
   }
   }
}

See also: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-02/msg00184.html

HTH,
  Harm

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Stem separating dot from notehead

2012-02-09 Thread Nick Payne
With overlapping parts, Lilypond defaults to separating a dot from its 
notehead by placing the overlapping stem in between. According to Gould 
(p.57) this is incorrect. The overlapped stem should be placed after the 
dot.


\version 2.15.25

\relative c' {
 { c2 s c'4. } \\ { g2. s4 c, } \\ { s1 g'4 } 
}

Nick
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