Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de writes: Hi everyone, I haven't read all posts on this subject, so sorry should I write something that's already been written. Why not keep the \relative pitch { music } syntax as one supported way and simply change the \relative { music } syntax to what

Re: midi micro tuning / Midi calibration

2013-03-08 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de writes: Hi Arthur Timothy, You've brought up a good question. Sounds like you may do Early Music, too. Thanks! Although I have to admit, that my music only goes as early as the Swing Era - Big Bands usually are tuned to 442 as it fits the brass

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Robert Schmaus
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 09:06 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de writes: Hi everyone, I haven't read all posts on this subject, so sorry should I write something that's already been written. Why not keep the \relative pitch { music } syntax as one

Re: midi micro tuning / Midi calibration

2013-03-08 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Fri, 8 Mar 2013, David Kastrup wrote: Midi, itself, is tuned in 440 and equal. Midi, itself, is not tuned at all. However, there's a function known as pitch bend in midi parlance, that works on some, but not all, That's one way to do it. Make sure to set this for each of the Midi

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
David Kastrup writes: Issue 3229: Patch: Make \relative { ... } interpret the first pitch as an absolute one +1 -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 07.03.2013 20:21, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: One rationale is to stop the distribution of the information for the first pitch to potentially quite separate places, like being able to write \new Staff \relative { \key aes \major % Voice one { c''2 aes4. bes8 } ... instead of

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de writes: On Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 09:06 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.de writes: Hi everyone, I haven't read all posts on this subject, so sorry should I write something that's already been written. Why not keep the

Re:Proposed new available and recommended behaviour of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Kevin Barry
Dear LilyPond users, Am I right in saying that the proposed new \relative {}, where the first pitch is absolute, is equivalent to simply writing \relative f {} in current usage? That might make it easier to explain in documentation than trying to explain that the first note is treated

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behaviour of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread David Kastrup
Kevin Barry barr...@tcd.ie writes: Dear LilyPond users, Am I right in saying that the proposed new \relative {}, where the first pitch is absolute, is equivalent to simply writing \relative f {} in current usage? Yes in Western scales. That might make it easier to explain in documentation

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behaviour of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: What is the resulting pitch of \relative c' { ces, } ? Quick, without thinking? What is the resulting pitch of \relative f { fes, } ? Quick, without thinking? What is the proposed resulting pitch of \relative { fes, } ? Now there is not even an

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Colin Hall
David Kastrup writes: Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl writes: The idea is that \relative { ... } (namely \relative used without an explicit reference pitch) uses the first note inside as the reference pitch. That is, if the first note happens to be written as fis'' it will sound

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread David Kastrup
Colin Hall colingh...@gmail.com writes: David Kastrup writes: Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl writes: The idea is that \relative { ... } (namely \relative used without an explicit reference pitch) uses the first note inside as the reference pitch. That is, if the first note

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Well... if you just don't emit the warning if the first pitch in a \relative {} block is incorrect, then it seems like you get exactly the current proposal except that you have to spell \relative { c'' } as \relative { c='' } instead. I like that idea! Indeed, this has some benefits in

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Well... if you just don't emit the warning if the first pitch in a \relative {} block is incorrect, then it seems like you get exactly the current proposal except that you have to spell \relative { c'' } as \relative { c='' } instead. I like that idea!

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/3/8 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org: David Kastrup writes: Issue 3229: Patch: Make \relative { ... } interpret the first pitch as an absolute one +1 +1 , I was currently using \relative f { } anyway, so this would allow removing the f, leaving the {...} intact, which for me would

Re: [ANNOUNCE] ly2video 0.4.1

2013-03-08 Thread Knut Petersen
--- ly2video.py.orig2013-03-07 09:40:54.675565398 +0100 +++ ly2video.py2013-03-07 09:52:19.787389048 +0100 @@ -1723,7 +1723,7 @@ fSanitisedLyFile.write(\\header {\n tagline = ##f composer = ##f\n}\n) headerPart = True -if

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behaviour of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/3/8 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: What is the resulting pitch of \relative c' { ces, } ? Quick, without thinking? Without thinking: I don't know. Good example. What is the resulting pitch of \relative f { fes, } ? Quick, without thinking? Without thinking, I know this is an

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread David Kastrup
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes: 2013/3/8 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org: David Kastrup writes: Issue 3229: Patch: Make \relative { ... } interpret the first pitch as an absolute one +1 +1 , I was currently using \relative f { } anyway, so this would allow removing the

Re: Bar lines

2013-03-08 Thread Werner LEMBERG
To be absolutely clear: i want both an 'end-bar' property and the thing mentioned above. OK. Is my explanation clear? Yes, thanks. However, I still don't see the usefulness. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: override stencil question

2013-03-08 Thread David Nalesnik
Hi Rama, On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Rama Gottfried rama.gottfr...@gmail.comwrote: here is a working version of the bezier glissando (I just had too many coordinates in my curveto command). still trying to find some reference on the grob-interpret-markup function -- it seems there are

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Klaus Föhl
Thomas Morley address@hidden writes: 2013/3/7 David Kastrup address@hidden: Please take a look at Issue 3229: Patch: Make \relative { ... } interpret the first pitch as an absolute one To be absolutely clear, am I right that this patch will not affect the use of \relative with a given

Re: Excellent paper on 'Copyfraud'

2013-03-08 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Thanks for this intersting info Mike. Pierre 2013/3/8 Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com This paper might be of interest to anyone typesetting public domain music from so-called copyrighted scores: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=787244 Abstract: Copyfraud is

Re: Excellent paper on 'Copyfraud'

2013-03-08 Thread pls
yes, thanks for sharing it! Am 08.03.2013 um 14:22 schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com: Thanks for this intersting info Mike. Pierre 2013/3/8 Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com This paper might be of interest to anyone typesetting public domain music

lecker lek-ker in old German lyrics

2013-03-08 Thread Klaus Föhl
Hello, Some German lyrics from before the times of Neue Deutsche Rechtschreibung feature ck between two syllables. Without Hyphen it is lecker, with hyphen it is lek-ker. Using lec -- ker or lek -- ker ( on purpose not le -- cker) the hyphen may or may not appear. Is there anything beyond trial

Re: lecker lek-ker in old German lyrics

2013-03-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Klaus Föhl klaus.fo...@uni-giessen.de wrote: Hello, Some German lyrics from before the times of Neue Deutsche Rechtschreibung feature ck between two syllables. Without Hyphen it is lecker, with hyphen it is lek-ker. Using lec -- ker or lek -- ker ( on

Re: Repeating stanza numbers

2013-03-08 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Laura Conrad lcon...@laymusic.org If someone who understands this better than I do agrees with me that this is a bug, I'll be happy to write up a real bug report, especially if you tell me what feature of lilypond to report the bug against. I've put a lot of

Re: missing bars

2013-03-08 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Katie, Use bar checks: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/bars#bar-and-bar-number-checks Hope this helps! Kieren. On 2013-Mar-8, at 09:51, Katie Ganem klga...@gmail.com wrote: For some reason when I compile the file I'm working on, bars of music are being omitted

Re: missing bars

2013-03-08 Thread Katie Ganem
That does help. Thank you. But now I can't seem to get music to show up when I compile it. I tried copying it into a new file, but it goes through the motions, says that it successfully compiled and then shows nothing. Does anyone know what could cause this? On Mar 8, 2013, at 9:56 AM,

Re: lecker lek-ker in old German lyrics

2013-03-08 Thread Mats Bengtsson
On 03/08/2013 03:52 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Hello, Some German lyrics from before the times of Neue Deutsche Rechtschreibung feature ck between two syllables. Without Hyphen it is lecker, with hyphen it is lek-ker. Using lec -- ker or lek -- ker ( on purpose not le -- cker)

Re: missing bars

2013-03-08 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Katie, That does help. Thank you. But now I can't seem to get music to show up when I compile it. Are you sure you used bar checks, as I suggested? When I try it (see snippet, below), it clearly shows where your data entry errors are. Kieren. p.s. You should also be using full measure

Re: missing bars

2013-03-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Katie Ganem klga...@gmail.com wrote: I tried copying it into a new file, but it goes through the motions, says that it successfully compiled and then shows nothing. Does anyone know what could cause this? This may happen if you define your music variables but

Re: override stencil question

2013-03-08 Thread Rama Gottfried
Hi David, thanks for pointing out the scm folder, I hadn't looked in there yet -- this is really helpful. the list of Scheme functions in the documentation gave me the idea that this it was a glossary -- but the scm folder seems like more the place to look for getting information. will start

Re: lecker lek-ker in old German lyrics

2013-03-08 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 03/08/2013 10:19 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: On 03/08/2013 03:52 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: Hello, Some German lyrics from before the times of Neue Deutsche Rechtschreibung feature ck between two syllables. Without Hyphen it is lecker, with hyphen it is lek-ker. Using lec --

Re: Excellent paper on 'Copyfraud'

2013-03-08 Thread Tim Slattery
Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: This paper might be of interest to anyone typesetting public domain music from so-called copyrighted scores: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=787244 Excellent article, even if it is 7 years old. I'm in a singing group. We sing

Re: Excellent paper on 'Copyfraud'

2013-03-08 Thread Tim McNamara
On Mar 8, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Tim Slattery wrote: Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: This paper might be of interest to anyone typesetting public domain music from so-called copyrighted scores: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=787244 Excellent article, even

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/3/8 Klaus Föhl klaus.fo...@uni-giessen.de: I am somewhat unhappy with the concept behind the new default use being \relative {...} without qualifier as it mixes absolute and relative pitch writing within the bracket. At least as it is explained. I am not sure it mixes absolute and

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Olivier Biot
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Well... if you just don't emit the warning if the first pitch in a \relative {} block is incorrect, then it seems like you get exactly the current proposal except that you have to spell

Re: override stencil question

2013-03-08 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/3/8 Rama Gottfried rama.gottfr...@gmail.com: Hi David, thanks for pointing out the scm folder, I hadn't looked in there yet -- this is really helpful. the list of Scheme functions in the documentation gave me the idea that this it was a glossary -- but the scm folder seems like more

Re: A plea for a documentation change ... Just a tiny one

2013-03-08 Thread Colin Hall
Guy Stalnaker writes: I've just spent an entire evening trying to figure out how to add some lyric text to one voice of a three-measure two-voice section of a score. Thanks for contacting us about this, Guy, and for the thorough-going report. Your suggestion for a change to the docs seems

span bar not working any more?

2013-03-08 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello all, SpanBar isn't currently working as expected/documented: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/displaying-staves#nested-staff-groups All the best, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Orchestral group

2013-03-08 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Mario, Well! As I have already said I think that this solution is really nice but I can not fix what I have underlined in red: that the staff bar connection. And I can not add staff Harpsichord without StaffGroup and only PianoStaff :-( I can fix all the other things, but the SpanBar is

Re: span bar not working any more?

2013-03-08 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, Just saw http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3203. Sorry for the noise. Kieren. On 2013-Mar-8, at 20:58, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hello all, SpanBar isn't currently working as expected/documented:

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Keith OHara
Colin Hall colinghall at gmail.com writes: In my early days with Lilypond I learned this to my cost. I've never used \relative since then. I stopped using \relative about a year ago, because absolute note entry is vastly easier. When writing, I do not generally remember the previous note

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Shane Brandes
It's funny. I think i have used \absolute maybe three times. It is too much extra typing. Shane On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net wrote: Colin Hall colinghall at gmail.com writes: In my early days with Lilypond I learned this to my cost. I've never used

Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Hwaen Ch'uqi
Greetings All, In truth, I am quite satisfied with the current state of \relative, whether with or without an absolute pitch indicated before the braces. And yes, I do understand that, though users are at present discouraged from using the latter, both \relative c' { MUSIC } and \relative {

Turn placed between notes

2013-03-08 Thread Nick Payne
See attached graphic. Quite a number of these in the score (Brahms Sextet Op 18). At the moment I'm creating them like so: \version 2.17.13 \relative f'' { f4.^\markup { \halign #-3.5 { \musicglyph #scripts.turn } } g16 a | } but with the value of halign hard coded, with differing note

Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative

2013-03-08 Thread Matthew Collett
On 9/03/2013, at 12:22 am, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote: 2013/3/8 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org: David Kastrup writes: Issue 3229: Patch: Make \relative { ... } interpret the first pitch as an absolute one +1 +1 , I was currently using \relative f { } anyway, so

Re: Orchestral group

2013-03-08 Thread Mario Moles
In data venerdì 8 marzo 2013 22:37:02, Kieren MacMillan ha scritto: Hope this helps! Oh yess! This is great! You are great! (H) Thank you so match! ;-)(Y) -- oiram/bin/selom Da ognuno secondo le proprie capacità ad ognuno secondo i propri bisogni. MIB-kernellinux-tester Linux MIB Lilypond

Re: Turn placed between notes

2013-03-08 Thread Keith OHara
Nick Payne nick.payne at internode.on.net writes: have to fiddle with the value of halign each time to get the turn centred between the notes. Is there a more automated way of positioning the turn? Parallel music. Then I can think in terms of the timing of the turn, rather than the