Re: \relative proposal: putting absolute pitches anywhere within \relative block using @-sign

2013-03-14 Thread Werner LEMBERG
However there is no fundamental need for the first pitch being an absolute pitch in the first place. It can be relative to f if we want to. That adds the least amount of information to the first pitch. It seems to me that we should completely avoid the word `absolute' if we speak about

Re: Aligning 'to Coda' rehearsal marks

2013-03-14 Thread Jim Long
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 02:09:37AM +0100, Thomas Morley wrote: Hi Jim, below some code, which should do what you want. Wow, Harm, this is truly outstanding, more than I could have hoped for. I'll play with this some more, but at first glance, it performs well in three different staff sizes

Re: \relative proposal: putting absolute pitches anywhere within \relative block using @-sign

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: However there is no fundamental need for the first pitch being an absolute pitch in the first place. It can be relative to f if we want to. That adds the least amount of information to the first pitch. It seems to me that we should completely avoid the

Re: \relative proposal: putting absolute pitches anywhere within \relative block using @-sign

2013-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, please be careful with using caps. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:24 PM, nothingwaver...@gmail.com wrote: Why a new syntax? I frequently find that if I jump to the end of a big, long \relative { ... }, then frequently I don't remember which octave I'm in. Maybe using Frescobaldi would solve

Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de writes: So finally: what have I done and why? The main obstacle is the rigid way Lilypond handles its (her, his?) internal music font. I deliberately decided to stick to an ordinary OTF/TTF font first to learn how to use external fonts (who knows

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Urs Liska
Hi Torsten, thank you very much for your work. This is great! While I probably won't use it ever for myself, I find that an extremely useful addition to LilyPond, and I hope you will get enough assistance to get it into LilyPond's default distribution. Best Urs Am 14.03.2013 11:36,

Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Werner LEMBERG
In the first place: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit unfinished) versions of the LilyJAZZ music and LilyJAZZ Text font plus the corresponding LilyJAZZ.ily include. Very impressive! The main obstacle is the rigid way Lilypond handles its (her, his?) internal music

Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Francisco Vila
2013/3/14 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: We currently have three music fonts of more than marginal interest: LilyPond's own Feta (?), ... Emmentaler. Of which Feta and Parmesan are subsets. But Parmesan is only for ancient, and Feta includes braces and everything, so I guess we can keep calling

\mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread Rutger Hofman
Good afternoon list, I want to have a rehearsal \mark halfway a bar. I cannot find anything in the v2.16 manual. Thanks for helping out, Rutger ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Hi Rutger, You can use : \once\override Score.RehearsalMark #'extra-offset = #'(0.0 . 0.0) % change coordonates Pierre 2013/3/14 Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl Good afternoon list, I want to have a rehearsal \mark halfway a bar. I cannot find anything in the v2.16 manual. Thanks for

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl wrote: Good afternoon list, I want to have a rehearsal \mark halfway a bar. I cannot find anything in the v2.16 manual. I'm not sure i understand your problem. You can simply insert a \mark anywhere you want it to be: {

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread Rutger Hofman
On 03/14/2013 01:01 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Hi, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl wrote: Good afternoon list, I want to have a rehearsal \mark halfway a bar. I cannot find anything in the v2.16 manual. I'm not sure i understand your problem. You can simply

Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Hi Werner, What do you mean with rigid? Some things related to Feta/Emmentaler access are still being handled deep inside non-public scheme coding or even C source code and consequently very hard to tweak.Amongst the most stubborn stencils are multi measure rests where the glyph names are

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
I want to place the mark over some specific time within the bar, e.g. at the third quarter in a 4/4. then simply add a hidden bar : { c c c \bar \mark\default c } Pierre ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl writes: On 03/14/2013 01:01 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Hi, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl wrote: Good afternoon list, I want to have a rehearsal \mark halfway a bar. I cannot find anything in the v2.16 manual. I'm not sure i

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl wrote: On 03/14/2013 01:01 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: I'm not sure i understand your problem. You can simply insert a \mark anywhere you want it to be: { c'8 c' d' d' \mark \default e' e' f' f' } does this help you? A \mark is

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de writes: I'm just happy that in the meantime some main actors as David or even Jan seem to acknowledge the fact that Lilypond would certainly benefit from being able to produce jazz output. It's not just Jazz. This is pretty much par for the course

Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Gesendet:Donnerstag, 14. Mrz 2013 um 11:53 Uhr Von:David Kastrup d...@gnu.org I think what we want to arrive at is a way to drop in music fonts into LilyPond in a tolerable workable way. I think that we cant avoid at first the necessity of having the font, if not its glyphs, at least

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Pierre Perol-Schneider pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com wrote: I want to place the mark over some specific time within the bar, e.g. at the third quarter in a 4/4. then simply add a hidden bar : { c c c \bar \mark\default c } uh, you

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
2013/3/14 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Maybe you're using some ancient version of LilyPond? You should be using 2.16.2. hth, Janek No, just doing the same for years... Actually I'm using 2.17 :) Thanks for the trick though. Pierre ___

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Werner LEMBERG
[please use plain text for your e-mails] What do you mean with `rigid'? Some things related to Feta/Emmentaler access are still being handled deep inside non-public scheme coding or even C source code and consequently very hard to tweak. Please open bug reports about those issues. The

Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi Torsten, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de wrote: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit unfinished) versions of the LilyJAZZ music and LilyJAZZ Text font plus the corresponding LilyJAZZ.ily include. As an example to demonstrate

Aw: Re: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Gesendet:Donnerstag, 14. Mrz 2013 um 14:59 Uhr Von:David Kastrup d...@gnu.orgIts not just Jazz. This is pretty much par for the course for Barbershop and quite a few other forms of vocal harmony. Interestingly, not for pop music. I also dont think it is used much for piano or other

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Hi Torsten, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de wrote: I've attached a zip file containing the current (albeit unfinished) versions of the LilyJAZZ music and LilyJAZZ Text font plus the corresponding

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread Rutger Hofman
On 03/14/2013 02:51 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl writes: On 03/14/2013 01:01 PM, Janek Warchoł wrote: Hi, On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl wrote: Good afternoon list, I want to have a rehearsal \mark halfway a bar. I cannot find

Re: \mark halfway a bar?

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Rutger Hofman rut...@cs.vu.nl writes: Ah, sorry, the confusion is all mine. I placed the \mark *after* the note where it should appear, like \markup. You can't place markup after a note unless you put - ^ or _ before it. If you do that with \mark, it will put the mark above the note itself

Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Noeck
Am 14.03.2013 15:38, schrieb David Kastrup: Note spacing, beaming (!), system brackets and a few other things give it away. The beaming is probably the worst offender regarding style consistency. Would it be possible to use Bezier curves instead of straight lines for the beams? Some slight

grace note stem lengths

2013-03-14 Thread Kevin Barry
Dear LilyPond users, Occasionally I find the stem lengths of grace notes to be too long, as in the following example, where the grace 32s have longer stems than the normal ones (because of the slope I think): \version 2.16.2 \relative a' { s a32 \afterGrace a { b32[ g] } a8 } I have

Re: \relative proposal: putting absolute pitches anywhere within \relative block using @-sign

2013-03-14 Thread nothingwavering
NEW IDEA Thanks for the feedback, Mr. Kastrup and others. The objections I hear from you and others on what I proposed are mainly these: 1. people not thrilled about their having (or other people having) to learn/use/implement a new syntax 2. objections to using up a new special symbol

Re: grace note stem lengths

2013-03-14 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Hi Kevin, Try this : \new Staff { $(add-grace-property 'Voice 'Stem 'length-fraction '2) \new Voice { \relative a' { s a32 \afterGrace a { b32[ g] } a8 } } } 2013/3/14 Kevin Barry barr...@tcd.ie Dear LilyPond users, Occasionally I find the stem lengths of grace notes to be too

Re: \relative proposal: putting absolute pitches anywhere within \relative block using @-sign

2013-03-14 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, I feel that the original proposal, as specified elsewhere, violates the principle of least surprise for existing users starting new projects (not using convert-ly) with the new LilyPond. I'm not sure I understand why that's true… As I understand the proposal, \relative { c''' d e f

Centering text between keyboard staves along with dynamics

2013-03-14 Thread Michael Rivers
Often, rather than just dynamics (pp) centered between staves, piano music adds a modifier (pp dolce). If I try to add the modifier as a text markup in a dynamic context, the text isn't centered or aligned with the other dynamics. Is there a better way to do this? \version 2.16.1 right =

Re: \relative proposal: putting absolute pitches anywhere within \relative block using @-sign

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
nothingwaver...@gmail.com writes: I can't help but suspect that several long-time unsuspecting users in the habit of writing \relative { ... } This has not been documented or recommended for quite a few years. and expecting the first note to be relative to c' will upgrade to a new version

Re: \relative proposal: putting absolute pitches anywhere within \relative block using @-sign

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: I feel that the original proposal, as specified elsewhere, violates the principle of least surprise for existing users starting new projects (not using convert-ly) with the new LilyPond. I'm not sure I understand why that's true… As I

Re: Key signature shifted

2013-03-14 Thread Denis Bitouzé
Le jeudi 14/03/13 à 00h04, Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net a écrit : There is a bug report http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=448 proposing that LilyPond put the key signature and cancellation in one column, when there is only one of each, and also a suggestion to work around

Re: \relative proposal: putting absolute pitches anywhere within \relative block using @-sign

2013-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: The main problematic time will be when they are using an older version of LilyPond while consulting examples and online documentation for a newer one. That can lead to befuddlement of more than just a few minutes, and this is not exactly unheard of. If we

Re: Aligning 'to Coda' rehearsal marks

2013-03-14 Thread Eluze
+100! Eluze -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Aligning-to-Coda-rehearsal-marks-tp142601p142726.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:59 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de writes: I'm just happy that in the meantime some main actors as David or even Jan seem to acknowledge the fact that Lilypond would certainly benefit from being able to produce jazz

Aw: Re: grace note stem lengths

2013-03-14 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Hi Kevin,Apart from changing the Stem length-fraction (either by scheme commands or an accustomed override), as soon as beams come into play, the beams, i. e. their positions and slopes will determine the stem lengths. Thats why its no use trying to override the Stem #length.So, if anything else

Re: Aligning 'to Coda' rehearsal marks

2013-03-14 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/3/14 Jim Long lilyp...@umpquanet.com: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 02:09:37AM +0100, Thomas Morley wrote: Hi Jim, below some code, which should do what you want. Wow, Harm, this is truly outstanding, more than I could have hoped for. Glad I could help I'll play with this some more, but

Re: Aw: Re: Pseudo-handwritten font

2013-03-14 Thread Tim McNamara
On Mar 14, 2013, at 5:36 AM, Torsten Hämmerle wrote: BUT: Even if all this may be quite an ambitious task, I just started off to see what's possible and how Lilypond behaves in a jazz context. Fortunately, the results look quite encouraging. :) This is very intriguing as a jazz player and

Re: Re: grace note stem lengths

2013-03-14 Thread Kevin Patrick Barry
Dear All, Thank you for the suggestions. Overriding the Beam positions did the trick! Kevin On 14 March 2013 20:43, Torsten Hämmerle torsten.haemme...@web.de wrote: Hi Kevin, Apart from changing the Stem length-fraction (either by scheme commands or an accustomed \override), as soon as

roling cords

2013-03-14 Thread Sarah Alawami
I might need to role a few coreds in this piano reduction. I know the term ala harp, or somethign like that. Would that text work in lily pond before the less then and grater then symbols or is there an easier way to do this? No mark up language. I'm not quite ready to memorise that yet.

RE: roling cords

2013-03-14 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Sarah: If by rolling chords you mean an arpeggio this might be of help: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/expressive-marks-as -lines Mark -Original Message- From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org

System start delimiter in middle of system; new score without breaking line

2013-03-14 Thread Davide Liessi
Dear LilyPond users, I found these messages in the list archives: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2005-07/msg00410.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-03/msg00483.html Is there anything new? I mean: 1. is it possible to print the system start delimiter in

Re: System start delimiter in middle of system; new score without breaking line

2013-03-14 Thread Thomas Morley
2013/3/15 Davide Liessi dal...@gmail.com: Dear LilyPond users, I found these messages in the list archives: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2005-07/msg00410.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-03/msg00483.html Is there anything new? I mean: 1. is it