Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-03 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Mark Knoop writes: There seems to be a bug - see attached screenshot. Key signatures are inserted always as if in treble clef rather than appropriate to the selected clef. Thanks! Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Curt
On Dec 2, 2013, at 3:07 PM, SoundsFromSound soundsfromso...@gmail.com wrote: Urs Liska wrote Am 02.12.2013 23:34, schrieb Curt: I've written perl scripts that generate lilypond snippets to include in Anki decks for self-study of jazz theory. There's all kinds of crazy programming people

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 09:35, schrieb Curt: Collaboratively creating lilypond anki decks could be clunky. You'd probably be collaboratively editing the generating scripts themselves, and then be building the decks from that, and then reimporting on top of your already existing deck, which could be

Hook like \AtEndDocument

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Hi all, is there a way to hook into the compilation process that allows me to do something when all parsing has been done? Concretely I want to use a Scheme function to collect information during the parsing (something like a log) and want to output this in sorted form to an external file.

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
Vaughan McAlley vaug...@mcalley.net.au writes: On 3 December 2013 13:18, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: I program in J almost exclusively, since the pursuit of my brainstorms (music-bound or not) tends to favor handy ad-hoc number crunching. +1 but with Lua. I’ve done some useful

Re: Another time model (related to the usability thread)

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca writes: Hi James (et al.), If you insert a bar, you'd have to change R1*32 to R1*33 by hand. Or, if you change the 10th out of the 32 bars into a 3/4 measure, I believe you would then have to change R1*32 to R1*9 R2. R1*22 -- highly error prone.

Re: Another time model (related to the usability thread)

2013-12-03 Thread Keith OHara
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:56:49 -0800, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Instead of specifying an offset from a rehearsal mark, maybe simpler to have an independent type of marker to put in the \global stream. Then the entries of the parts are visible all at once in \global

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Hi all, is there a way to hook into the compilation process that allows me to do something when all parsing has been done? Concretely I want to use a Scheme function to collect information during the parsing (something like a log) and want to output

Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Karol Majewski
\version 2.17.96 { a'8 ( b'4. ) r2 } Look at the slur. It goes through stem and flag. Shouldn't it start above the stem? Not sure... Karol attachment: slur.png___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: improving LilyPond useability

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
Renato renn...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:14:52 - Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net wrote: you don't really get around these programs without reading docs (and you shouldn't try to make it easy). I disagree with you shouldn't try to make it easy. what I meant was

Denemo-feedback

2013-12-03 Thread Richard Shann
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 01:20 +0100, Noeck wrote: But the feedback I get about Denemo is almost entirely positive - those who find it unusable just quietly switch to something else, out of politeness I guess. Most unhelpful! Hi Richard, several times now, I looked at Denemo (about twice

Re: Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
2013/12/3 Karol Majewski karo...@wp.pl: \version 2.17.96 { a'8 ( b'4. ) r2 } Look at the slur. It goes through stem and flag. Shouldn't it start above the stem? Not sure.. Imo this is ugly, but i'm not sure how it should look like... Janek

Re: improving LilyPond useability

2013-12-03 Thread renato
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:01:30 +0100 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Renato renn...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:14:52 - Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net wrote: you don't really get around these programs without reading docs (and you shouldn't try to make it

Re: improving LilyPond useability

2013-12-03 Thread Phil Burfitt
From: Renato renn...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 11:54 PM Phil Burfitt phil.burf...@talktalk.net wrote: you don't really get around these programs without reading docs (and you shouldn't try to make it easy). I disagree with you shouldn't try to make it easy. what I meant

Re: Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 10:30, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/3 Karol Majewski karo...@wp.pl: \version 2.17.96 { a'8 ( b'4. ) r2 } Look at the slur. It goes through stem and flag. Shouldn't it start above the stem? Not sure.. Imo this is ugly, but i'm not sure how it should look like... Janek I

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2013-12-03 um 14:42 schrieb Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Am 03.12.2013 09:35, schrieb Curt: Collaboratively creating lilypond anki decks could be clunky. You'd probably be collaboratively editing the generating scripts themselves, and then be building the decks from that, and then

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 10:16, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Hi all, is there a way to hook into the compilation process that allows me to do something when all parsing has been done? Concretely I want to use a Scheme function to collect information during the parsing

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Johan Vromans
Curt accou...@museworld.com writes: I've written perl scripts that generate lilypond snippets to include in Anki decks for self-study of jazz theory. Share! Share! (both the tools and the decks) Please... -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 11:12, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: Am 2013-12-03 um 14:42 schrieb Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org: Am 03.12.2013 09:35, schrieb Curt: Collaboratively creating lilypond anki decks could be clunky. You'd probably be collaboratively editing the generating scripts themselves, and

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Johan Vromans
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: How are Anki decks/cards stored, can they be somehow be edited in a collaborative effort? Anki stores in a SQLite database,but the decks/cards can be exported and imported to/from other formats, e.g. CSV. I know there is some work ongoing on

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 11:23, schrieb Johan Vromans: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: How are Anki decks/cards stored, can they be somehow be edited in a collaborative effort? Anki stores in a SQLite database,but the decks/cards can be exported and imported to/from other formats, e.g. CSV. I

Re: improving LilyPond useability

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
renato renn...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I feel like you misinterpreted what I'm saying. All the things you say are good of course: sensible syntax, good getting started documentation, templates, not exhausting the user. I'm not saying you should purposefully make lilypond obscure, just saying

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

2013-12-03 Thread Jan-Peter Voigt
Hi Urs, Am 03.12.2013 11:12, schrieb Urs Liska: OK, trying to digest this. Do I get this right when I say: - write a function annotate to be used in the main input file. This function saves some information (say location plus a comment) to an internal structure that is defined

Re: Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Urs Liska wrote: Am 03.12.2013 10:30, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/3 Karol Majewski karo...@wp.pl: \version 2.17.96 { a'8 ( b'4. ) r2 } Look at the slur. It goes through stem and flag. Shouldn't it start above the stem? Not sure.. Imo this is ugly, but i'm not

Re: Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Mike Solomon
On Dec 3, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Urs Liska wrote: Am 03.12.2013 10:30, schrieb Janek Warchoł: 2013/12/3 Karol Majewski karo...@wp.pl: \version 2.17.96 { a'8 ( b'4. ) r2 } Look at the slur. It goes through stem and

Re: Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Karol Majewski
Elaine Gould gives the following answer: When outer notes have opposite directions, move the slur at the stem end towards the noteheads so it does not tilt contrary to the direction of the pitches. attachment: SP_A1251.jpg___ lilypond-user mailing

RE: improving LilyPond useability

2013-12-03 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Hello, Since my practice and performance of Lilypond spans less than a year (installed 21 May 2013), I might qualify to comment on the attractiveness and/or accessibility of Lilypond to a newbie. Preservation of a two-part invention written for an undergraduate course (1967) in Baroque Music

Re: Hook like \AtEndDocument

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 11:41, schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt: Hi Urs, Am 03.12.2013 11:12, schrieb Urs Liska: OK, trying to digest this. Do I get this right when I say: - write a function annotate to be used in the main input file. This function saves some information (say location plus a comment) to an

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/12/13 22:20, David Kastrup wrote: Scheme _is_ its scripting language. How much scope is there for creating a stable scripting API which could be used via Scheme (default) or any arbitrary language of choice, so long as someone writes bindings for that language? I ask because in our

Re: Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 11:49, schrieb Karol Majewski: Elaine Gould gives the following answer: When outer notes have opposite directions, move the slur at the stem end towards the noteheads so it does not tilt contrary to the direction of the pitches. But this example doesn't have the flag, which

Re: improving LilyPond useability

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
Mark Stephen Mrotek carsonm...@ca.rr.com writes: Since my practice and performance of Lilypond spans less than a year (installed 21 May 2013), I might qualify to comment on the attractiveness and/or accessibility of Lilypond to a newbie. Preservation of a two-part invention written for an

Re: Other programming languages LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 02/12/13 22:20, David Kastrup wrote: Scheme _is_ its scripting language. How much scope is there for creating a stable scripting API which could be used via Scheme (default) or any arbitrary language of choice, so long as

Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-03 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/12/3 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org Federico Bruni writes: It was hosted on github years ago, but now I see that last update is 3 years ago. Yes. So no download on the website (it's not working, as already reported), no source code anywhere. Unfortunately we can test the demo

Re: Denemo-feedback

2013-12-03 Thread Federico Bruni
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 01:20 +0100, Noeck wrote: several times now, I looked at Denemo (about twice a year for the last 4 years). So I can only share a first impression. As background info: I probably always will prefer text input and I like Frescobaldi very much. But I think that a GUI

Re: Denemo-feedback

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com schrieb: On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 01:20 +0100, Noeck wrote: several times now, I looked at Denemo (about twice a year for the last 4 years). So I can only share a first impression. As background info: I probably always will prefer text input and I like

Pseudo [Re]-surrecting: is there a \RemoveEmptyLyrics

2013-12-03 Thread Alexander Kobel
Dear all, I want to typeset a little hymn with two stanzas and a common chorus. Easy-peasy if the chorus begins after a line break, tedious tweaking otherwise. I am aware of http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/snippets/vocal-music#vocal-music-vertically-centered-common-lyrics

Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-03 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Federico Bruni writes: So no download on the website (it's not working, as already reported), no source code anywhere. Unfortunately we can test the demo only Why is that unfortunate? The demo is really all there is, currently. What would you do with the code? I did a quick test. Funny, I

Re: Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Nick Baskin
On Dec 3, 2013 5:56 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Am 03.12.2013 11:49, schrieb Karol Majewski: Elaine Gould gives the following answer: When outer notes have opposite directions, move the slur at the stem end towards the noteheads so it does not tilt contrary to the direction of

Scores for the visually impaired

2013-12-03 Thread Frederick Bartlett
Now that I'm *cough, cough* an expert LilyPond user, I want to explore something really difficult. My wife, a voice teacher, suffers from macular degeneration. Before her vision degrades so much that she can no longer read printed scores, I'd like to cobble together a system that - scans

Re: Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Ed Gordijn
But this example doesn't have the flag, which is the problematic issue here. Alternately, couldn't the stem of the B go up instead of down I would prefer slur down to avoid the flag and connect from note head to the stem. ___ lilypond-user mailing

Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-03 Thread Johan Vromans
Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com writes: I felt like working on a reversed Frescobaldi: input in the GUI, output text. :-) So what the world needs is a bidirectional Frescobaldi. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Denemo-feedback

2013-12-03 Thread Noeck
Hi Richard, sorry for the old version. I now installed Denemo 1.1.0 from the website. It can't use lilypond with it for some reason (it crashes when I want to print) but I can look around and compare. Many things have improved a lot: The sound plays nicely, the buttons show no artefacts, the

Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 17:20, schrieb Johan Vromans: Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com writes: I felt like working on a reversed Frescobaldi: input in the GUI, output text. :-) So what the world needs is a bidirectional Frescobaldi. See https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/284 If any part

Re: Is this ugly?

2013-12-03 Thread Marcos Press
Several things can be made. #*# One. Put the slur down. http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Curves.html#Slurs Still works in 2.17 as well. \version 2.17.96 { \slurDown a'8( b'4.) r2 } [image: Imágenes integradas 2] #*# Two. Put a silent note. I just use a random scale

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Garrett McGilvray
On Dec 3, 2013, at 12:55 AM, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Garrett McGilvray wrote: The reason that I came back for a second try was not that it was free, since I had already paid for the real thing. I don't remember what made me think of it, but I

Re: improving LilyPond useability

2013-12-03 Thread Noeck
Some criticism has been made about the length of the manual. I started with an IBM PS2 (1982) using a non-graphical interface Microsoft Word. The manual, if my addled memory is correct was somewhere around 300+ pages. And cut. Wrangling down that attacking Rottweiler was actually

Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-03 Thread Noeck
Am 03.12.2013 17:46, schrieb Urs Liska: Am 03.12.2013 17:20, schrieb Johan Vromans: Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com writes: I felt like working on a reversed Frescobaldi: input in the GUI, output text. :-) So what the world needs is a bidirectional Frescobaldi. +1 See

ly:context-mod? list to string

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
When I use ly:context-mod? for a parameter in a music function a string as the final part will be cut to list items. if I write \function \with { comment = This should be verified } then the ly:context-mod? variable will hold ((assign comment This should be verified)) cdr-ing makes it

Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-03 Thread Noeck
… and another question: Can the Schikkers List code be found somewhere? As there are quite some ideas coming up on the page linked below, it would probably be interesting how Schikkers List solved some issues. Cheers, Joram See https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/284

Re: Denemo-feedback

2013-12-03 Thread Noeck
Hi Richard, It can't use lilypond with it for some reason (it crashes I trust you don't mean that Denemo itself crashes? Just that LilyPond No Denemo does not crash. But the Print View tells me: INVALID! Lilypond can not typeset this score. In the Edit-Preferences-Externals tab you can set

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Carl Peterson
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Garrett McGilvray garrett.mcgilv...@icloud.com wrote: Now, to focus on a different point: the question as to whether a truly fair comparison can be made only by professionals. I have no doubt that an experienced professional in Finale (and I've ignored

Re: ly:context-mod? list to string

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: When I use ly:context-mod? for a parameter in a music function a string as the final part will be cut to list items. if I write \function \with { comment = This should be verified } then the ly:context-mod? variable will hold ((assign comment This

Re: Scores for the visually impaired

2013-12-03 Thread Colin Campbell
On 12/03/2013 09:09 AM, Frederick Bartlett wrote: Now that I'm *cough, cough* an expert LilyPond user, I want to explore something really difficult. My wife, a voice teacher, suffers from macular degeneration. Before her vision degrades so much that she can no longer read printed scores, I'd

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 02/12/13 16:00, David Kastrup wrote: How about companies which cannot risk getting locked in to software that may stop being maintained in future? I'm not sure that's a selling point, either. As long as there's a paying market, commercial software tends to keep getting maintained. By

Re: Percent repeat

2013-12-03 Thread Ralph Palmer
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, 2013/11/30 Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de: Hi, is this a bug or is there some reason why this should be correct: If I use a percent repeat in a customly timed measure (5/4 instead of 4/4), the repeat

Re: promoting LilyPond

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 02/12/13 16:00, David Kastrup wrote: How about companies which cannot risk getting locked in to software that may stop being maintained in future? I'm not sure that's a selling point, either. As long as there's a paying

Re: ly:context-mod? list to string

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 20:39, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: When I use ly:context-mod? for a parameter in a music function a string as the final part will be cut to list items. if I write \function \with { comment = This should be verified } then the ly:context-mod?

Re: Denemo-feedback

2013-12-03 Thread Richard Shann
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 17:37 +0100, Noeck wrote: Hi Richard, sorry for the old version. I now installed Denemo 1.1.0 from the website. It can't use lilypond with it for some reason (it crashes I trust you don't mean that Denemo itself crashes? Just that LilyPond fails to execute? Without

Re: Denemo-feedback

2013-12-03 Thread Richard Shann
On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 19:57 +0100, Noeck wrote: Hi Richard, It can't use lilypond with it for some reason (it crashes I trust you don't mean that Denemo itself crashes? Just that LilyPond No Denemo does not crash. But the Print View tells me: INVALID! Lilypond can not typeset this

Re: ly:context-mod? list to string

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.12.2013 23:17, schrieb Urs Liska: Am 03.12.2013 20:39, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: When I use ly:context-mod? for a parameter in a music function a string as the final part will be cut to list items. if I write \function \with { comment = This should

Re: ly:context-mod? list to string

2013-12-03 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: Am 03.12.2013 23:17, schrieb Urs Liska: Am 03.12.2013 20:39, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes: When I use ly:context-mod? for a parameter in a music function a string as the final part will be cut to list items. if I write

Re: Schikkers List

2013-12-03 Thread Federico Bruni
2013/12/3 Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org Federico Bruni writes: So no download on the website (it's not working, as already reported), no source code anywhere. Unfortunately we can test the demo only Why is that unfortunate? The demo is really all there is, currently. What would

Re: Denemo-feedback

2013-12-03 Thread Johan Vromans
Richard Shann richard.sh...@virgin.net writes: Right now I have a new entry option nearly complete - playing on a MIDI keyboard and then entering the rhythm. By hitting a MIDI keyboard key in the desired rhythm? -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing