Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Carl Sorensen
Here's a proposed patch for the documentation. I haven't posted it on Rietveld because I'm having some problems with make doc (that are unrelated to this change). -- a/Documentation/learning/common-notation.itely +++ b/Documentation/learning/common-notation.itely @@ -275,6 +275,9 @@ Notation

RE: V 2.19

2018-04-24 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Aaron, Got it. Thank you! Mark -Original Message- From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Hill Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 9:15 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: V 2.19 On 2018-04-24 21:05, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:

Re: V 2.19

2018-04-24 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2018-04-24 21:05, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Aaron, Thank you. My jargon is limited. Which file do I select? Mark Depends on your operating system and which version you want. The latest development build there is 2.19.81. Here are (probably) the most relevant links: Linux (x64):

RE: V 2.19

2018-04-24 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Aaron, Thank you. My jargon is limited. Which file do I select? Mark -Original Message- From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Hill Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:13 PM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: V 2.19 On

Re: V 2.19

2018-04-24 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2018-04-24 19:58, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: Hello, Tried to download for Windows. Get a "404 not found" error message. Please direct me. Thank you, Mark Try here: http://lilypond.org/downloads/binaries/ -- Aaron Hill ___ lilypond-user

V 2.19

2018-04-24 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Hello, Tried to download for Windows. Get a "404 not found" error message. Please direct me. Thank you, Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Lilypond slow to start up on the Mac

2018-04-24 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Tim, The development versions are very stable. I hammer them all day with massively complex scores, and no problems arise. The term 'unstable' is a self deprecating conventional trope of modesty used in the open source world. Take the risk - it's worth it. And there are so many good new

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 24.04.2018 22:02, foxfanfare wrote: I missed more exemples in the huge "Internal Manual"! I don’t think any will be added, for two reasons: The technical reason is that the Internals Reference is auto-generated from the program code, so possibilities to manually add stuff are very

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Harm, > I read > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2018-04/msg00741.html > different, i.e. the OP wants the needed space inserted at the end of the bar. Hmmm… Looking back, I see that the OP wrote: > I want the space that is inserted to be at the end of the bar > so the notes

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Thomas Morley
2018-04-25 0:10 GMT+02:00 Kieren MacMillan : > That version, while good to know about, doesn’t allow the notes to space > themselves normally: > > I believe the OP wanted (and I definitely want) the notes in that measure to > be spaced normally. Hi Kieren, I

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Harm, > Another hack: That version, while good to know about, doesn’t allow the notes to space themselves normally: I believe the OP wanted (and I definitely want) the notes in that measure to be spaced normally. Thanks, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan,

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Thomas Morley
2018-04-24 17:09 GMT+02:00 Kieren MacMillan : > Hi all, > >>> It would be nice to be able to arbitrarily set the duration of the moment >>> that would (if necessary) be stretched. >> Ah, I follow now. Interesting! Thanks Kieren! > > Here’s a hack that shows the

Re: is the lyric tie tweakable?

2018-04-24 Thread Risto Vääräniemi
Hi Kieren, David & all, I was searching for a way to shift the lyric tie around and I found this thread from a year back. It looked promising and so I tried David's cool looking tiedLyricOverrides thingy but it only worked partially. I can adjust the word-space but the left-pad does not have any

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread foxfanfare
If I may intervene here: about the documentation quality, I'd must say I disagree. As I said in another post, I find it (globaly) very high ended. I started LP about 3 weeks from now, I'm just finishing the full notation PDF book of almost 900 pages! Of course, I still have a lot more to learn

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Karlin High
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 1:58 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Except when it's a clever way of getting rid of an unwanted semicolon. > Or in this case, create a semicolon hole, a negative semicolon count. > Add one semicolon, and none remains. :) Clean forgot about macros in C. I stand

Re: bug with accacciatura and appoggiatura?

2018-04-24 Thread David Kastrup
Maurits Lamers writes: > One of my students came to me with something peculiar with > accacciatura and appoggiatura when used as the first item in a score > with multiple staffs. Issue 34. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user

Re: Off topic - SITT 20 Studies in Double Stops

2018-04-24 Thread Trevor Bača
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 2:06 AM, Gianmaria Lari wrote: > My question is off topic. I hope it will not be a problem. > > The following is one excerpt from the Sitt book, 20 studies in Double > Stops. > > > Why in the first three measures the G, D and A are written as

Re: Off topic - SITT 20 Studies in Double Stops

2018-04-24 Thread David Kastrup
Lukas-Fabian Moser writes: >>> One might add that string players sometimes tend to not precisely >>> adhere to the written note length in polyphonic double stops: Think of >>> the instances where Bach writes a longer note combined in polyphony >>> with shorter notes which are _not_

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread David Kastrup
Karlin High writes: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Robert Hickman wrote: >> The only way to create good documentation is to listen to your users >> problems and progressively make improvements. > > Yes, exactly! The LilyPond community has a

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Hickman writes: > The only way to create good documentation is to listen to your users > problems and progressively make improvements. "your users" paints a false dichotomy. There is no fundamental difference between you and anybody else writing documentation. --

Re: bug with accacciatura and appoggiatura?

2018-04-24 Thread Paul Scott
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 10:18:42AM -0700, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote: > Maurits, > > > > This is a known glitch. A “dummy” acciaccatura or appoggiatura must be > added to all other voices. See below \grace of the same value will do (it's easier to type). Paul > > > > From: lilypond-user

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Robert (and Karlin), >> Whatever help I would get from the C-people, getting rid >> of the semicolons would not be part of it. > > This is **NOT** the point I am making No, of course not — I would imagine Karlin was simply responding to your comment > Personally I prefer the syntax

RE: bug with accacciatura and appoggiatura?

2018-04-24 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
Maurits, This is a known glitch. A "dummy" acciaccatura or appoggiatura must be added to all other voices. See below From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Maurits Lamers Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:12 AM To: Lilypond-User Mailing

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
On 24 April 2018 at 16:18, Karlin High wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Robert Hickman wrote: >> The only way to create good documentation is to listen to your users >> problems and progressively make improvements. > > Yes, exactly! The

bug with accacciatura and appoggiatura?

2018-04-24 Thread Maurits Lamers
Hi all, One of my students came to me with something peculiar with accacciatura and appoggiatura when used as the first item in a score with multiple staffs. I tried to find any obvious errors in his code, but I couldn't find anything. I managed to create a minimal working example, included

Re: Hairpins, brackets and dynamics

2018-04-24 Thread Davide Liessi
2018-04-24 12:02 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley : > How about below? It's working perfectly! > It is ensured the bracketed hairpin is always of equal length as the > original. Ofcourse this means the visible hairpin is shortened a > little. Exactly what I had in mind! Many

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Karlin High
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Robert Hickman wrote: > The only way to create good documentation is to listen to your users > problems and progressively make improvements. Yes, exactly! The LilyPond community has a process for this.

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, >> It would be nice to be able to arbitrarily set the duration of the moment >> that would (if necessary) be stretched. > Ah, I follow now. Interesting! Thanks Kieren! Here’s a hack that shows the desired outcome [in the first measure]: \version "2.18.2" { \partial 2 << {

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Ben
On 4/24/2018 11:04 AM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Ben, I don't quite follow what you're asking. I know what he’s asking about… It’s something I’ve been asking about for quite a long time (>5 years): forcing a *measure* or even *group of measures* (in OP's case, a single measure) to stretch

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
> ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > > I don't quite follow what you're asking. > > Info from other threads a while back, which could assist you: > > * The action of

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Ben, > I don't quite follow what you're asking. I know what he’s asking about… It’s something I’ve been asking about for quite a long time (>5 years): forcing a *measure* or even *group of measures* (in OP's case, a single measure) to stretch to accommodate another grob (in OP’s case, a

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Ben
On 4/24/2018 10:50 AM, Robert Hickman wrote: On 24 April 2018 at 15:41, Robert Hickman wrote: \textLengthOn Makes lilypond format relative to the length of the textual annotations instead of the notes. However it does this by inserting a huge gap between the note with

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Ben
On 4/24/2018 10:41 AM, Robert Hickman wrote: \textLengthOn Makes lilypond format relative to the length of the textual annotations instead of the notes. However it does this by inserting a huge gap between the note with the annotation and the next note. Is there a command that does the same

Re: \textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
On 24 April 2018 at 15:41, Robert Hickman wrote: > \textLengthOn Makes lilypond format relative to the length of the > textual annotations instead of the notes. However it does this by > inserting a huge gap between the note with the annotation and the next > note. Is there

\textLengthOn relative to bar lines instead of following note

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
\textLengthOn Makes lilypond format relative to the length of the textual annotations instead of the notes. However it does this by inserting a huge gap between the note with the annotation and the next note. Is there a command that does the same thing relative to the bar lines. e.g. formats notes

Re: frescobaldi clipboard file name

2018-04-24 Thread David Wright
On Tue 24 Apr 2018 at 08:53:01 (+0200), Gianmaria Lari wrote: > On 23 April 2018 at 15:48, David Wright wrote: > > > On Mon 23 Apr 2018 at 09:43:01 (+0200), Gianmaria Lari wrote: > > > The following frescobaldi snippet call the "more.com" program with the > > >

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
The only way to create good documentation is to listen to your users problems and progressively make improvements. On 24 April 2018 at 14:49, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi Robert, > >> If I misinterpreted it you can guarantee >> that other people are also doing so.

Re: Off topic - SITT 20 Studies in Double Stops

2018-04-24 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
One might add that string players sometimes tend to not precisely adhere to the written note length in polyphonic double stops: Think of the instances where Bach writes a longer note combined in polyphony with shorter notes which are _not_ legato. Playing non-legato and repeating the long note

Re: \include command and local network folders

2018-04-24 Thread David Wright
On Tue 24 Apr 2018 at 00:42:32 (-0700), foxfanfare wrote: > Knute Snortum wrote > > My tests on Windows 10 indicate that lilypond.exe can't handle UNC > > notation. This is true even of a local file. > > Let me wonder if everybody here use linux! > Maybe is it time for me to go for it... All

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Robert, > If I misinterpreted it you can guarantee > that other people are also doing so. Well, that’s a faulty generalization… ;) … but IMO more clarity is always better. As they say: "Patches [to the docs] are always gratefully accepted." Cheers, Kieren.

Re: Lilypond slow to start up on the Mac

2018-04-24 Thread Tim McNamara
> On Apr 23, 2018, at 1:13 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 23 Apr 2018 at 11:40:46 (-0400), Arle Lommel wrote: >> I’ve noticed on the Mac for some time that the first time I invoke Lilypond >> from an external application after a reboot, it can take quite a while

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
> The example looks pretty clear to me. "marked with" is not really > synonymous with "surrounded with" in my book even though it could be > more explicit about just how the marks are supposed to be made. > If I misinterpreted it you can guarantee that other people are also doing so. The

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Hickman writes: > Personally I prefer the syntax used by ABC notation, with all notes of > a slur inside the parans, but I don't see it being changed at this > point. How does this work for consecutive slurs, like LilyPond's { c4( d)( e2) } ? { (c4 (d) e2) }

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
On 24 April 2018 at 14:25, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi Robert, > >> Instead the correct syntax should be: >> >> g (b d g) > > No… the correct syntax is > > g( b d g) > > The ( is attached, postfix, to the first note of the slurred group. Stating that in the

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Robert, > Instead the correct syntax should be: > > g (b d g) No… the correct syntax is g( b d g) The ( is attached, postfix, to the first note of the slurred group. Hope this helps! Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website:

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Hickman writes: > Actually it's a misinterpretation. The documentation does not make it > clear that the start of the slur should be after the first note of the > slur. > > a'2 (a'4 a'4 ) What documentation are you talking about here? -- David Kastrup

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread David Kastrup
Robert Hickman writes: > The documentation says that slurs can be created by putting notes > within '()' What documentation would state that? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
Hi Karlin "Unclear documentation can be improved. Need a reference for it, though; where was this found?" I'm talking about the following page: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/learning/ties-and-slurs.en.html The page states: "A slur is a curve drawn across many notes. The starting

Re: Off topic - SITT 20 Studies in Double Stops

2018-04-24 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup writes: > Lukas-Fabian Moser writes: >> >> One might add that string players sometimes tend to not precisely >> adhere to the written note length in polyphonic double stops: Think of >> the instances where Bach writes a longer note combined in polyphony

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Karlin High
On 4/24/2018 7:57 AM, Robert Hickman wrote: The documentation does not make it clear that the start of the slur should be after the first note of the slur. Unclear documentation can be improved. Need a reference for it, though; where was this found? -- Karlin High Missouri, USA

Re: Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
Actually it's a misinterpretation. The documentation does not make it clear that the start of the slur should be after the first note of the slur. a'2 (a'4 a'4 ) On 24 April 2018 at 13:50, Robert Hickman wrote: > The documentation says that slurs can be created by

Slurs do not work with Larsen articulations

2018-04-24 Thread Robert Hickman
The documentation says that slurs can be created by putting notes within '()' however this does not work in combination with the Larsen articulation symbols: { (a'2 a'4\cut a'4\strike) } I get the following error: error: syntax error, unexpected EVENT_IDENTIFIER (a'2 a'4\cut

Re: Off topic - SITT 20 Studies in Double Stops

2018-04-24 Thread David Kastrup
Lukas-Fabian Moser writes: >>> The following is one excerpt from the Sitt book, 20 studies in >>> Double Stops. >>> >>> >>> Why in the first three measures the G, D and A are written as >>> g4~4~4~4  d4~4~4~4  a4~4~4~4 instead of g1 d1 a1? Any idea? >> >> That’s clearly due to the

Re: New to Lilypond - Questions about using Python to structure Lilypond scores

2018-04-24 Thread Ben
On 4/23/2018 4:45 PM, AikiZen wrote: Le Mon, 23 Apr 2018 14:57:24 -0400, Ben a écrit : Now that I think about it, you may actually find better success with Music21 - have you heard of it? It's a large collection of goodies that will tick a lot of boxes for a lot of

Re: Off topic - SITT 20 Studies in Double Stops

2018-04-24 Thread Lukas-Fabian Moser
The following is one excerpt from the Sitt book, 20 studies in Double Stops. Why in the first three measures the G, D and A are written as g4~4~4~4  d4~4~4~4  a4~4~4~4 instead of g1 d1 a1? Any idea? That’s clearly due to the pedagogical purpose; since the etudes are about Double Stops,

Re: Lilypond slow to start up on the Mac

2018-04-24 Thread Arle Lommel
I'm using the latest development build, but had notes the same problem using the latest 2.18 build, so I don't see a way to update to anything more recent in this case. I wouldn't have thought of a font cache, but that gives me something to test and report back on. Perhaps it is a recurrence

Re: Hairpins, brackets and dynamics

2018-04-24 Thread Thomas Morley
2018-04-24 9:51 GMT+02:00 Davide Liessi : > Dear all, > I need to engrave a hairpin in brackets after a \fz. > I tried LSR 771 (http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=771) with the > following results: > > \version "2.19.65" > > %http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=771 >

Hairpins, brackets and dynamics

2018-04-24 Thread Davide Liessi
Dear all, I need to engrave a hairpin in brackets after a \fz. I tried LSR 771 (http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=771) with the following results: \version "2.19.65" %http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=771 hairpinBetweenText = #(define-music-function (leftText rightText) (markup? markup?) #{

Re: Off topic - SITT 20 Studies in Double Stops

2018-04-24 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 24.04.2018 09:06, Gianmaria Lari wrote: The following is one excerpt from the Sitt book, 20 studies in Double Stops. Why in the first three measures the G, D and A are written as g4~4~4~4  d4~4~4~4  a4~4~4~4 instead of g1 d1 a1? Any idea? That’s clearly due to the pedagogical purpose;

Re: Off topic - SITT 20 Studies in Double Stops

2018-04-24 Thread Aaron Hill
On 2018-04-24 00:06, Gianmaria Lari wrote: My question is off topic. I hope it will not be a problem. The following is one excerpt from the Sitt book, 20 studies in Double Stops. Why in the first three measures the G, D and A are written as g4~4~4~4 d 4~4~4~4 a4~4~4~4 instead of g1 d1

Re: \include command and local network folders

2018-04-24 Thread foxfanfare
Knute Snortum wrote > My tests on Windows 10 indicate that lilypond.exe can't handle UNC > notation. This is true even of a local file. Let me wonder if everybody here use linux! Maybe is it time for me to go for it... -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html

Re: lyluatex: cannot increase the line width

2018-04-24 Thread Federico Bruni
I've added this issue: https://github.com/jperon/lyluatex/issues/195 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Off topic - SITT 20 Studies in Double Stops

2018-04-24 Thread Gianmaria Lari
My question is off topic. I hope it will not be a problem. The following is one excerpt from the Sitt book, 20 studies in Double Stops. Why in the first three measures the G, D and A are written as g4~4~4~4 d 4~4~4~4 a4~4~4~4 instead of g1 d1 a1? Any idea? Ciao, g.

Re: frescobaldi clipboard file name

2018-04-24 Thread Gianmaria Lari
On 23 April 2018 at 15:48, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 23 Apr 2018 at 09:43:01 (+0200), Gianmaria Lari wrote: > > The following frescobaldi snippet call the "more.com" program with the > > parameter "\\readme" > > > > -*- python; > > from subprocess import call > >