Re: A LilyPond Café in Paris

[Carl Sorensen]

Wish I was in France to see it!

Carl


 


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Re: divisi music for one measure

[David Kastrup]

Valentin Villenave  writes:

> And by the way, one last thing: I noticed in your first post that you used
>  \markup { 1. Was}
> for the beginning of your German lyrics. There are less complicated
> possibilities, for example
>  "1. Was"
> or
> １._Was
> (ok, that last one is sort of a hack).
> My point is, you could prefer using \markup for cases where adding
> formatting is required, for example in this case:
> \markup { \small \number 1. Was }

Oh come on.



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Re: divisi music for one measure

[Valentin Villenave]

On 4/5/19, N. Andrew Walsh  wrote:
> How can I keep this phrasing slur where
> it is, when the lyrics in both voices terminate on a note tied to that f4.
> in Bar 8?

Greetings Andrew,
I’m not sure what’s happening there (an example would be helpful):
phrasing slurs entered as \( \) are not supposed to affect lyrics.
(That’s the point of using these instead of slurs entered with
parentheses.)

If there’s a hyphen error, then most likely your syllable count has
changed somewhere due to your tricks with associatedVoices, and
therefore no longer matches the notes.

As far as slurs go, you may be interested in various useful hacks, for
example using the empty chord <> as an anchor in case you need to
switch between mono- and polyphonic constructs:

{
  g'1\(
  << {a'2 b'} \\ fis'1 >>
  <>\)
  d'1
  b\( <>\)
  << {e'2 fis'} \\ cis'1 >>
}


And by the way, one last thing: I noticed in your first post that you used
 \markup { 1. Was}
for the beginning of your German lyrics. There are less complicated
possibilities, for example
 "1. Was"
or
１._Was
(ok, that last one is sort of a hack).
My point is, you could prefer using \markup for cases where adding
formatting is required, for example in this case:
\markup { \small \number 1. Was }

Cheers,
V.

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Re: A LilyPond Café in Paris

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Valentin,
Thanks for posting. Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow.
Cheers,
Pierre

Le ven. 5 avr. 2019 à 22:21, Valentin Villenave  a
écrit :

> Greetings everybody,
>
> just to let you know that a French contributor, Mathieu Demange, has
> managed to put together a LilyPond event tomorrow in Paris:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user-fr/2019-02/msg00178.html
>
> We’re hoping that it can turn into a regular event; at the very least
> the location that’ll be hosting it is quite enthusiastic and willing
> to help us make it so. (It’s taking place at the Musical Library in
> Forum des Halles, dead center of Paris where all subway and train
> lines converge. Which is to say, no one could ever dream a more
> suitable place.)
>
> Quite a bunch of French-speaking users and contributors are expected
> to attend; among others, long-time developer John Mandereau is said to
> drop by, as well as Pierre Perol-Schneider who’s also active on
> English-speaking lists, and many others (among whom yours truly).
> Offered as a "free buffet" from 3 to 6pm, this event welcomes both
> hardcore LilyPonders doing quite complicated things, as well as mere
> beginners or simply curious people interested either in music or nifty
> pieces of Free software (ideally in both). There should be some short
> lectures, as well as more informal exchanges, Q. sessions, demos,
> tutorials and so on.
>
> I’ll let you know how it went, but hopefully this can set a precedent
> and possibly provide some kind of a roadmap for other people to
> organize similar events elsewhere in France and other countries!
>
> Cheers,
> V.
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A LilyPond Café in Paris

[Valentin Villenave]

Greetings everybody,

just to let you know that a French contributor, Mathieu Demange, has
managed to put together a LilyPond event tomorrow in Paris:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user-fr/2019-02/msg00178.html

We’re hoping that it can turn into a regular event; at the very least
the location that’ll be hosting it is quite enthusiastic and willing
to help us make it so. (It’s taking place at the Musical Library in
Forum des Halles, dead center of Paris where all subway and train
lines converge. Which is to say, no one could ever dream a more
suitable place.)

Quite a bunch of French-speaking users and contributors are expected
to attend; among others, long-time developer John Mandereau is said to
drop by, as well as Pierre Perol-Schneider who’s also active on
English-speaking lists, and many others (among whom yours truly).
Offered as a "free buffet" from 3 to 6pm, this event welcomes both
hardcore LilyPonders doing quite complicated things, as well as mere
beginners or simply curious people interested either in music or nifty
pieces of Free software (ideally in both). There should be some short
lectures, as well as more informal exchanges, Q. sessions, demos,
tutorials and so on.

I’ll let you know how it went, but hopefully this can set a precedent
and possibly provide some kind of a roadmap for other people to
organize similar events elsewhere in France and other countries!

Cheers,
V.

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Re: Polymeter help

[Urs Liska]

Am 5. April 2019 17:06:27 MESZ schrieb Andrew Bernard 
:
>Indeed. I would far prefer that to the blank part at the end. Good
>idea.
>

The problem I see here is that this would require a complementary difference at 
the next system *start*.

>Andrew
>
>
>On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 01:53, Urs Liska  wrote:
>
>>
>> and maybe some \stopStaff ?
>>
>>

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Re: Automatically splitting long notes according to the beat?

[David Bellows]

Hey David,

> When all else fails, try reading the documentation.

> 

>\new Voice \with { \remove "Note_heads_engraver"
   \consists "Completion_heads_engraver"
   completionUnit = #(ly:make-moment 1/4)
 }
>{c'8 c'2 c'4 c'8}

Wow. I actually read through that section many times and never picked
up on the fact that completionUnit would help out in this case -- I
thought it only affected the split when it happened across bar lines.

Anyway, this works perfectly and gives one a lot of control on how to
split things up. Thanks!


On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 6:27 AM David Kastrup  wrote:
>
> David Bellows  writes:
>
> > Lilypond groups beams automatically according to the beat. If you use
> > the "Completion_heads_engraver" you can get Lilypond to automatically
> > split long notes at bar lines tying them together.
> >
> > So I'm wondering if Lilypond can automatically split long notes
> > according to the beat and if I am just missing something?
>
> When all else fails, try reading the documentation.
>
> 
>
> > If you have something like:
> >
> > {c'8 c'2 c'4 c'8}
> >
> > then you might want it to automatically split at the middle of the bar:
> >
> > {c'8 c'4.~c'8 c'4 c'8}
> >
> > or even on every beat:
> >
> > {c'8 c'8~c'4~c'8 c'8~c'8 c'8}
>
> \new Voice \with { \remove "Note_heads_engraver"
>\consists "Completion_heads_engraver"
>completionUnit = #(ly:make-moment 1/4)
>  }
> {c'8 c'2 c'4 c'8}
>
>
> > I've been searching for a while but I haven't been able to find
> > mention of this anywhere though I might not be using the correct
> > search terms.
>
> completionUnit is likely a v2.19 feature.  At least the v2.18
> documentation does not mention it yet.
>
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Re: Polymeter help

[Andrew Bernard]

Indeed. I would far prefer that to the blank part at the end. Good idea.

Andrew


On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 01:53, Urs Liska  wrote:

>
> and maybe some \stopStaff ?
>
>
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Re: Polymeter help

[Urs Liska]

Am 5. April 2019 14:08:07 MESZ schrieb Phil Holmes :
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Kieren MacMillan" 
>To: "Andrew Bernard" 
>Cc: "Lilypond-User Mailing List" 
>Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 12:48 PM
>Subject: Re: Polymeter help
>
>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>>> I am just looking for advice. I would not expect anybody to code
>this up.
>>
>> =)
>>
>> I don’t see what the problem would be, ultimately…? I’ve never had
>any 
>> [real] problem with polymeter, or with putting "empty space" at the
>end of 
>> the system (by using skips and \bar "").
>>
>> This just looks like a combination of those two concepts. Yes?
>>
>> If you want — and you haven’t solved it by then — I’ll sketch up some
>code 
>> later this weekend.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kieren.
>> 
>>
>> Kieren MacMillan, composer
>> ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
>> ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info
>
>
>Also possibly a bit of scaling of durations?
>

and maybe some \stopStaff ?

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Re:Polymeter help

[Karim Haddad]

Sorry for messed up Subject.
In reply to Andrew's post :



Dear Andrew

I suspect that either your composer is wrong, or the time signature of the two 
last staves is not 4/4 but some kind of irrational timesignature.
Here is a compiled and correct layout following your specifications of 
polytempi done with lilypond. In Lily it is possible and pretty much cool.
I use it for my compositions where polytempi and polymetrics are current. It 
even plays the correct timing in midi ! The trick is to use scaleDurations 
based on a tempo of 60 but you can tweak it as you like.

the example of stave 2 and 4 of your example here:


"one"=
{
%%
%%% VOICE : 1 
%%

#(set-accidental-style 'dodecaphonic)

%%% MESURE : 1 %%%
\scaleDurations 15/13 {
\time 3/4
\set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(3 . 4)
\mark \markup {\left-column {{\line { \smaller \general-align #Y #DOWN  \note 
#"4" #1 " = 52 "}} \tiny "1"}} 
a2.~ 
|
}
\once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"
%%% MESURE : 2 %%%
\scaleDurations 15/13 {
\time 3/4
\set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(3 . 4)
a2~ a8.~  a16
|
}
\once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"
} 
 

"two"=
{
%%
%%% VOICE : 2 
%%

#(set-accidental-style 'dodecaphonic)

%%% MESURE : 1 %%%
\scaleDurations 20/21 {
\time 4/4
\set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(4 . 4)
\mark \markup {\left-column {{\line { \smaller \general-align #Y #DOWN  \note 
#"4" #1 " = 63 "}} \tiny "1"}} 
\clef F
\tuplet 5/4 {f,8 [bih,8.~ ]}
\tuplet 7/8 {bih,16 [g,32~ g,8~ ]}
g,4~
\tuplet 5/4 {g,8.~ [ 8 ] }
|
}
\once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"
%%% MESURE : 2 %%%
\scaleDurations 20/21 {
\time 4/4
\set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(4 . 4)
a,16. c,8~
c,4~
\tuplet 3/2 {c,4~ 8~}
4
|

}
\once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"
} 
 

\score { 
 { 

<<
\new ChoirStaff
<< 



\new Staff  {
\one
}

\new Staff  {
\two
}
 >> 
 >>

} 
%%

Sorry for this non brief example...
(attached what i beleive the correct timing is)

Best
K


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> To: lilypond-user Mailinglist 
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> I am just looking for advice. I would not expect anybody to code this up.
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Re: Automatically splitting long notes according to the beat?

[David Kastrup]

David Bellows  writes:

> Lilypond groups beams automatically according to the beat. If you use
> the "Completion_heads_engraver" you can get Lilypond to automatically
> split long notes at bar lines tying them together.
>
> So I'm wondering if Lilypond can automatically split long notes
> according to the beat and if I am just missing something?

When all else fails, try reading the documentation.



> If you have something like:
>
> {c'8 c'2 c'4 c'8}
>
> then you might want it to automatically split at the middle of the bar:
>
> {c'8 c'4.~c'8 c'4 c'8}
>
> or even on every beat:
>
> {c'8 c'8~c'4~c'8 c'8~c'8 c'8}

\new Voice \with { \remove "Note_heads_engraver"
   \consists "Completion_heads_engraver"
   completionUnit = #(ly:make-moment 1/4)
 }
{c'8 c'2 c'4 c'8}


> I've been searching for a while but I haven't been able to find
> mention of this anywhere though I might not be using the correct
> search terms.

completionUnit is likely a v2.19 feature.  At least the v2.18
documentation does not mention it yet.

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Re: [OLL] Setting up options for local package

[Pedro Pessoa]

Thanks for looking into it.
The issue describes the situation well. I've almost succeded in
implementing the first solution with config (in oll core), but it was too
messy so I dropped it. But then, the new proposal with  "applyOpts" seems
to be more elegant.

Will keep an eye on oll activity,
Pedro

Em qui, 4 de abr de 2019 05:50, Urs Liska  escreveu:

> Hi Pedro,
>
> I've now looked into the code, and the issue is the following
>
> \loadPackage \with {
>   option = "B"
> } local
>
> will set the option correctly, but only *after* loading the package. This
> means the option is available within your test.ly file after loading the
> package. This is basically a shorthand for loading the package and *then*
> configuring it.
>
> What is currently not possible is setting the option in a way that the
> package itself can make use of it. This is exactly the issue I referenced
> (only that I had only noticed it on the *module* level). So what is needed
> is basically a workaround similar to what you did, but it should be done in
> oll-core, not by an individual package.
>
> I hope this can be fixed rather soon (it shouldn't be that hard but I
> currently have to restrain myself from diving into such issues).
>
> Urs
> Am 30.03.19 um 23:45 schrieb Pedro Pessoa:
>
> Hello,
> I'm trying to use OLL infrastructure to organize my local toolset. I'm
> mostly trying to mimic the structure of other packages and modules. I've an
> aparently working package called 'local', where I intend to put all my
> personal tools as modules/submodules.
>
> I'm currently having an apparently simple problem dealing with options.
> The option I set on the loadPackage or loadModule "\with" does not take
> precedence over the value used in register the options.
>
> Eg:
> %%% file: local/package.ily
>
> \include "oll-core/package.ily"
> \registerOption local.option "A"
> #(display (getOption '(local option)))
>
> %%% end
>
> %%% file: whatever/project.ly
>
> \include "oll-core/package.ily"
> \loadPackage \with {
>   option = "B"
> } local
>
> %%% end
>
> -- Outputs: "A"
>
>
>
>
> I've came up with a workaround, but then I tought that is most likely I just
> don't know how to proper handle it. "\registerDefaultOpt" is a simple
> function that only register the value if the option is unregistered.
>
> %%% file: local/package.ily
>
> \include "oll-core/package.ily"
> \registerDefaultOpt local.option "A"
> #(display (getOption '(local option)))
>
> %%% end
>
> %%% file: whatever/project.ly
>
> \include "oll-core/package.ily"
> \registerOption local.option "B"
> \loadPackage local
>
> %%% end
>
> -- Outputs: "B"
>
>
>
> So the question is: how to properly handle this?
> Cheers,
> -- Pedro Pessoa
>
>
>
> --
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Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 197, Issue 22

[Karim Haddad]

Dear Andrew

I suspect that either your composer is Wrong, or the time signature of the two 
last staves is not 4/4 but somekink of irrational timesignature.
Here is a compiled and correct layout following your specifications of 
polytempi done with lilypond. It is really possible and cool.
I use it for my compositions where polytempi and polymetrics are current. It 
even plays the correct timing in midi ! The trick is to use scaleDurations 
based on a tempo of 60 but you can tweak it as you like.

the example of stave 2 and 4 of your example here:


"one"=
{
%%
%%% VOICE : 1 
%%

#(set-accidental-style 'dodecaphonic)

%%% MESURE : 1 %%%
\scaleDurations 15/13 {
\time 3/4
\set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(3 . 4)
\mark \markup {\left-column {{\line { \smaller \general-align #Y #DOWN  \note 
#"4" #1 " = 52 "}} \tiny "1"}} 
a2.~ 
|
}
\once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"
%%% MESURE : 2 %%%
\scaleDurations 15/13 {
\time 3/4
\set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(3 . 4)
a2~ a8.~  a16
|
}
\once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"
} 
 

"two"=
{
%%
%%% VOICE : 2 
%%

#(set-accidental-style 'dodecaphonic)

%%% MESURE : 1 %%%
\scaleDurations 20/21 {
\time 4/4
\set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(4 . 4)
\mark \markup {\left-column {{\line { \smaller \general-align #Y #DOWN  \note 
#"4" #1 " = 63 "}} \tiny "1"}} 
\clef F
\tuplet 5/4 {f,8 [bih,8.~ ]}
\tuplet 7/8 {bih,16 [g,32~ g,8~ ]}
g,4~
\tuplet 5/4 {g,8.~ [ 8 ] }
|
}
\once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"
%%% MESURE : 2 %%%
\scaleDurations 20/21 {
\time 4/4
\set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(4 . 4)
a,16. c,8~
c,4~
\tuplet 3/2 {c,4~ 8~}
4
|

}
\once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"
} 
 

\score { 
 { 

<<
\new ChoirStaff
<< 



\new Staff  {
\one
}

\new Staff  {
\two
}
 >> 
 >>

} 
%%

Sorry for this non brief example...
(attached what i beleive the correct timing is)

Best
K

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> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 21:56:03 +1100
> From: Andrew Bernard 
> To: lilypond-user Mailinglist 
> Subject: Polymeter help
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Let me say at the outset that I suspect this may be impossible. I am
> thoroughly deadlocked at a page of the quartet of the composer I am
> setting. This section is in polymeter, but the composer has scaled the
> durations of the viola and cello by an unknown factor, and also and insists
> on the end of the staves not being at the some point. I am unable to see
> how to implement the page breaks in lilypond.
> 
> I can't provide a MWE because I simply cant get anything useful to work.
> Please refer to the attached image. The upper tow parts are supposed to be
> at tempo 52. and the lower at 63, but lilypond of course does not lay out
> by tempo.
> 
> The poymeter examples in the NR are great, but it's the end of system
> unevenness at the right hand side of the page I have no idea how to deal
> with.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Polymeter help

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kieren MacMillan" 

To: "Andrew Bernard" 
Cc: "Lilypond-User Mailing List" 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Polymeter help



Hi Andrew,


I am just looking for advice. I would not expect anybody to code this up.


=)

I don’t see what the problem would be, ultimately…? I’ve never had any 
[real] problem with polymeter, or with putting "empty space" at the end of 
the system (by using skips and \bar "").


This just looks like a combination of those two concepts. Yes?

If you want — and you haven’t solved it by then — I’ll sketch up some code 
later this weekend.


Cheers,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info



Also possibly a bit of scaling of durations?

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Re: Polymeter help

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Andrew,

> I am just looking for advice. I would not expect anybody to code this up.

=)

I don’t see what the problem would be, ultimately…? I’ve never had any [real] 
problem with polymeter, or with putting "empty space" at the end of the system 
(by using skips and \bar "").

This just looks like a combination of those two concepts. Yes?

If you want — and you haven’t solved it by then — I’ll sketch up some code 
later this weekend.

Cheers,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info


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Re: Polymeter help

[Andrew Bernard]

I am just looking for advice. I would not expect anybody to code this up.

Andrew
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Re: Automatically splitting long notes according to the beat?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Rudi,

>> But there are almost certainly problems with such a kludge.
> the bar numbering is two times to fast!

Good point!

Fortunately, there’s a function out there (LSR?) to decrement the bar number — 
just throw that in the function after the first invisible bar.  =)

Cheers,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer
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Re: Automatically splitting long notes according to the beat?

[Rudi Guggt]

Hello,


Aaron Hill wrote
> But there are almost certainly problems with such a kludge.

the bar numbering is two times to fast!

greetings





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Re: divisi music for one measure

[N. Andrew Walsh]

Hi Valentin, List,

now a follow-up: you see that there's a phrasing slur that begins in Bar 4
and ends on a tied note in Bar 8. How can I keep this phrasing slur where
it is, when the lyrics in both voices terminate on a note tied to that f4.
in Bar 8? I either get errors about unterminated hyphens or unterminated
phrasing slurs.

Thanks for the help,

A

On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM N. Andrew Walsh 
wrote:

> Hi Valentin,
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 6:10 PM Valentin Villenave 
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/4/19, N. Andrew Walsh  wrote:
>> > how do I ensure that only the lyrics in \altvocoLyricsSop get
>> > attached to it, then resume following \voceMusicSop afterwards?
>>
>> You can \set the associatedVoice property to another Voice’s name
>> whenever you want; see
>>
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/latest/Documentation/notation/common-notation-for-vocal-music#aligning-lyrics-to-a-melody
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>
> That's exactly what I needed. Thanks so much!
>
> Cheers,
>
> A
>
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