Re: Re-using "\with" contexts
Dear Lukas, Pierre, David,
Thank you all for your expert advice and examples. It is indeed quite
straightforward - when you know how! I'll now be able to finish off my
current piece, and start on the next one...
cheers,
Alasdair
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 1:21 AM David Kastrup wrote:
> Alasdair McAndrew writes:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > There are examples of changing a staff context in the manual, for
> example at
> >
> >
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.21/Documentation/snippets/pitches#pitches-creating-custom-key-signatures
> >
> > Here a new staff is instantiated; with about 10 lines of "\with" to
> change
> > its appearance and behaviour.
> >
> > However, if I wish to use several such staves, I don't want to be copying
> > the "\with" material into each one. Is it possible to create a new
> context
> > just from such a definition? What I mean is something like
> >
> > myStaff = staff \with {
> > < lots of lines of definition >
> > }
> >
> > so that I can simply create a new staff the way I want it with, for
> example
> >
> > \new myStaff {
> >
> > }
> >
> > All I want is an example. There is some information about defining a new
> > context, but in my case all I want is a tweaked version of a current
> > context.
>
> \layout {
> \context {
> \Staff
> \name "myStaff"
> < lots of lines of definition >
> }
> \inherit-acceptability myStaff Staff
> }
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>
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Re: Acciaccatura question/issue
As a further aside, because these are graces, there's nothing wrong with having them as 16s but they are not really tuplets three in the space of 2 because the whole point is they occupy no notation time. They'd be clearer just as 3 16s. People like Chopin have long grace runs with maybe 17 notes but not written as tuplet. Andrew
Re: Acciaccatura question/issue
Turning this into compilable code with a couple of braces, directly copied from you post, works just fine for me with lilypond 2.23.10. Given they are tuplets technically they are really graces not appogiaturas, but that has no bearing on your issue. And yes it is correct that notation wise graces and appogiaturas occupy no musical time in a bar. Andrew
Re: Acciaccatura question/issue
Unfortunately I don't think I can. I can post/send the entire thing
which will drive everyone hatefully crazy that's why I just took the
part that didn't do what I expected. The first measure is correct with
4 quarters in the bar the second one doesn't only 3 with the
acciaccatura. I use a lot of partials in this piece (or set of pieces)
and up to this point everything compiles as expected so if you have an
idea of how much of this to send great otherwise I'm stuck, because it
doesn't work in context of the whole.
Jay
BTW thank you for responding. And I'm happy to know that my ancient
understanding of the ornament is still current.
J
On 2022-07-15 17:38, Knute Snortum wrote:
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 3:34 PM jh wrote:
using 2.22.2 in fresco, my very old understanding of grace and
acciaccatura is that they receive no duration value in a measure.
That's correct.
the
following Minimal example using forget for accidentals when compiled
allows only 3 quarter notes in a 4/4 bar. I changed the 8ths in the
acciaccatura to 16ths in case that was the problem but that's not the
solution.
~
4^\markup {IX}
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes16 ges aes}} 4
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes'16 ges f}} 4
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {ges'16 f d}} bes>4\fermata\bar
"||"
d'8 f es16 ces bes8 aes ces bes16 ges f8 es4 ~ \bar
"||"
So what don't I understand?
Here's your code slightly modified so that it actually compiles:
\version "2.22.2"
\relative {
4^\markup {IX}
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes16 ges aes}} 4
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes'16 ges f}} 4
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {ges'16 f d}} 4\fermata\bar
"||"
d'8 f es16 ces bes8 aes ces bes16 ges f8 es4 ~ \bar "||"
}
I don't see any problem with this code and no errors are produced when
I compile it. Can't you post a minimal *working* example that
demonstrates the problem? (Working, as is "it will compile").
--
Knute Snortum
Re: Acciaccatura question/issue
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 3:34 PM jh wrote:
>
> using 2.22.2 in fresco, my very old understanding of grace and
> acciaccatura is that they receive no duration value in a measure.
That's correct.
> the
> following Minimal example using forget for accidentals when compiled
> allows only 3 quarter notes in a 4/4 bar. I changed the 8ths in the
> acciaccatura to 16ths in case that was the problem but that's not the
> solution.
> ~
> 4^\markup {IX}
> \acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes16 ges aes}} 4
> \acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes'16 ges f}} 4
> \acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {ges'16 f d}} 4\fermata\bar
> "||"
> d'8 f es16 ces bes8 aes ces bes16 ges f8 es4 ~ \bar
> "||"
>
> So what don't I understand?
Here's your code slightly modified so that it actually compiles:
\version "2.22.2"
\relative {
4^\markup {IX}
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes16 ges aes}} 4
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes'16 ges f}} 4
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {ges'16 f d}} 4\fermata\bar "||"
d'8 f es16 ces bes8 aes ces bes16 ges f8 es4 ~ \bar "||"
}
I don't see any problem with this code and no errors are produced when
I compile it. Can't you post a minimal *working* example that
demonstrates the problem? (Working, as is "it will compile").
--
Knute Snortum
Acciaccatura question/issue
using 2.22.2 in fresco, my very old understanding of grace and
acciaccatura is that they receive no duration value in a measure. the
following Minimal example using forget for accidentals when compiled
allows only 3 quarter notes in a 4/4 bar. I changed the 8ths in the
acciaccatura to 16ths in case that was the problem but that's not the
solution.
~
4^\markup {IX}
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes16 ges aes}} 4
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {aes'16 ges f}} 4
\acciaccatura {\times 2/3 {ges'16 f d}} 4\fermata\bar
"||"
d'8 f es16 ces bes8 aes ces bes16 ges f8 es4 ~ \bar
"||"
So what don't I understand?
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Re: Re-using "\with" contexts
Alasdair McAndrew writes:
> Hello,
>
> There are examples of changing a staff context in the manual, for example at
>
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.21/Documentation/snippets/pitches#pitches-creating-custom-key-signatures
>
> Here a new staff is instantiated; with about 10 lines of "\with" to change
> its appearance and behaviour.
>
> However, if I wish to use several such staves, I don't want to be copying
> the "\with" material into each one. Is it possible to create a new context
> just from such a definition? What I mean is something like
>
> myStaff = staff \with {
> < lots of lines of definition >
> }
>
> so that I can simply create a new staff the way I want it with, for example
>
> \new myStaff {
>
> }
>
> All I want is an example. There is some information about defining a new
> context, but in my case all I want is a tweaked version of a current
> context.
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\name "myStaff"
< lots of lines of definition >
}
\inherit-acceptability myStaff Staff
}
--
David Kastrup
Re: Re-using "\with" contexts
Hi Alasdair,
See also:
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.22/Documentation/notation/defining-new-contexts.html
Cheers,
Pierre
Le ven. 15 juil. 2022 à 16:22, Lukas-Fabian Moser a écrit :
> Hi Alasdair,
>
> > Here a new staff is instantiated; with about 10 lines of "\with" to
> > change its appearance and behaviour.
> >
> > However, if I wish to use several such staves, I don't want to be
> > copying the "\with" material into each one. Is it possible to create
> > a new context just from such a definition? What I mean is something like
> >
> > myStaff = staff \with {
> > < lots of lines of definition >
> > }
> >
> > so that I can simply create a new staff the way I want it with, for
> > example
> >
> > \new myStaff {
> >
> > }
> >
> > All I want is an example. There is some information about defining a
> > new context, but in my case all I want is a tweaked version of a
> > current context.
>
> This is easier than one might think, but - somewhat counterintuitively -
> you need _two_ instances of the word \with.
>
> \version "2.23.7"
>
> rainbowSettings = \with {
>\override Clef.color = #red
>\override TimeSignature.color = #green
>\override StaffSymbol.color = #blue
>clefGlyph = "clefs.C"
> }
>
> \new Staff \with \rainbowSettings {
>\key d \major
>d'4
> }
>
> \new Staff \with {
>\rainbowSettings
>\magnifyStaff 2
> } {
>\key d \major
>d'4
> }
>
> And I just found out that you can even do
>
> rainbowSettings = {
>\override Clef.color = #red
>\override TimeSignature.color = #green
>\override StaffSymbol.color = #blue
>\set clefGlyph = "clefs.C"
> }
>
> (To wit, if rainbowSettings are entered as music instead of as a \with
> clause, context properties have to be set with \set.)
>
> Lukas
>
>
>
Re: Re-using "\with" contexts
Hi Alasdair,
Here a new staff is instantiated; with about 10 lines of "\with" to
change its appearance and behaviour.
However, if I wish to use several such staves, I don't want to be
copying the "\with" material into each one. Is it possible to create
a new context just from such a definition? What I mean is something like
myStaff = staff \with {
< lots of lines of definition >
}
so that I can simply create a new staff the way I want it with, for
example
\new myStaff {
}
All I want is an example. There is some information about defining a
new context, but in my case all I want is a tweaked version of a
current context.
This is easier than one might think, but - somewhat counterintuitively -
you need _two_ instances of the word \with.
\version "2.23.7"
rainbowSettings = \with {
\override Clef.color = #red
\override TimeSignature.color = #green
\override StaffSymbol.color = #blue
clefGlyph = "clefs.C"
}
\new Staff \with \rainbowSettings {
\key d \major
d'4
}
\new Staff \with {
\rainbowSettings
\magnifyStaff 2
} {
\key d \major
d'4
}
And I just found out that you can even do
rainbowSettings = {
\override Clef.color = #red
\override TimeSignature.color = #green
\override StaffSymbol.color = #blue
\set clefGlyph = "clefs.C"
}
(To wit, if rainbowSettings are entered as music instead of as a \with
clause, context properties have to be set with \set.)
Lukas
Re-using "\with" contexts
Hello,
There are examples of changing a staff context in the manual, for example at
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.21/Documentation/snippets/pitches#pitches-creating-custom-key-signatures
Here a new staff is instantiated; with about 10 lines of "\with" to change
its appearance and behaviour.
However, if I wish to use several such staves, I don't want to be copying
the "\with" material into each one. Is it possible to create a new context
just from such a definition? What I mean is something like
myStaff = staff \with {
< lots of lines of definition >
}
so that I can simply create a new staff the way I want it with, for example
\new myStaff {
}
All I want is an example. There is some information about defining a new
context, but in my case all I want is a tweaked version of a current
context.
Thanks everybody,
Alasdair
--
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mob: 0432 854 858
https://numbersandshapes.net
