Re: Lyrics above staff

[Jean Abou Samra]

Le vendredi 06 octobre 2023 à 20:26 +, Werner LEMBERG a écrit :
> > > 
> > > OMG! I didn't know that syntax at all. It looks undocumented.
> > 
> Sigh.  We definitely were too careless with documentation then...

https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/issues/6668




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Re: Lyrics above staff

[Dimitrios Sykias]

Thanks all for your help!

The final working code is:

\version "2.24.2"

\score {
\new StaffGroup << 
\new Staff  = "soprano" \with { \override InstrumentName.self-alignment-X = 
#RIGHT instrumentName = #"S. " }
  \new Voice = "S" { 
\relative {  c'4 d e f }
  }
\new Lyrics {
  \lyricsto "S" {
"1" "2" "3" "4"
  }
}
\new Lyrics \with { alignAboveContext = "soprano" } {
  \lyricsto "S" {
"1" "2" "3" "4"
  }
}
  >>
}

Re: Lyrics above staff

[Werner LEMBERG]

>>> Le 6 oct. 2023 à 15:47, David Kastrup  a écrit :
>>> \new Staff = "staff" {
>>>  c'1
>>> } \addlyrics \with { alignAboveContext = "staff"} { Om }
>>
>>
>> OMG! I didn't know that syntax at all. It looks undocumented.
> 
> 

Sigh.  We definitely were too careless with documentation then...


Werner

Re: Lyrics above staff

[David Kastrup]

Jean Abou Samra  writes:

> 
>
>
>> Le 6 oct. 2023 à 15:47, David Kastrup  a écrit :
>> \new Staff = "staff" {
>>  c'1
>> } \addlyrics \with { alignAboveContext = "staff"} { Om }
>
>
> OMG! I didn't know that syntax at all. It looks undocumented.



>From the issue description:

I am actually having problems finding any suitable place to document
this: use of \with ... with anything but \new ... does not seem
documented.

This would likely mean \chords \with ..., \lyrics \with ... and those.

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: Lyrics above staff

[Jean Abou Samra]




> Le 6 oct. 2023 à 15:47, David Kastrup  a écrit :
> \new Staff = "staff" {
>  c'1
> } \addlyrics \with { alignAboveContext = "staff"} { Om }


OMG! I didn't know that syntax at all. It looks undocumented.

Re: Lyrics above staff

[Jean Abou Samra]

> Le 6 oct. 2023 à 18:13, Dimitrios Sykias  a écrit :
> 
>\new Staff  = "soprano" { \with { \override 
> InstrumentName.self-alignment-X = #RIGHT instrumentName = #"S. " } }


You have extraneous braces around \with { ... }

Re: Lyrics above staff

[Dimitrios Sykias]

Thanks for your help!

This works fine:
\version "2.24.2"

\score {
\new StaffGroup << 
\new Staff  = "soprano"
  \new Voice = "S" { 
\relative {  c'4 d e f }
  }
\new Lyrics {
  \lyricsto "S" {
"1" "2" "3" "4"
  }
}
\new Lyrics \with { alignAboveContext = "soprano" } {
  \lyricsto "S" {
"1" "2" "3" "4"
  }
}
  >>
}

But when I try to place the instrument name, I get an error:

\version "2.24.2"

\score {
\new StaffGroup << 
\new Staff  = "soprano" { \with { \override InstrumentName.self-alignment-X 
= #RIGHT instrumentName = #"S. " } }
  \new Voice = "S" { 
\relative {  c'4 d e f }
  }
\new Lyrics {
  \lyricsto "S" {
"1" "2" "3" "4"
  }
    }
    \new Lyrics \with { alignAboveContext = "soprano" } {
  \lyricsto "S" {
"1" "2" "3" "4"
  }
}
  >>
}

> On 6 Oct 2023, at 4:45 PM, David Kastrup  wrote:
> 
> Dimitrios Sykias  writes:
> 
>> Is it possible to place lyrics above staff using \addlyrics? I tried
>> “\addlyrics { \with { alignAboveContext = "staff" }” but it didn’t
>> work. Thanks!
> 
> It does here.
> 
> \new Staff = "staff" {
>  c'1
> } \addlyrics \with { alignAboveContext = "staff"} { Om }
> 
> Maybe you are not clear about what the name behind alignAboveContext
> signifies?  You need to have a VerticalAxis carrying context at the same
> level with the given _name_, not with a particular _type_.
> 
> -- 
> David Kastrup
> 

Re: Lyrics above staff

[David Kastrup]

Dimitrios Sykias  writes:

> Is it possible to place lyrics above staff using \addlyrics? I tried
> “\addlyrics { \with { alignAboveContext = "staff" }” but it didn’t
> work. Thanks!

It does here.

\new Staff = "staff" {
  c'1
} \addlyrics \with { alignAboveContext = "staff"} { Om }

Maybe you are not clear about what the name behind alignAboveContext
signifies?  You need to have a VerticalAxis carrying context at the same
level with the given _name_, not with a particular _type_.

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: Lyrics above staff

[Jean Abou Samra]

> Le 6 oct. 2023 à 14:18, Dimitrios Sykias  a écrit :
> 
> Is it possible to place lyrics above staff using \addlyrics? I tried 
> “\addlyrics  { \with { alignAboveContext = "staff" }” but it didn’t work. 
> Thanks!


{ ... } \addlyrics { ... }

is a shorthand for

<<
  \new Voice = "voice-name" { ... }
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto "voice-name" { ... }
>>

You should use the "expanded" form and insert \with { ... } between \new Lyrics 
and \lyricsto.

BTW: I had to approve your message manually because you're subscribed to the 
list with a different adress.

Lyrics above staff

[Dimitrios Sykias]

Is it possible to place lyrics above staff using \addlyrics? I tried 
“\addlyrics  { \with { alignAboveContext = "staff" }” but it didn’t work. 
Thanks!

Re: Lyrics above staff height inconsistent

[Adam Good]

Aaron,
Thank you for your informative and helpful reply!
This, for the win:

\with {
\override VerticalAxisGroup.nonstaff-relatedstaff-spacing =
  #'((basic-distance . 1.0))
  }

Looks fantastic, problem solved.

Adam

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 12:22 PM Aaron Hill 
wrote:

> On 2021-11-10 7:46 am, Adam Good wrote:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > Here's a question I'm sure has been asked and answered often. I much
> > prefer
> > lyrics below the staff but if I had to, in the example below, what is
> > causing the lyrics on the 2nd and 3rd stafflines to be higher than
> > staffline 1? Playing with:
> >
> > \override VerticalAxisGroup.nonstaff-relatedstaff-spacing.padding
> >
> > ...doesn't quite deliver for me.
>
> Padding is only one element of spacing.  You need to consider
> basic-distance and minimum-distance, perhaps also stretchability.
>
> LilyPond will try to accommodate basic-distance though it does not force
> it to be exact, as it may compress or stretch vertical spacing when
> fitting music to the page.  While minimum-distance does define a strict
> lower bound for the spacing, elements still could be stretched apart.
> Both basic- and minimum-distance are measured from baseline-to-baseline,
> whereas padding factors in the skylines of the content to ensure a
> specified distance between "ink".
>
> The default spacing for Lyrics is a basic-distance of 5.5, padding of
> 0.5, and stretchability of 1.  minimum-distance is unspecified, which I
> believe defaults to zero.
>
> In your example, LilyPond could not accommodate the 5.5 basic-distance
> for the top line of Lyrics and reduced it to the minimum; however,
> factoring in padding results in it being a little further away.  Since
> there seems to be quite a bit of paper space available, it is odd that
> the basic-distance could not be satisfied.  Perhaps there is a subtle
> bug in the layout logic.
>
> The easy fix is to specify minimum-distance as well.  If you like 5.5 as
> a basic-distance, just match that value.
>
>
> -- Aaron Hill
>

Re: Lyrics above staff height inconsistent

[Aaron Hill]

On 2021-11-10 7:46 am, Adam Good wrote:

Dear List,

Here's a question I'm sure has been asked and answered often. I much 
prefer

lyrics below the staff but if I had to, in the example below, what is
causing the lyrics on the 2nd and 3rd stafflines to be higher than
staffline 1? Playing with:

\override VerticalAxisGroup.nonstaff-relatedstaff-spacing.padding

...doesn't quite deliver for me.


Padding is only one element of spacing.  You need to consider 
basic-distance and minimum-distance, perhaps also stretchability.


LilyPond will try to accommodate basic-distance though it does not force 
it to be exact, as it may compress or stretch vertical spacing when 
fitting music to the page.  While minimum-distance does define a strict 
lower bound for the spacing, elements still could be stretched apart.  
Both basic- and minimum-distance are measured from baseline-to-baseline, 
whereas padding factors in the skylines of the content to ensure a 
specified distance between "ink".


The default spacing for Lyrics is a basic-distance of 5.5, padding of 
0.5, and stretchability of 1.  minimum-distance is unspecified, which I 
believe defaults to zero.


In your example, LilyPond could not accommodate the 5.5 basic-distance 
for the top line of Lyrics and reduced it to the minimum; however, 
factoring in padding results in it being a little further away.  Since 
there seems to be quite a bit of paper space available, it is odd that 
the basic-distance could not be satisfied.  Perhaps there is a subtle 
bug in the layout logic.


The easy fix is to specify minimum-distance as well.  If you like 5.5 as 
a basic-distance, just match that value.



-- Aaron Hill

Lyrics above staff height inconsistent

[Adam Good]

Dear List,

Here's a question I'm sure has been asked and answered often. I much prefer
lyrics below the staff but if I had to, in the example below, what is
causing the lyrics on the 2nd and 3rd stafflines to be higher than
staffline 1? Playing with:

\override VerticalAxisGroup.nonstaff-relatedstaff-spacing.padding

...doesn't quite deliver for me.

Any insight is appreciated!

Adam

%%%

\version "2.23.0"
\score {
  <<
\new Staff = "staff" {
  \new Voice = "melody" {
\relative {
  \repeat unfold 3 { f'4 g a b c d e d \break }
}
  }
}
\new Lyrics
\with { alignAboveContext = "staff" }
\with {
  %\override VerticalAxisGroup.nonstaff-relatedstaff-spacing.padding = #-0.5
}

{
  \lyricsto "melody" {
\repeat unfold 6 { Here are the words }
  }
}
  >>
}

Strange behaviour of Lyrics above Staff

[TaoCG]

Hi,

I am having weird results with Lyrics above the Staff.
I tried to reduce the problem to a small snippet.

What I notice is that the distance to the staff is very large except on the
first system on a page.
Also the distance raises if you put a rehearsal mark at the beginning of a
system although they don't collide.

I tried moving the lyrics closer to the staff by overriding the
#'outside-staff-padding property of LyricText but with no effect at all.

Here comes the snippet. If you remove the rehearsal mark you'll see that the
lyrics will move much closer to the staff than on the following systems.

\version 2.13.52

outer = 40
inner = 8

\header
{
title = Test
}

music =
{
\mark \default
\repeat unfold \outer { \repeat unfold \inner { c'8 } \break }
}

text = \lyricmode
{
\repeat unfold \outer { \repeat unfold \inner { foo } }
}

\score
{

\new Staff = s \new Voice = v \music
\new Lyrics \with { alignAboveContext = s }
{
\set associatedVoice = v { \text }
}

}

http://old.nabble.com/file/p31089958/score.pdf score.pdf 
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Re: Strange behaviour of Lyrics above Staff

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: TaoCG tao_lilypondu...@gmx.net

To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 6:04 PM
Subject: Strange behaviour of Lyrics above Staff




Hi,

I am having weird results with Lyrics above the Staff.
I tried to reduce the problem to a small snippet.

What I notice is that the distance to the staff is very large except on 
the

first system on a page.
Also the distance raises if you put a rehearsal mark at the beginning of a
system although they don't collide.

I tried moving the lyrics closer to the staff by overriding the
#'outside-staff-padding property of LyricText but with no effect at all.

Here comes the snippet. If you remove the rehearsal mark you'll see that 
the

lyrics will move much closer to the staff than on the following systems.



Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1486 and 
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1483 which I think will 
clarify some of this for you.  You may need to experiment with staff spacing 
commands and lyric affinities.


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Re: Strange behaviour of Lyrics above Staff

[TaoCG]

Phil Holmes-2 wrote:
 
 Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1486 and 
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1483 which I think will 
 clarify some of this for you.  You may need to experiment with staff
 spacing 
 commands and lyric affinities.
 
 --
 Phil Holmes
 
Thanks. It seems the solution on the page you posted in issue 1486 does the
trick.
I still don't see why 1486 is fixed though. The problem is still there and I
don't think I have seen a potential workaround in the docs, just a note in
CHANGES that only said  lyrics above a staff have to set #'staff-affinity =
#DOWN or use alignAboveContext but that really isn't a change.

Regards,
Tao
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Re: Bass Clef Lyrics Above Staff

[James E. Bailey]

easiest way that I know of is:

\version 2.12.2

music = \relative { \clef bass c1 }
lyric = \lyricmode { text }
\score {
   
  \new Staff = bass \new Voice = bass \music
  \new Lyrics \with {alignAboveContext=bass} \lyricsto bass \lyric
   
}


Am 30.01.2009 um 06:29 schrieb Ezequiel Sierra:

How can i place the lyrics in the top the bass clef up instead of  
the bottom because i have a choir staff


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Bass Clef Lyrics Above Staff

[Ezequiel Sierra]

How can i place the lyrics in the top the bass clef up instead of the bottom
because i have a choir staff

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volta brackets lyrics above staff

[Christopher A. LaFond]

I have a score with the soprano lyrics above the top staff, and the ending  
has a one-measure alternative. But the volta lines are pushing the soprano  
lyrics up near the previous system, so far that at first I thought that  
they had disappeared and had to search for them.


Does anyone know how to get lyrics above the staff below the volta  
brackets?


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Re: volta brackets lyrics above staff

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Christopher A. LaFond wrote:
 I have a score with the soprano lyrics above the top staff, and the
 ending has a one-measure alternative. But the volta lines are pushing
 the soprano lyrics up near the previous system, so far that at first I
 thought that they had disappeared and had to search for them.
 
 Does anyone know how to get lyrics above the staff below the volta
 brackets?

My guess is that it would be the same as putting the chord names under
the volta brackets.  See the last item in Tips and Trick or Google for
lilypond volta chord name

Paul Scott

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Re: volta brackets lyrics above staff

[Christopher A. LaFond]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:35:32 -0400, Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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Christopher A. LaFond wrote:

I have a score with the soprano lyrics above the top staff, and the
ending has a one-measure alternative. But the volta lines are pushing
the soprano lyrics up near the previous system, so far that at first I
thought that they had disappeared and had to search for them.

Does anyone know how to get lyrics above the staff below the volta
brackets?


My guess is that it would be the same as putting the chord names under
the volta brackets.  See the last item in Tips and Trick or Google for
lilypond volta chord name

Paul Scott


Thanks Paul. I found that thread just after I wrote and it worked for me.  
But I can't figure out why the soprano lyrics on that line are printing  
slightly higher above the staff in the system above it. Luckily, it is the  
last system of my piece, and there are only two systems on the last page,  
so there is room on the last page to move the last system down far enough  
to get the volta brackets easily above the soprano lyrics.

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Re: Lyrics above staff in a SATB context

[Han-Wen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Thanks, this really does make the score look much nicer.
 
 Is there something I can do about lyric syllables on the first beat
 being drawn over the barline? (To see what I mean, see

see input/regression/lyrics-bar.ly 

BTW, please don't take discussions that are of general use off the
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Re: Lyrics above staff in a SATB context

[Atro Tossavainen]

 Is there something I can do about lyric syllables on the first beat
 being drawn over the barline? (To see what I mean, see
 
 see input/regression/lyrics-bar.ly 

Aha!  Yes, it works, although I could use still more space between the
barline and the words.  However, applying this resulted in the bar lines
being extended above and below the group of staves, as far up and down
as the lyric lines go, which looks kinda freaky.  How do I prevent this?

Also, it seems that a period at the end of a lyric sentence causes the
word with the period to be aligned rather far to the left with regard
to the position of the note it is attached to.  I suppose this is due to
the implied extra space after the period?  This is particularly annoying
when a lyric sentence ends on the 1 of a bar (see bar 8 of the example
I posted earlier).

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Re: Lyrics above staff in a SATB context

[Han-Wen Nienhuys]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Is there something I can do about lyric syllables on the first beat
  being drawn over the barline? (To see what I mean, see
  
  see input/regression/lyrics-bar.ly 
 
 Aha!  Yes, it works, although I could use still more space between the
 barline and the words.  However, applying this resulted in the bar lines
 being extended above and below the group of staves, as far up and down
 as the lyric lines go, which looks kinda freaky.  How do I prevent this?

a kludge is to remove span-bar engraver.  I'll brood on a better solution.


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Lyrics above staff in a SATB context

[Atro Tossavainen]

Hello,

How do I most sensibly produce a SATB score with two staves so that
S lyrics are above, A lyrics below the staff, and ditto for T, B?
Please see

URL:http://www.xray.biocenter.helsinki.fi/~atossava/Music/romanssi.pdf
URL:http://www.xray.biocenter.helsinki.fi/~atossava/Music/romanssi.ly

for an example of where this would be needed.  As you can see, by using
the instructions from the FAQ I have managed to put the tenor lyrics
above the staff, but the soprano lyrics remain underneath, which forces
the staves quite far apart (since there's two stanzas for the S, one for
A, and again two for T, between the staves).

I've also got another question: how do I make more room for the title
and composer information? (i.e. how do I force the first staff to start
lower down on the page?)

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Lyrics above staff in a SATB context

[Han-Wen]

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 Hello,
 
 How do I most sensibly produce a SATB score with two staves so that
 S lyrics are above, A lyrics below the staff, and ditto for T, B?
 Please see

something like


  \context StaffGroup 
  \context Lyrics = sopLyrs { s1 }
  \context Staff = women { s1 }
  \context Lyrics = altoLyrs { s1 }
  \context Lyrics = tenorLyrs { s1 }
  \context Staff = men { s1 }
  \context Lyrics = bassLyrs { s1 }
  \addlyrics
\context Staff = women { \sopMusic }
\context Lyrics = sopLyrs { \sopWords}
  \addlyrics
etc.

  

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Lyrics above staff in a SATB context

[Han-Wen]

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 Hello,
 
 How do I most sensibly produce a SATB score with two staves so that
 S lyrics are above, A lyrics below the staff, and ditto for T, B?

I've added a SATB template to CVS.


%{

 Example template for a SATB vocal  score.
 
%}

sopMusic = \notes  \relative c'' { c4 c [c8( )b] c4 }
sopWords = \lyrics { hi4 hi hi hi  }

altoMusic = \notes  \relative c' { e4 f d e }
altoWords =\lyrics { ha4 ha ha ha }

tenorMusic = \notes \relative c' { g4 a f g }
tenorWords = \lyrics { hu4 hu hu hu }

bassMusic = \notes \relative c { c4 c g c }
bassWords = \lyrics { ho4 ho ho ho }

\score { \notes
  \context StaffGroup 
  \property Score.automaticMelismata = ##t
  \context Lyrics = sopLyrs { s1 }
  \context Staff = women { s1 }
  \context Lyrics = altoLyrs { s1 }
  \context Lyrics = tenorLyrs { s1 }
  \context Staff = men {\clef bass s1 }
  \context Lyrics = bassLyrs { s1 }
  \addlyrics
\context Staff = women \context Voice = VA { \voiceOne \sopMusic }
\context Lyrics = sopLyrs { \sopWords}
  \addlyrics
\context Staff = women \context Voice = VB { \voiceTwo \altoMusic }
\context Lyrics = altoLyrs { \altoWords}
  \addlyrics
\context Staff = men \context Voice = VA { \voiceOne \tenorMusic }
\context Lyrics = tenorLyrs { \tenorWords}
  \addlyrics
\context Staff = men  \context Voice = VB { \voiceTwo \bassMusic }
\context Lyrics = bassLyrs { \bassWords}
  
  
  \paper {
\translator {

% a little smaller so lyrics can be closer to the staff. 
\StaffContext
minimumVerticalExtent = #'(-3 . 3) 
}
  }
}

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