Re: DrumStaff question
Thanks a lot Torsten for this exhaustive answer, most instructive! JM > Le 13 juin 2018 à 14:33, Torsten Hämmerle a écrit : > > Menu Jacques wrote >> A side question is (I’m no percussionist): how does one chose between >> DrumStaff and RythmicStaff? > > That's how I handle it resp. what I've learned about it. > Off the cuff: > > *Tuned Percussion* > Timpani, (and even glockenspiel, xylophone, marimba, vibraphone, tubular > bells…) are regarded as percussion instruments and are being played by the > percussionists. They have definite pitches and therefore get an ordinary > Staff with an appropriate clef (treble^8, treble, bass...). > Traditionally, they sometimes won't even get general key signatures but use > individual accidentals. > > *Single rhythmic instruments* > Instruments like triangle, snare drum, bass drum, cymbals, tamtam, etc., may > get a RhythmicStaff with one single line (at least in the full score) just > so save space and there is no need to distinguish between different > pitches/instruments. > > *Multi instruments* > In orchestral real life, however, it is quite common for percussionists to > play multiple instruments and often change instruments during a piece. > Therefore, even the aforementioned single instruments will be notated in a > five-line DrumStaff where the notehead positions don't refer to definite > pitches but to different instruments. > Or, even if (classically) played by individual percussionists, bass drum and > snare drum, for instance, will be combined in one single DrumStaff. This > also helps avoiding a large number of individual parts (mainly consisting of > rests ;)). > *Remark:* Even if several instruments will be combined in one part/stave, > they might get separate staves (even one-line RhythmicStaffs) in the full > score. > *Cue quotes:* A strong argument for using five-line staves even for single > percussion parts is the possibility of quoting other instruments. > Just imagine a triangle part mainly consisting of rests. It is a great help > for the performing musician to see quotes of other instruments for much > better orientation. "I'll have to ping after this and that trumpet signal…" > > *"Intermediate" cases* > Some percussion instruments consisting of two or three "pitches" (not > deliberately tuned), such as congas, bongos, agogo bells, will get a two or > three line stave in order to be able to distinguish between the "low" and > the "high" pitches. > Note: "Since a percussionist is used to reading the five-line stave, a stave > of either four lines or more than five lines is difficult to read and should > not be used." [Gould] > > *Drumset* > The drumset/drumkit used in rock/pop/jazz is a combination of different > percussion instruments and will definitely get a DrumStaff. > > > *Full scores* > Single line rhythmic staves (even if the parts use five-line staves) might > be preferable in full scores because they can be clearly distinguished from > melodic staves (representing actual pitches) of the surrounding instruments. > But, traditionally, I've seen five-line triangle staves in full scores > > > All in all (just my opinion/understanding): > The reason that single-line percussion staves can mainly be found in > didactic literature is that in educational rhythmic "snippets", drum > rudiments, a combination of different instruments is not needed. > In the vast majority of performance material, one or the other reason mostly > ends up in using a five-line stave. > > All the best, > Torsten > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: DrumStaff question
Menu Jacques wrote > A side question is (I’m no percussionist): how does one chose between > DrumStaff and RythmicStaff? That's how I handle it resp. what I've learned about it. Off the cuff: *Tuned Percussion* Timpani, (and even glockenspiel, xylophone, marimba, vibraphone, tubular bells…) are regarded as percussion instruments and are being played by the percussionists. They have definite pitches and therefore get an ordinary Staff with an appropriate clef (treble^8, treble, bass...). Traditionally, they sometimes won't even get general key signatures but use individual accidentals. *Single rhythmic instruments* Instruments like triangle, snare drum, bass drum, cymbals, tamtam, etc., may get a RhythmicStaff with one single line (at least in the full score) just so save space and there is no need to distinguish between different pitches/instruments. *Multi instruments* In orchestral real life, however, it is quite common for percussionists to play multiple instruments and often change instruments during a piece. Therefore, even the aforementioned single instruments will be notated in a five-line DrumStaff where the notehead positions don't refer to definite pitches but to different instruments. Or, even if (classically) played by individual percussionists, bass drum and snare drum, for instance, will be combined in one single DrumStaff. This also helps avoiding a large number of individual parts (mainly consisting of rests ;)). *Remark:* Even if several instruments will be combined in one part/stave, they might get separate staves (even one-line RhythmicStaffs) in the full score. *Cue quotes:* A strong argument for using five-line staves even for single percussion parts is the possibility of quoting other instruments. Just imagine a triangle part mainly consisting of rests. It is a great help for the performing musician to see quotes of other instruments for much better orientation. "I'll have to ping after this and that trumpet signal…" *"Intermediate" cases* Some percussion instruments consisting of two or three "pitches" (not deliberately tuned), such as congas, bongos, agogo bells, will get a two or three line stave in order to be able to distinguish between the "low" and the "high" pitches. Note: "Since a percussionist is used to reading the five-line stave, a stave of either four lines or more than five lines is difficult to read and should not be used." [Gould] *Drumset* The drumset/drumkit used in rock/pop/jazz is a combination of different percussion instruments and will definitely get a DrumStaff. *Full scores* Single line rhythmic staves (even if the parts use five-line staves) might be preferable in full scores because they can be clearly distinguished from melodic staves (representing actual pitches) of the surrounding instruments. But, traditionally, I've seen five-line triangle staves in full scores All in all (just my opinion/understanding): The reason that single-line percussion staves can mainly be found in didactic literature is that in educational rhythmic "snippets", drum rudiments, a combination of different instruments is not needed. In the vast majority of performance material, one or the other reason mostly ends up in using a five-line stave. All the best, Torsten -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: DrumStaff question
On 12.06.2018 23:20, Menu Jacques wrote: Hello Federico, Thanks Federico. A side question is (I’m no percussionist): how does one chose between DrumStaff and RythmicStaff? I can almost only speak for traditional orchestral scores, where timpani are on a normal Staff and many other percussion instruments (triangle, cymbals, snare drum) are on a RhythmicStaff, i.e. one-line. Best, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: DrumStaff question
Menu Jacques writes:
> Hello folks,
>
> I can’t seem to get why the code below produces an empty 5-line first staff.
> Thanks for your help!
> \score {
> <<
>
> \new DrumStaff = "P_PFour_Staff_One"
> \with {
> instrumentName = "Snare Drum 4"
> shortInstrumentName = "Sn. Dr."
> }
> \drummode
> {%<<
At this point of time, no Voice context exists. DrumStaff does not
accept Voice contexts (it rather takes a DrumVoice instead), so a normal
Staff needs to be created.
> \context Voice = "P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One" <<
> \P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One
> >>
Since you override the clef to be a drum clef, it's a bit hard to see
that we have a normal Staff appearing. It doesn't help that you futz
around with stopStaff and startStaff, apparently trying to fix things up
but just making it harder to see what is happening.
--
David Kastrup
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Re: DrumStaff question
Il giorno mar 12 giu 2018 alle 23:20, Menu Jacques ha scritto: Hello Federico, Thanks Federico. A side question is (I’m no percussionist): how does one chose between DrumStaff and RythmicStaff? I'm not a percussionist either, but the examples in the documentation are pretty clear. Percussionists want DrumStaff. RhythmicStaff purpose is showing the rhythm of a melody. I guess it has mainly an educational purpose. HTH Federico ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: DrumStaff question
Hello Federico,
Thanks Federico.
A side question is (I’m no percussionist): how does one chose between DrumStaff
and RythmicStaff?
JM
> Le 12 juin 2018 à 23:02, Federico Bruni a écrit :
>
>
>
> Il giorno mar 12 giu 2018 alle 22:12, Menu Jacques ha
> scritto:
>> Hello folks,
>> I can´t seem to get why the code below produces an empty 5-line first staff.
>> Thanks for your help!
>> [...]
>> \score {
>> <<
>>\new DrumStaff = "P_PFour_Staff_One"
>>\with {
>> instrumentName = "Snare Drum 4"
>> shortInstrumentName = "Sn. Dr."
>>}
>>\drummode
>>{%<<
>> \context Voice = "P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One" <<
>>\P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One
>> >>
>> }% >>
>> >>
>> \layout {
>>\context {
>> \Score
>>}
>> }
>> \midi {
>>\tempo 4 = 90
>> }
>> }
>
> The problem is in the \score block.
>
> I would simplify it to:
>
> \score {
> \new DrumStaff = "P_PFour_Staff_One"
> \with {
> instrumentName = "Snare Drum 4"
> shortInstrumentName = "Sn. Dr."
> }
> \drummode { \P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One }
> % or you can write also:
> %\new DrumVoice { \P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One }
>
> \layout {
> }
>
> \midi {
> \tempo 4 = 90
> }
> }
>
>
>
>
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Re: DrumStaff question
Il giorno mar 12 giu 2018 alle 22:12, Menu Jacques
ha scritto:
Hello folks,
I can’t seem to get why the code below produces an empty 5-line
first staff.
Thanks for your help!
[...]
\score {
<<
\new DrumStaff = "P_PFour_Staff_One"
\with {
instrumentName = "Snare Drum 4"
shortInstrumentName = "Sn. Dr."
}
\drummode
{%<<
\context Voice = "P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One" <<
\P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One
>>
}% >>
>>
\layout {
\context {
\Score
}
}
\midi {
\tempo 4 = 90
}
}
The problem is in the \score block.
I would simplify it to:
\score {
\new DrumStaff = "P_PFour_Staff_One"
\with {
instrumentName = "Snare Drum 4"
shortInstrumentName = "Sn. Dr."
}
\drummode { \P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One }
% or you can write also:
%\new DrumVoice { \P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One }
\layout {
}
\midi {
\tempo 4 = 90
}
}
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DrumStaff question
Hello folks,
I can’t seem to get why the code below produces an empty 5-line first staff.
Thanks for your help!
JM
\version "2.19.80"
\header {
title = "basic/UnpitchedTuplet.xml"
software = "MuseScore 2.0.3.1"
encodingDate = "2017-05-20"
}
\paper {
indent = 3\cm
}
\layout {
\context {
\Score
autoBeaming = ##f % to display tuplets brackets
}
}
P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One = \relative {
\language "nederlands"
\key c \major
\clef "percussion"
\stopStaff
\override Staff.StaffSymbol.line-count = 1
\startStaff
\numericTimeSignature \time 4/4
\stemDown e4 r \once \omit TupletBracket
\tuplet 3/2 { e8 [ :16 e e ] }
\once \omit TupletBracket
\tuplet 3/2 { e8 [ :16 e e ] }
\bar "|." |
}
\score {
<<
\new DrumStaff = "P_PFour_Staff_One"
\with {
instrumentName = "Snare Drum 4"
shortInstrumentName = "Sn. Dr."
}
\drummode
{%<<
\context Voice = "P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One" <<
\P_PFour_Staff_One_Voice_One
>>
}% >>
>>
\layout {
\context {
\Score
}
}
\midi {
\tempo 4 = 90
}
}
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