Re: Question about Lilypond and meterless/free time music

[Kees van den Doel]

Attached is a demo of meterless typesetting. Unfortunately it required
persian.ly (see email earlier today) and v 2.12
but the "meterless" aspect does not depend on that so I hope it's still
useful.


On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 7:30 AM  wrote:

> Hello !
>
> I have a question about whether Lilypond can manage a certain type of
> notation.
>
> I happen to love a lot of music that is completely free time/ad
> libitum/rubatto/recitativoso I am curious about different ways to
> notate music that has no rythmic pattern, no concept of measures, beats.
>
> I recently found in a book this transcription of a lute solo ( see the
> attachment), where instead of measure bars the pentagram has marks
> indicating seconds into the recording. it reminds me a bit of an old piano
> scroll. The horizontal axis is in time, not measures.
>
> My question is can I make a score like that using Lilypond ?
>
> thanks,
>
> Ariel//
>
\include "persian.ly"
\version "2.12.2"

%#(set-global-staff-size 20)

staffText = #(define-music-function (parser location marktext)
  (string?)
  #{
  \once \override NoteHead  #'stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
  \once \override NoteHead #'text = #(markup #:whiteout $marktext ) 
  \once \override Stem  #'stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
  \once \override Stem #'text = ""
  #})

startGraceMusic = { \override Stem #'stroke-style = #"grace" }
stopGraceMusic = { \revert Stem #'stroke-style }

\header {
  title = "Daramad Shur"
  tagline = ##f

}

\paper {
%  between-system-space = 0\cm
%  between-system-padding = #3
%  ragged-bottom=##t
%  ragged-last-bottom=##t
}


daramad = {
  \relative c' {
\override Score.PaperColumn #'keep-inside-line = ##t
\override Score.NonMusicalPaperColumn #'keep-inside-line = ##t
\set Staff.extraNatural = ##f
\compressFullBarRests
\cadenzaOn
\override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
\override Score.DynamicText #'transparent = ##t
\override Score.PhrasingSlur #'transparent = ##t
\set Staff.keySignature = \shurD
\override Staff.KeySignature #'text = #shurDKey
\set Staff.midiInstrument = #"clarinet"

\tempo 4 = 84
d1 \f \teeny c16 \pp \normalsize  d1 \f \teeny c16 \pp \normalsize d8 \f  r2  fv2~fv8[ ek8..]  d16 \grace{\stemDown ek8 } d16 \grace{\stemDown fv16} 
d4 ek d8. c16[ \grace{\stemDown fv16} c16] \grace{\stemDown fv16} c4

d4 \teeny c16 \pp \normalsize d4. \f r8 r2 \bar "" \break

g4 fv2~fv8 ek16 \grace{\stemDown fv16} ek16 \grace{\stemDown fv16} ek8[ \teeny d16 \pp] \normalsize  fv4~ \f fv16[ ek8.] 
d16 \grace{\stemDown fv16} d16 \grace{\stemDown fv16} d4 ek \teeny d8 \pp \normalsize  r8 \f r2

fv2~ fv16[ ek8] d16 \grace{\stemDown fv16} d16 \grace{\stemDown fv16} d4 ek d8. c16[ \grace{\stemDown fv16} c16] \grace{\stemDown fv16} c4 d8. \teeny c16 \pp \normalsize d4 \f r8 r2 \bar "" \break

\times 2/3 {r8 \grace{\stemDown c8} fv8 ek}  \grace {\stemDown fv8} d4.~ \times 2/3 {d8 fv ek} \grace{\stemDown fv8} 
d4~ \times 2/3 {d8 ek \teeny d \pp} \normalsize fv4. \f g16 \breathe

fv32[ ek16 \grace{\stemDown fv16}  ek d \grace{\stemDown fv16} d c \grace{\stemDown fv16} c8] d4 \teeny c16 \pp \normalsize d2. \f  r2

\bar "|."
  }
}

kereshmeh = {
<<
  \new Staff  \with {
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-0 . 0)
  }

  \new Voice = melody \relative c' {
%\override Score.PaperColumn #'keep-inside-line = ##t
%\override Score.NonMusicalPaperColumn #'keep-inside-line = ##t
\set Staff.extraNatural = ##f
\compressFullBarRests
\cadenzaOn
\override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
\override Score.DynamicText #'transparent = ##t
\override Score.PhrasingSlur #'transparent = ##t
\set Staff.keySignature = \shurD
\override Staff.KeySignature #'text = #shurDKey
\set Staff.midiInstrument = #"clarinet"

c16[ \f d8 ek16] fv4. ek16[ fv] ek16[ fv32 ek8] \teeny d16[( ek] \pp \normalsize  d8) \f d8 r4

ek16 fv8.~ fv16[ \teeny ek16] \pp \normalsize g32 \f fv16 g16. fv4  ek16[ d8] 
ek32[ fv16 \grace{\stemDown g16} fv] ek[ \grace{\stemDown g16} ek d \grace{\stemDown g16} d] \teeny ek \pp \normalsize d4 \f r2

\bar "|."
  }

  \new Lyrics \with {
\override VerticalAxisGroup #'minimum-Y-extent = #'(-0 . 0)
  }

  \lyricsto melody {
ko han sha wad ha me kas - - - rA
be ru - ze gA - - A - re e rA - - - - - dat
  }
>>
}




\book {
  \header {
title = \markup \center-column { "Vocal radif according to Karimi" "Dastgah Shur" }
composer =  "Karimi"  
  }

  \score {
\daramad
\midi { 
  \context {
\Score
tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 84 4)
  }
}

Re: Question about Lilypond and meterless/free time music

[Jean Abou Samra]

Le 31/07/2021 à 17:05, ar...@aramburu.org a écrit :


Thank you Jean for your answer !

I would be happy to know if

1) I can have a pentagram with notes, but without measure bars  -> the 
answer is yes, that is posssible


2) I can place those tick marks manually in the pentagram

3) I can put a number on top of those tick marks

Do you know the answer to 2) and 3)  ?


Thanks,

Ariel//




Hi,

Please keep the list copied, this way everyone can
answer and others can benefit from searching the list
archives in the future.

Here's a start:

\version "2.22.1"

\layout {
  \context {
    \Score
    \cadenzaOn
    % Print all bar numbers. See
    % http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/notation/bars#bar-numbers
    \override BarNumber.break-visibility = #begin-of-line-invisible
    barNumberVisibility = #all-bar-numbers-visible
    % First tick number is 1, not 2.
    currentBarNumber = 0
    % The tick marks.
    \override BarLine.bar-extent = #'(2.5 . 3.5)
    % Center bar number on the ticks.
    \override BarNumber.self-alignment-X = \CENTER
  }
}

% Bar numbers are not automatically incremented at
% manual bar lines.
incrementBarNumber =
\context Score \applyContext
  #(lambda (context)
 (set! (ly:context-property context 'currentBarNumber)
   (1+ (ly:context-property context 'currentBarNumber

tick = {
  \bar "|"
  \incrementBarNumber
}

%%

\repeat unfold 10 {
  c'4 \tick 8[ 16 32] \tick 16[ 32.] \tick
}
Best,
Jean

Re: Question about Lilypond and meterless/free time music

[N. Andrew Walsh]

Hello Ariel,

please also see the section in the Notation Reference regarding writing
cadenzas and other unmetered music:
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/notation/displaying-rhythms#unmetered-music
.

You could just treat this passage as a sort of cadenza, and control the
barlines manually.

As for applying a tick at exact *temporal* intervals, that's outside of my
competence.

Sincerely,

A

On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 4:29 PM  wrote:

> Hello !
>
> I have a question about whether Lilypond can manage a certain type of
> notation.
>
> I happen to love a lot of music that is completely free time/ad
> libitum/rubatto/recitativoso I am curious about different ways to
> notate music that has no rythmic pattern, no concept of measures, beats.
>
> I recently found in a book this transcription of a lute solo ( see the
> attachment), where instead of measure bars the pentagram has marks
> indicating seconds into the recording. it reminds me a bit of an old piano
> scroll. The horizontal axis is in time, not measures.
>
> My question is can I make a score like that using Lilypond ?
>
> thanks,
>
> Ariel//
>

Re: Question about Lilypond and meterless/free time music

[Jean Abou Samra]

Le 31/07/2021 à 08:59, ar...@aramburu.org a écrit :


Hello !

I have a question about whether Lilypond can manage a certain type of 
notation.


I happen to love a lot of music that is completely free time/ad 
libitum/rubatto/recitativoso I am curious about different ways to 
notate music that has no rythmic pattern, no concept of measures, beats.


I recently found in a book this transcription of a lute solo ( see the 
attachment), where instead of measure bars the pentagram has marks 
indicating seconds into the recording. it reminds me a bit of an old 
piano scroll. The horizontal axis is in time, not measures.


My question is can I make a score like that using Lilypond ?

thanks,

Ariel//



Are you looking after marks added automatically, spread
evenly based on the durations and the tempo? Or rather
a \tick command allowing to insert one at any given moment?

Best,
Jean

Re: Free time

[Gonsolo]

> If you can send an image of the result you want, there's a good chance
> someone on the list could find a way to code it.

I sent an image in my original email. Maybe it got scrubbed, here it is again:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1orTtGSuz7_DDLLaObLEMz0TJOP1nMy0K/view?usp=sharing



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g

Re: Free time

[Karlin High]

On 10/2/2020 4:59 PM, Gonsolo wrote:

Unfortunately it is only a part of the problem


If you can send an image of the result you want, there's a good chance 
someone on the list could find a way to code it. Here's an example of 
what's possible, portions of the C. Cardew "Treatise" score as coded by 
Pierre Perol-Schneider:



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Re: Free time

[Gonsolo]

> > bla.ly:2:6: Fehler: octave marks must precede duration
>
> Sorry for the typo (but surely you could have figured out the problem?!):

You are too quick for me. :)

Anyway, this works now. Unfortunately it is only a part of the problem
of free standing notes in free time. :/

Thanks.


-- 
g

Re: Free time

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Gonsolo,

> This fails with:
> bla.ly:2:6: Fehler: octave marks must precede duration

Sorry for the typo (but surely you could have figured out the problem?!):

\version "2.20"
{ c''2\=1(\=2(\=3( d''4\=1) g''\=3) e''\=2) }

Cheers,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: kie...@kierenmacmillan.info

Re: Free time

[Gonsolo]

> No:
>
> \version "2.20"
> { c'2'\=1(\=2(\=3( d''4\=1) g''\=3) e''\=2) }

This fails with:
bla.ly:2:6: Fehler: octave marks must precede duration

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Re: Free time

[Gonsolo]

> You need to use phrasing slurs:
>  \version "2.20"
>  { c\(( d) e\) }

This gives me two levels of slurs but not three.


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g

Re: Free time

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi all,

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 5:04 PM, bobr...@centrum.is wrote:
> You need to use phrasing slurs:
> \version "2.20"
> { c\(( d) e\) }

No:

\version "2.20"
{ c'2'\=1(\=2(\=3( d''4\=1) g''\=3) e''\=2) }

Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: Free time

[bobr...@centrum.is]

- Original Message -
> From: "Gonsolo" 
> To: "Jacques Menu" 
> Cc: "Claire Meyer" , "Lillypond 
> Users Mailing List" 
> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 8:57:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Free time

>> You can multiple, simultaneous slurs as of the recent versions of LP.
> 
> How? The following does not work for meh (gives a warning about slurs
> and only one slur visible):
> 
> \version "2.20"
> { c(( d) e) }

You need to use phrasing slurs:

 \version "2.20"
 { c\(( d) e\) }

Re: Free time

[Gonsolo]

> You can multiple, simultaneous slurs as of the recent versions of LP.

How? The following does not work for meh (gives a warning about slurs
and only one slur visible):

\version "2.20"
{ c(( d) e) }

Re: Free time

[Gonsolo]

> When I write unmetered music, my template is as joined. (It's for piano, so 
> might need to be adapted.)

Thanks, but that's only half the way. I want to write notes that do
not fit in the quaver/semiquaver scheme but start instantly at time,
say 1:37:158 and stop an 1:47:13. So the position and length of the
notes can't be expressed by usual time/measure/bars.
Also I want them to play simultaneously, let's say a c from 0:01:100
to 0:03:00 and a c# from 0:02:150 to 0:03:200.

That's harder.

Re: Free time

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Gonsolo,

You can multiple, simultaneous slurs as of the recent versions of LP.

JM

> Le 2 oct. 2020 à 18:20, Claire Meyer 
>  a écrit :
> 
> Hi G.
> 
> When I write unmetered music, my template is as joined. (It's for piano, so 
> might need to be adapted.)
> 
> HTH,
> Claire
> 
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 8:07 PM Gonsolo  <mailto:gons...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Is it possible to write music in Lilypond in free time and if yes how?
> 
> I have a piece without metrum where notes with a specific pitch appear
> at a specific time and have a specific length (see the attached
> picture) but there is no metrum.
> How to write something like this in Lilypond?
> I found information about  graphical notation which does not seem to
> fit since the notes have a specific pitch.
> The nearest would be the Unmeasured prelude
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqvm0k2VUtU 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqvm0k2VUtU>) but this can't be
> written since only one slur is allowed at a time.
> The best method would be beams instead of notes but how to do this?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> -- 
> g
> 

Re: Free time

[Claire Meyer]

Hi G.

When I write unmetered music, my template is as joined. (It's for piano, so
might need to be adapted.)

HTH,
Claire

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 8:07 PM Gonsolo  wrote:

> Is it possible to write music in Lilypond in free time and if yes how?
>
> I have a piece without metrum where notes with a specific pitch appear
> at a specific time and have a specific length (see the attached
> picture) but there is no metrum.
> How to write something like this in Lilypond?
> I found information about  graphical notation which does not seem to
> fit since the notes have a specific pitch.
> The nearest would be the Unmeasured prelude
> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqvm0k2VUtU) but this can't be
> written since only one slur is allowed at a time.
> The best method would be beams instead of notes but how to do this?
>
> Thanks for your help.
> --
> g
>


unmetered.ly
Description: Binary data

Free time

[Gonsolo]

Is it possible to write music in Lilypond in free time and if yes how?

I have a piece without metrum where notes with a specific pitch appear
at a specific time and have a specific length (see the attached
picture) but there is no metrum.
How to write something like this in Lilypond?
I found information about  graphical notation which does not seem to
fit since the notes have a specific pitch.
The nearest would be the Unmeasured prelude
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqvm0k2VUtU) but this can't be
written since only one slur is allowed at a time.
The best method would be beams instead of notes but how to do this?

Thanks for your help.
-- 
g

Re: Free-time music with correct accidentals

[Mats Bengtsson]

There's a very nice solution to this problem available in LSR, see
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=333

   /Mats

Quoting James E. Bailey derhindem...@googlemail.com:



On 13.11.2009, at 18:07, Richard Sabey wrote:

How can Lilypond be used to create music in free time, with bar  
lines only where I explicitly put them in using \bar |? I've  
tried using \cadenzaOn but then Lilypond mismanages accidentals. I  
need a bar line to stop the effect of all accidentals (with the  
possible exception of notes tied from the previous bar).


I see that similar questions have been asked before, but they did  
not get satisfactory replies.


In particular, how can I avoid the following buggy behaviour in the  
following example:

* the 2nd bar's 1st note is A# but lacks a #
* the 3rd bar's 2nd note has a needless natural; I'd prefer there  
to be no needless accidentals except where I explicitly call for  
them using !

* the 3rd bar's 3rd note is G# but lacks a #
* the last note has a natural as well as a flat even though it's in  
a Staff where extraNatural = ##f.



I do this by having hidden time signatures. That way, I have bar  
lines where I want them, accidentals that make sense, and everything  
else associated.


James E. Bailey










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RE: Free-time music with correct accidentals

[Richard Sabey]

Thank you for that reference, Mats. So there on that web page are an 
explanation of what the function does, and a picture of its effect, but where 
is the snippet, please? (I mean the Lilypond code)

The LSR home page doesn't say how to obtain the snippets, either. I did 
investigate its Snippet database link, trusting you that you gave me a link 
to a bona fide web site (both Firefox and IE give security warning w.r.t. the 
Snippet database page), but that page appears to be only for people to submit 
new snippets or modify snippets, not to read them.

 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:07:35 +0100
 From: mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se
 To: derhindem...@googlemail.com
 CC: richardsa...@hotmail.co.uk; lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: Free-time music with correct accidentals
 
 There's a very nice solution to this problem available in LSR, see
 http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=333
 
 /Mats

  
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Re: Free-time music with correct accidentals

[Reinhold Kainhofer]

Am Samstag, 14. November 2009 21:46:05 schrieb Richard Sabey:
 Thank you for that reference, Mats. So there on that web page are an
  explanation of what the function does, and a picture of its effect, but
  where is the snippet, please?

It's hidden behind the picture ;-) Just click on the image and you'll see the 
code.

Cheers,
Reinhold

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 * LilyPond, Music typesetting, http://www.lilypond.org


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Re: Free-time music with correct accidentals

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Richard,


where is the snippet, please? (I mean the Lilypond code)


Click on the image (music).

Best,
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Free-time music with correct accidentals

[Richard Sabey]

How can Lilypond be used to create music in free time, with bar lines only 
where I explicitly put them in using \bar |? I've tried using \cadenzaOn but 
then Lilypond mismanages accidentals. I need a bar line to stop the effect of 
all accidentals (with the possible exception of notes tied from the previous 
bar).

I see that similar questions have been asked before, but they did not get 
satisfactory replies.

In particular, how can I avoid the following buggy behaviour in the following 
example:
* the 2nd bar's 1st note is A# but lacks a #
* the 3rd bar's 2nd note has a needless natural; I'd prefer there to be no 
needless accidentals except where I explicitly call for them using !
* the 3rd bar's 3rd note is G# but lacks a #
* the last note has a natural as well as a flat even though it's in a Staff 
where extraNatural = ##f.

It would be nice if it could be made to work using \x at every place where I 
would like a bar line, for a suitable definition of x. Here is mine, using 
\cadenzaOff and \cadenzaOn as well as \bar, but perhaps something different is 
needed.

%begin example%%
\version 2.13.6

x = { \cadenzaOff \bar | #(set-accidental-style 'default) \cadenzaOn }

\score
{
\new Staff \with { extraNatural = ##f }
{ \cadenzaOn ais'1 \x ais'2 ais' gis' ais' \x a a' gis' ais' \x aes' }
}
%end example

  
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Re: Free-time music with correct accidentals

[James E. Bailey]

On 13.11.2009, at 18:07, Richard Sabey wrote:

How can Lilypond be used to create music in free time, with bar  
lines only where I explicitly put them in using \bar |? I've  
tried using \cadenzaOn but then Lilypond mismanages accidentals. I  
need a bar line to stop the effect of all accidentals (with the  
possible exception of notes tied from the previous bar).


I see that similar questions have been asked before, but they did  
not get satisfactory replies.


In particular, how can I avoid the following buggy behaviour in the  
following example:

* the 2nd bar's 1st note is A# but lacks a #
* the 3rd bar's 2nd note has a needless natural; I'd prefer there  
to be no needless accidentals except where I explicitly call for  
them using !

* the 3rd bar's 3rd note is G# but lacks a #
* the last note has a natural as well as a flat even though it's in  
a Staff where extraNatural = ##f.



I do this by having hidden time signatures. That way, I have bar  
lines where I want them, accidentals that make sense, and everything  
else associated.


James E. Bailey



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RE: Free-time music with correct accidentals

[Richard Sabey]

James E. Bailey wrote
I do this by having hidden time signatures.

There is that, yes, but something is wrong if software makes you add things up, 
which it should do itself.

CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org
From: derhindem...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: Free-time music with correct accidentals
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:40:21 +0100
To: richardsa...@hotmail.co.uk



On 13.11.2009, at 18:07, Richard Sabey wrote: How can Lilypond be used to 
create music in free time, with bar lines only where I explicitly put them in 
using \bar |? I've tried using \cadenzaOn but then Lilypond mismanages 
accidentals. I need a bar line to stop the effect of all accidentals (with the 
possible exception of notes tied from the previous bar).

I see that similar questions have been asked before, but they did not get 
satisfactory replies.

In particular, how can I avoid the following buggy behaviour in the following 
example:
* the 2nd bar's 1st note is A# but lacks a #
* the 3rd bar's 2nd note has a needless natural; I'd prefer there to be no 
needless accidentals except where I explicitly call for them using !
* the 3rd bar's 3rd note is G# but lacks a #
* the last note has a natural as well as a flat even though it's in a Staff 
where extraNatural = ##f.
I do this by having hidden time signatures. That way, I have bar lines where I 
want them, accidentals that make sense, and everything else associated.
 James E. Bailey
 
  
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Re: Free-time music with correct accidentals

[Neil Puttock]

2009/11/13 Richard Sabey richardsa...@hotmail.co.uk:
 How can Lilypond be used to create music in free time, with bar lines only
 where I explicitly put them in using \bar |? I've tried using \cadenzaOn
 but then Lilypond mismanages accidentals. I need a bar line to stop the
 effect of all accidentals (with the possible exception of notes tied from
 the previous bar).

Try resetting localKeySignature whenever there's a barline:

x = { \set Staff.localKeySignature = #'() \bar | }

Regards,
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RE: Free-time music with correct accidentals

[Richard Sabey]

Thank you, Neil. Combining our ideas, I tried

x = { \cadenzaOff \set Staff.localKeySignature = #'() \bar | \cadenzaOn }

which had the effect I wanted.

Luckily the piece I was working on had a key signature of nothing. However, on 
trying with a non-null key signature, I find that it makes Lilypond engrave 
accidentals as if the key signature had changed to nothing. I didn't fancy 
having to set a key signature using a LISP construct, but fortunately a 
construct like this has my desired effect:

x = { \cadenzaOff
\key a \major
\override Staff.KeySignature #'stencil = ##f
\bar |
\cadenzaOn
}

  
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Re: free time

[Graham Percival]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:03:41 +0200
Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am inputting a score in lilypond which has a section that the the
 quarter note gets the beat but the bar lines are used sparingly.
 
 In the score no time signiture is given.
 
 I am unsure how to notate the time signiture.
 Should I add a time signiture and hide it??
 If so what one???

I'd use \cadenzaOn and \cadenzaOff.  If that doesn't hide the time
signature automatically, then hide it normally.

- Graham


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Re: free time

[Aaron]

Thanks it worked like a charm.
Aaron
On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 00:35, Graham Percival wrote:
 On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:03:41 +0200
 Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am inputting a score in lilypond which has a section that the the
  quarter note gets the beat but the bar lines are used sparingly.
  
  In the score no time signiture is given.
  
  I am unsure how to notate the time signiture.
  Should I add a time signiture and hide it??
  If so what one???
 
 I'd use \cadenzaOn and \cadenzaOff.  If that doesn't hide the time
 signature automatically, then hide it normally.
 
 - Graham



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