Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread James
Hello, On 5 October 2012 02:08, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Any estimates of the number of active users of lilypond? We could arrange feature fundings, with many users, say $20 each makes it eminently feasible - kickstarter for lilypond.. but kickstarter results in I think in 10%

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread David Kastrup
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: Hello, On 5 October 2012 02:08, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Any estimates of the number of active users of lilypond? We could arrange feature fundings, with many users, say $20 each makes it eminently feasible - kickstarter for lilypond.. but

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I'm getting crowd-funded for my work on LilyPond, Another new thing: https://www.gittip.com Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: I'm getting crowd-funded for my work on LilyPond, Another new thing: https://www.gittip.com URL:https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 I am not convinced a crowd-funding service that has still to find a solution for making actual payouts is

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: I'm getting crowd-funded for my work on LilyPond, Another new thing: https://www.gittip.com URL:https://github.com/whit537/www.gittip.com/issues/126 I am not convinced a crowd-funding service that has still to find a

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Werner LEMBERG writes: I'm getting crowd-funded for my work on LilyPond, Another new thing: https://www.gittip.com Have you read http://lwn.net/Articles/514964/ on Bradley Kuhn's http://sfconservancy.org/ Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org

FUNDING [WAS Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.]

2012-10-05 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Werner LEMBERG writes: I'm getting crowd-funded for my work on LilyPond, Another new thing: https://www.gittip.com Have you read http://lwn.net/Articles/514964/ on Bradley Kuhn's http://sfconservancy.org/ Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Have you read http://lwn.net/Articles/514964/ Not yet, thanks for that! on Bradley Kuhn's http://sfconservancy.org/ Actually, I've already asked for making FreeType a conservancy member some months ago, and it seems to be a quite slow process... Maybe we should do the same for

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Have you read http://lwn.net/Articles/514964/ Not yet, thanks for that! on Bradley Kuhn's http://sfconservancy.org/ Actually, I've already asked for making FreeType a conservancy member some months ago, and it seems to be a quite slow

Non-profit - was Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 10/5/12, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Have you read http://lwn.net/Articles/514964/ Not yet, thanks for that! on Bradley Kuhn's http://sfconservancy.org/ Actually, I've already asked for making FreeType a conservancy member some

Re: Non-profit - was Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-05 Thread David Kastrup
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net writes: On 10/5/12, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Have you read http://lwn.net/Articles/514964/ Not yet, thanks for that! on Bradley Kuhn's http://sfconservancy.org/ Actually, I've already asked for

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-04 Thread Nils Gey
I thought of a solution. This is not a quick task eventough I know what needs to be done, since such an editor, only more advanced, is Laborejo. For simple purposes it will be easy to do but quickly you encounter shortcomings and the display is unstatisfying again which is the point where the

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-04 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Any estimates of the number of active users of lilypond? We could arrange feature fundings, with many users, say $20 each makes it eminently feasible - kickstarter for lilypond.. but kickstarter results in I think in 10% or so lost to the middle men, but it could suffice. I'd be happy to pay

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.10.2012 07:34, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Hi, sorry for delay... On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:03 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Disabling automatic line wrapping and using horizontal scrolling is the key :) Of course, it wouldn't probably

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes: Am 03.10.2012 07:34, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Hi, sorry for delay... On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:03 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Disabling automatic line wrapping and using horizontal scrolling is the

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread Urs Liska
Am 03.10.2012 10:12, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes: Am 03.10.2012 07:34, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Hi, sorry for delay... On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:03 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Disabling automatic line

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes: Am 03.10.2012 10:12, schrieb David Kastrup: Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes: Am 03.10.2012 07:34, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Hi, sorry for delay... On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:03 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek Warchoł

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/10/3 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: Imagine a piece for medium-sized orchestra (10 instruments, 200 measures). In LilyPond code, you have to write the instruments separately from each other - the connection between them is not visible. It is difficult to visualise how they

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread Nils Gey
This is not a quick task eventough I know what needs to be done, since such an editor, only more advanced, is Laborejo. For simple purposes it will be easy to do but quickly you encounter shortcomings and the display is unstatisfying again which is the point where the code need extensions and

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread Francois Planiol
I think MTX was doing that (or PMX?). I used it and would counsel to try it there. If you find it usefull, why not? Personally, I am happy with writing down on paper and transcribing then (when the music becomes to complicated form my poor coding habits). Francois 2012/10/3, David Kastrup

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes: 2012/10/3 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: Imagine a piece for medium-sized orchestra (10 instruments, 200 measures). In LilyPond code, you have to write the instruments separately from each other - the connection between them is not

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Nils Gey i...@nilsgey.de wrote: I thought of a solution. [...] Summary: It is totally possible, but I can't do it right now. So, 50 bucks will have to wait :) I'm actually surprised that noone pledged any additional bounty... Janek

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-03 Thread Tim Roberts
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote: I think that what you want does actually exist, and it is called a spreadsheet. They are commonly used for (or primarily intended for) numbers and formulae laid out in rows and columns, although people do use them for pretty everything from I lost my

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-10-02 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, sorry for delay... On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:03 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: Disabling automatic line wrapping and using horizontal scrolling is the key :) Of course, it wouldn't probably make sense to *store* music in this format.

Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, one of the things that i find inconvenient in reading Lily syntax is its sequential nature. For example, { a4 b c d e f g a e a g f } { e4 a g f c2 e d8 c f4 d2 } it's hard to read the harmonies from the code, because voices are separate. I know about

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Nils Gey
On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:53:23 +0200 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, one of the things that i find inconvenient in reading Lily syntax is its sequential nature. For example, { a4 b c d e f g a e a g f } { e4 a g f c2 e d8 c f4 d2

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread David Kastrup
Nils Gey l...@nilsgey.de writes: I have to see if Frescobaldi has an internal representation of durations and time signatures/bar length, but I guess not. Really? I know Emacs has it since it complains when you place bar checks at the wrong point of time. Frescobaldi, judging from its

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Nils Gey l...@nilsgey.de wrote: I have to see if Frescobaldi has an internal representation of durations and time signatures/bar length, but I guess not. This way the conversion from parallel back to sequential is a bit tricky since you need to keep track of

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Mats Bengtsson
On 09/26/2012 12:48 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: What about editors like Frescobaldi having the ability to convert regular lilypond to horizontal scroll and back? E.g. the code above would be displayed as (view using monospace font): { a4 b c d e f g a ea g f }

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Urs Liska
Am 26.09.2012 13:53, schrieb Mats Bengtsson: On 09/26/2012 12:48 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: What about editors like Frescobaldi having the ability to convert regular lilypond to horizontal scroll and back? E.g. the code above would be displayed as (view using monospace font):

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se wrote: On 09/26/2012 12:48 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: What about editors like Frescobaldi having the ability to convert regular lilypond to horizontal scroll and back? E.g. the code above would be

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se wrote: On 09/26/2012 12:48 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: What about editors like Frescobaldi having the ability to convert regular lilypond to horizontal

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Urs Liska
Am 26.09.2012 14:03, schrieb David Kastrup: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se wrote: On 09/26/2012 12:48 PM, lilypond-user-requ...@gnu.org wrote: What about editors like Frescobaldi having the ability to

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread David Kastrup
Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes: But I think this would be quite complex, because the editor would have to know the musical moment we are at. Which seems complicated from the beginning, but if we start to (re-)use variables ... Seems like point-and-click Midi would deliver most of the

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Wim van Dommelen
On 26 Sep 2012, at 14:06 , Urs Liska wrote: Oh yeah, that's something I'd second. In an ideal world these windows wouldn't only go into the same file but into the same piece of music. TexShop does this (partly) for you: 2 windows can be open on one and the same file, updates in one

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Wim van Dommelen m...@wimvd.nl wrote: TexShop does this (partly) for you: 2 windows can be open on one and the same file, updates in one window are immediately live in the other. Vim can do that with as many windows as you'd like... Christ van Willegen -- 09

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/9/26 Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Wim van Dommelen m...@wimvd.nl wrote: TexShop does this (partly) for you: 2 windows can be open on one and the same file, updates in one window are immediately live in the other. Vim can do that with as many

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/9/26 Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de: Am 26.09.2012 14:03, schrieb David Kastrup: To me it sounds more like what you'd want here is several windows into the same file with synchronized cursor motion for things happening at the same musical time. Oh yeah, that's something I'd second. In an

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread David Kastrup
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes: 2012/9/26 Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de: Am 26.09.2012 14:03, schrieb David Kastrup: To me it sounds more like what you'd want here is several windows into the same file with synchronized cursor motion for things happening at the same musical time.

Re: Parallel music view - inspiration for LilyPond editors.

2012-09-26 Thread Nick Payne
On 27/09/12 01:41, Francisco Vila wrote: 2012/9/26 Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de: Am 26.09.2012 14:03, schrieb David Kastrup: To me it sounds more like what you'd want here is several windows into the same file with synchronized cursor motion for things happening at the same musical time. Oh