Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-03-08 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Reinhold Kainhofer writes: A) Development of ly2xml Reviewers would probably argue that this is not really scientific research and should be funded by an industry partner instead. Some may even note that the hardest part of this has already been prototyped as part of schikkers list and argue

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-03-08 Thread David Kastrup
Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes: Reinhold Kainhofer writes: A) Development of ly2xml Reviewers would probably argue that this is not really scientific research and should be funded by an industry partner instead. Some may even note that the hardest part of this has already been

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-03-08 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
David Kastrup writes: Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes: Reinhold Kainhofer writes: A) Development of ly2xml Reviewers would probably argue that this is not really scientific research and should be funded by an industry partner instead. Some may even note that the hardest part of

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-15 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
On 09/02/2012 12:08, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: I have tried getting grants from different EU and national bodies with various partner institutions (including the one where Graham now works, IIRC). My impression is that you need people (preferably many) with lots of academic clout that can sign

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/10 Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net: On 10/02/12 10:00, Janek Warchoł wrote: Heck, let's do it! Do you know of any famous pieces of music without freely accessible scores? [...] The minimum required by the Berne convention is 50 years beyond the authors death before a work

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/2/10 Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net: On 10/02/12 10:00, Janek Warchoł wrote: Heck, let's do it! Do you know of any famous pieces of music without freely accessible scores? [...] The minimum required by the Berne convention is 50

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-10 Thread Rodolfo Zitellini
There are loads of music up to the 20th century that wait to be published in a good edition, but I think the kikstarter was so successful mostly because the Goldbergs are a quite popular and famous. We could easily find something appealing to scholars like me (I dream of and integral of Torelli :)

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/10 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: - Sergei Rachmaninoff died in March 1943.  If we start a year-long project now, we will finish roughly when most of his works will fall out of copyright. How would one cooperate while they are not yet out of

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-10 Thread Tim McNamara
On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:38 AM, David Kastrup wrote: I expect that in a few years, composers becoming famous in their life time will get life support systems paid by their publishers, preferably after they are brain dead but in a defensible way not legally dead, in order to be able to extend

RE: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-10 Thread Chris Crossen
I don't know. As technology becomes cheaper and politicians become more expensive, we may reach a tipping point where zombie houses prevail. -Original Message- From: lilypond-user-bounces+chris=crossen@gnu.org [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+chris=crossen@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Tim

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-10 Thread David Kastrup
Chris Crossen ch...@crossen.net writes: lilypond-user-bounces+chris=crossen@gnu.org wrote: On Feb 10, 2012, at 3:38 AM, David Kastrup wrote: Every publishing company will entertain a zombie house where some parts of composers/writers are kept legally alive for the sake of copyright

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-10 Thread Nick Payne
On 10/02/12 21:11, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2012/2/10 David Kastrupd...@gnu.org: Janek Warchołjanek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: - Sergei Rachmaninoff died in March 1943. If we start a year-long project now, we will finish roughly when most of his works will fall out of copyright. How would one

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to support David K as long as he's interested). As I've thought about it, going

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Brent Annable
Just an idea: how about a Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/project? Or has this already been considered? Brent. On 9 February 2012 12:08, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu wrote: I've been thinking about the

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Nils
Kickstarter is USA only. On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:01:08 +0100 Brent Annable brentanna...@gmail.com wrote: Just an idea: how about a Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/project? Or has this already been considered? Brent. On 9 February 2012 12:08, Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 2/9/12 5:38 AM, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote: Kickstarter is USA only. But someone in the USA can do a kickstarter project and spend the money any way they want to. I thought about kickstarter as well. But what would you promise the investors as return on the project? A free copy of

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Saul Tobin
For what it's worth, I know of several musicians who have successfully funded international Kickstarter projects. On Thursday, February 09, 2012 09:40:22 AM Carl Sorensen wrote: On 2/9/12 5:38 AM, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote: Kickstarter is USA only. But someone in the USA can do a

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/9 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: On 2/9/12 5:38 AM, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote: Kickstarter is USA only. But someone in the USA can do a kickstarter project and spend the money any way they want to. I thought about kickstarter as well.  But what would you promise the investors as

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous piece (like Mozart's Requiem)? The funds would be split between typesetter and programmer who implements

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Nils
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:04:35 +0100 Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous piece (like Mozart's

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com: 2012/2/9 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous piece (like Mozart's Requiem)?  The funds would be split between

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:00:21AM +0100, Janek Warchoł wrote: Do you know of any famous pieces of music without freely accessible scores? I have only one shot now, but it isn't perfect: Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings was composed in 1936 but the composer died not-so-long-ago (1981).

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-09 Thread Nick Payne
On 10/02/12 10:00, Janek Warchoł wrote: 2012/2/9 Xavier Scheuerx.sche...@gmail.com: 2012/2/9 Janek Warchołjanek.lilyp...@gmail.com: Not sure if i understand correctly how Kickstarter works, but what about a project for creating a free typeset edition of some famous piece (like Mozart's

Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Carl Sorensen
Developers, I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to support David K as long as he's interested). As I've thought about it, going after a grant seems the most logical thing to do. So I looked

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: Developers, I've been thinking about the problem of sustaining LilyPond development long-term (and specifically the problem of obtaining enough money to support David K as long as he's interested). One problem with grants is that they make it _much_

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/8 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: Guidelines for the preservation grant (which will probably be due in July) are shown here: http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/HCRR.html Guidelines for the digital humanities grants are shown here:

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 02:29:00PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities. I could see this funding Americans to work on lilypond programming while living in America. I could see this potentially funding

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 02:29:00PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities. I could see this funding Americans to work on lilypond programming while living

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 2/8/12 11:01 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 02:29:00PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: So I looked into the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities. I could see this funding Americans to work on lilypond

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 07:11:26PM +, Carl Sorensen wrote: On 2/8/12 11:01 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I can not see this funding non-Americans working outside of America. If you look at the links, many of the successful grants either invite or require

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Nils
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:24:08 + Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Depends on how international you want to go, how closely tied to music it needs to be, and how academic the people need to be. There's Peter Chubb in Australia; he worked on the robotic clarinet player. My

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Hans Aberg
On 8 Feb 2012, at 20:57, Nils wrote: The reason is that musicology here has more to do with Biographics or Sociology. Music instrument training, notation knowledge or other fundamentals of music are not required to study or teach it (University Level) it in Germany. Search instead for

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread Janek Warchoł
2012/2/8 Nils l...@nilsgey.de: I have only read half of this thread, but is it about finding people or supporting the existent Lilypond Developers with money to do their regular great work? More of the latter, but to make it possible it might be necessary to find some people first. I.e.

Re: Thinking about putting together a grant to support development on LilyPond

2012-02-08 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: 2012/2/8 Nils l...@nilsgey.de: I have only read half of this thread, but is it about finding people or supporting the existent Lilypond Developers with money to do their regular great work? More of the latter, but to make it possible it might