Re: Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:10:32AM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Graham Percival wrote: My goal is not to insult you into feeling bad; my goal is to insult you into HELPING US FIX THINGS. Learn scheme. Join the Frogs. Contribute to lilypond. If everybody sits

Re: Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-24 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 09:57:20PM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote: On May 23, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: Unfortunately, Tim's point is at odds with the philosophy of free software - which can be pretty succinctly stated as he who writes the software makes the rules. Ummm.

Re: Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-24 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 894cbbba-43cf-47cf-9e73-a3a7a2504...@bitstream.net, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net writes On May 23, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message 1243107160.13852.64.ca...@mung-papu, Ari Torhamo ari.torh...@gmail.com writes The first option is achieved by handling

Re: Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-24 Thread Tim McNamara
On May 24, 2009, at 2:47 AM, Graham Percival wrote: snip much appreciated clarifications On the other hand, I am a psychologist with some knowledge of how people interact with information and those skills might offer a way to contribute and I have tried to do that. Also, my use (and others')

Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-23 Thread Tim McNamara
On May 23, 2009, at 6:34 AM, Graham Percival wrote: My goal is not to insult you into feeling bad; my goal is to insult you into HELPING US FIX THINGS. Learn scheme. Join the Frogs. Contribute to lilypond. If everybody sits around saying why doesn't somebody fix this, then it WILL NEVER BE

Re: Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-23 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/5/23 Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net: Helping takes many forms. Like many LilyPond users, I know nothing useful about computer programming and so cannot help with correcting problems in the code.  I have a full time-plus highly demanding job, a marriage, a house, ailing parents, I play

Re: Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-23 Thread Ari Torhamo
la, 2009-05-23 kello 19:57 +0200, Valentin Villenave kirjoitti: 2009/5/23 Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net: Helping takes many forms. Like many LilyPond users, I know nothing useful about computer programming and so cannot help with correcting problems in the code. I have a full

Re: Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-23 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 1243107160.13852.64.ca...@mung-papu, Ari Torhamo ari.torh...@gmail.com writes The first option is achieved by handling everything a non-programmer can do: managing bugs, helping new users, writing the newsletter, etc. The second option is achieved in two ways: helping expand our

Re: Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-23 Thread Ari Torhamo
la, 2009-05-23 kello 23:05 +0100, Anthony W. Youngman kirjoitti: In message 1243107160.13852.64.ca...@mung-papu, Ari Torhamo You don't quite seem to get Tim's point: everybody can't and doesn't need to participate every project they find useful - especially when they don't consume the

Re: Users versus developers (was: Tempo mark alignment)

2009-05-23 Thread Tim McNamara
On May 23, 2009, at 5:05 PM, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message 1243107160.13852.64.ca...@mung-papu, Ari Torhamo ari.torh...@gmail.com writes The first option is achieved by handling everything a non-programmer can do: managing bugs, helping new users, writing the newsletter, etc. The