Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
On Wed 06 Nov 2019 at 09:22:28 (+0100), Karsten Reincke wrote: > Thanks for your comments and discussion. Very helpful! > @saul: Sorry, for this silly additional question: How do I insert a unicode > character (for example U+266D) in a lyric text, if I do not have a > corresponding > font etc? Do you have eny example? This depends on what system you're on and which editor you're typing into. For example, in emacs you could type ^X 8 Return 266d Return for ♭ (or you could type ^X 8 Return *flat Tab and it would open a window with all the Unicode characters with 'flat' anywhere in their name). Long-winded, but works for any character. Alternatively, for those you use more frequently, you could define Compose characters that work in X servers (~/.XCompose containing lines like: "©" copyright # COPYRIGHT SIGN), or ones that work everywhere in Debian linux (/etc/console-setup/remap.inc containing, for example, compose '#' 'b' to U+266d # '♭'). Or you could cut and paste from a screen containing a more well-endowed font, or even from a systematic table of characters where the chars are present but not displayed (if your cut/paste will work that way). Other OSes and editors will have equivalent functions. Cheers, David.
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
I haven't run into font limitations with Unicode accidentals. I use Compose Key to make it easy to type them. Saul On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karsten Reincke wrote: > Thanks for your comments and discussion. Very helpful! > @saul: Sorry, for this silly additional question: How do I insert a unicode > character (for example U+266D) in a lyric text, if I do not have a > corresponding > font etc? Do you have eny example? > > many thanks, again > Karsten > > On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 15:53 -0800, Saul Tobin wrote: > > I usually just type the accidental signs as Unicode characters. I find > the > > sizing and alignment works better than with the Lilypond markup commands. > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 3:32 PM Karsten Reincke > wrote: > > > Dear friends; > > > > > > does anyone know how I could insert a (double) flat or a (double) > sharp in a > > > lyric > > > text (or stanza or anywhe else) to comment a chord representation? > > > > > > Many thanks for your help > > > Karsten > > > > > > > -- > Karsten Reincke/\/\ (+49|0) 170 / 927 78 57 > Im Braungeröll 31 >oo< mailto:k.rein...@fodina.de > 60431 Frankfurt a.M. \/http://www.fodina.de/kr/ > > >
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
Thanks for your comments and discussion. Very helpful! @saul: Sorry, for this silly additional question: How do I insert a unicode character (for example U+266D) in a lyric text, if I do not have a corresponding font etc? Do you have eny example? many thanks, again Karsten On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 15:53 -0800, Saul Tobin wrote: > I usually just type the accidental signs as Unicode characters. I find the > sizing and alignment works better than with the Lilypond markup commands. > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 3:32 PM Karsten Reincke wrote: > > Dear friends; > > > > does anyone know how I could insert a (double) flat or a (double) sharp in a > > lyric > > text (or stanza or anywhe else) to comment a chord representation? > > > > Many thanks for your help > > Karsten > > > > -- Karsten Reincke/\/\ (+49|0) 170 / 927 78 57 Im Braungeröll 31 >oo< mailto:k.rein...@fodina.de 60431 Frankfurt a.M. \/http://www.fodina.de/kr/
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 5:08 PM Andrew Bernard wrote: > HI Saul, > > What is correct? I believe this is a highly subjective matter. > > Andrew > Sure, agreed. But the default should at least be reasonable without tweaking, right? > > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 11:15, Saul Tobin > wrote: > >> It bugs me a bit that macros are needed to tweak the spacing of >> accidental symbols in markup. Shouldn't the default markup commands for >> accidental symbols have correct size and spacing? >> >>
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
The breaking-ness seems like an obstacle. On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 5:05 PM Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi Saul, > > > It bugs me a bit that macros are needed to tweak the spacing of > accidental symbols in markup. Shouldn't the default markup commands for > accidental symbols have correct size and spacing? > > That would be easy to fix in the distro, if you wanted to submit a patch… > but it would screw up a lot of existing scores. =( > > Since the macros only have to be defined once — in a file I \include into > all my scores by default — I don’t find it that cumbersome or bothersome. > > Cheers, > Kieren. > > > Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his) > ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info > ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info > >
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
HI Saul, What is correct? I believe this is a highly subjective matter. Andrew On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 11:15, Saul Tobin wrote: > It bugs me a bit that macros are needed to tweak the spacing of accidental > symbols in markup. Shouldn't the default markup commands for accidental > symbols have correct size and spacing? > >
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
Hi Saul, > It bugs me a bit that macros are needed to tweak the spacing of accidental > symbols in markup. Shouldn't the default markup commands for accidental > symbols have correct size and spacing? That would be easy to fix in the distro, if you wanted to submit a patch… but it would screw up a lot of existing scores. =( Since the macros only have to be defined once — in a file I \include into all my scores by default — I don’t find it that cumbersome or bothersome. Cheers, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his) ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
It bugs me a bit that macros are needed to tweak the spacing of accidental
symbols in markup. Shouldn't the default markup commands for accidental
symbols have correct size and spacing?
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 4:02 PM Kieren MacMillan <
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Hi Saul (et al.),
>
> > I usually just type the accidental signs as Unicode characters. I find
> the sizing and alignment works better than with the Lilypond markup
> commands.
>
> Personally, I find the Unicode symbols unattractive, so I prefer to use
> Lilypond. Sizing and alignment are easily tweaked by predefining macros:
>
> \version "2.19.83"
>
> textFlat = \markup \raise #0.4 \fontsize #-2 { \hspace #0.0875 \flat }
> textNatural = \markup \raise #0.625 \fontsize #-2 { \hspace #0.175
> \natural }
> textSharp = \markup \raise #0.75 \fontsize #-2 { \hspace #0.1 \sharp }
>
> \markup \concat { B \textFlat " is one semitone below " B \textNatural ",
> and two semitones below " B \textSharp }
>
> Hope that helps!
> Kieren.
>
>
> Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
> ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
> ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info
>
>
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
Hi Saul (et al.),
> I usually just type the accidental signs as Unicode characters. I find the
> sizing and alignment works better than with the Lilypond markup commands.
Personally, I find the Unicode symbols unattractive, so I prefer to use
Lilypond. Sizing and alignment are easily tweaked by predefining macros:
\version "2.19.83"
textFlat = \markup \raise #0.4 \fontsize #-2 { \hspace #0.0875 \flat }
textNatural = \markup \raise #0.625 \fontsize #-2 { \hspace #0.175 \natural }
textSharp = \markup \raise #0.75 \fontsize #-2 { \hspace #0.1 \sharp }
\markup \concat { B \textFlat " is one semitone below " B \textNatural ", and
two semitones below " B \textSharp }
Hope that helps!
Kieren.
Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
I usually just type the accidental signs as Unicode characters. I find the sizing and alignment works better than with the Lilypond markup commands. On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 3:32 PM Karsten Reincke wrote: > Dear friends; > > does anyone know how I could insert a (double) flat or a (double) sharp in > a lyric > text (or stanza or anywhe else) to comment a chord representation? > > Many thanks for your help > Karsten > > > -- > Karsten Reincke/\/\ (+49|0) 170 / 927 78 57 > Im Braungeröll 31 >oo< mailto:k.rein...@fodina.de > 60431 Frankfurt a.M. \/http://www.fodina.de/kr/ > > > >
Re: flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 5:33 PM Karsten Reincke wrote: > > Dear friends; > > does anyone know how I could insert a (double) flat or a (double) sharp in a > lyric > text (or stanza or anywhe else) to comment a chord representation? > Sure, see http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/music David
flats and sharps as symbols in a lyric text
Dear friends; does anyone know how I could insert a (double) flat or a (double) sharp in a lyric text (or stanza or anywhe else) to comment a chord representation? Many thanks for your help Karsten -- Karsten Reincke/\/\ (+49|0) 170 / 927 78 57 Im Braungeröll 31 >oo< mailto:k.rein...@fodina.de 60431 Frankfurt a.M. \/http://www.fodina.de/kr/
