RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-08 Thread peter.gentry
Thanks to all for your suggestions. After reinstalling Lilypond and Fresco
for the umpteenth time on the laptop all seems well.

The laptop has decided not to recognize any other machines on my ethernet
but that's another matter (you can ping then all both ways and see the
connections in NETSTAT) but hey ho this is Windows!!!

The Desktop just spontaneously cured itself!! Aren't computers wonderful.

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> 
Sent: 07 March 2018 18:18
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
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Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

<peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk> writes:

> Yes I get that but there were no resulting output files.

We are not talking about output files but about the messages visible in the
console window.

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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread David Kastrup
 writes:

> Yes I get that but there were no resulting output files.

We are not talking about output files but about the messages visible in
the console window.

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread peter.gentry
Yes I get that but there were no resulting output files.

-Original Message-
From: Phil Holmes <m...@philholmes.net> 
Sent: 07 March 2018 14:33
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk; 'David Kastrup' <d...@gnu.org>;
Karlin High <karlinh...@gmail.com>
Cc: Lilypond <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

- Original Message - 
From: "Karlin High" <karlinh...@gmail.com>
To: <peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk>; "'David Kastrup'" <d...@gnu.org>
Cc: "Lilypond" <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines


> On 3/7/2018 8:08 AM, peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk wrote:
>> Faulting application path: c:\Program Files
>> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
>
> Does it make a difference if you use lilypond.exe,
> instead of lilypond-windows.exe?
> -- 
> Karlin High
> Missouri, USA


It should do.

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/command_002dline-usage

"Note to Windows users: By default lilypond.exe outputs all progress 
information to the command window, lilypond-windows.exe does not and returns

a prompt, with no progress information, immediately at the command line. The

'-dgui' option can be used in this case to redirect output to a log file."

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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread Ben

On 3/7/2018 10:49 AM, peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk wrote:

Trial on the laptop from command prompt
Lilypond-windows.exe no response
Lilypond.exe the long winded windows response "Windows has found a problem
etc etc will notify you if a solution is found" ie your on your own chum. No
detailed information

Next will try command prompt with admin priv.



Hi Peter,

Have you tried just running the LilyPond "exe" (not 
Lilypond-windows.exe) from the terminal?
That should work at least, with some sort of response to work 
with...good or bad.


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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread peter.gentry
Trial on the laptop from command prompt
Lilypond-windows.exe no response
Lilypond.exe the long winded windows response "Windows has found a problem
etc etc will notify you if a solution is found" ie your on your own chum. No
detailed information

Next will try command prompt with admin priv.
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Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

> No.  Try running LilyPond in a terminal window (or see whether 
> Frescobaldi offers something like that) in order to see whether there 
> is any output accompanying the abort.

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread peter.gentry
David

If there was any console output - it did work using lilypond.exe rather than
lilypond-windows.exe.

I'm afraid that the various users and folders on the two machines are
verbose and prone to finger trouble. I will pause a while and plan a series
of test rather than groping about in the dark.

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Sent: 07 March 2018 14:28
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Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

<peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk> writes:

> David
>
> I have tried that in order for windows to fined Lily I had to cd to 
> the folder C:/Program Files (x86)/Lilypond/usr/bin
>
> Then run with line below
> Lilypond-windows.exe c:\users\Peter\Desktop\baseline.ly
>
> Response there was none.

That's entirely unlikely.  You probably did not run Linux from a terminal
window or there would have been at least startup messages and similar.

>  Windows Event Log Windows Logs Application Type Administrative
>
> Faulting application name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, 
> time
> stamp: 0x000b
> Faulting module name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, time
stamp:
> 0x000b
> Exception code: 0xc005
> Fault offset: 0x0034cac7
> Faulting process id: 0x16a8
> Faulting application start time: 0x01d3b61adeb085f4 Faulting 
> application path: c:\Program Files 
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
> Faulting module path: c:\Program Files 
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
> Report Id: 2ab00afd-0be4-43c8-a108-7a8994b6f818
> Faulting package full name:

Again: we need the actual terminal/console output connected with that.

> No.  Try running LilyPond in a terminal window (or see whether 
> Frescobaldi offers something like that) in order to see whether there 
> is any output accompanying the abort.

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread peter.gentry
Yes it does that works

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From: Karlin High <karlinh...@gmail.com> 
Sent: 07 March 2018 14:18
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Cc: Lilypond <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

On 3/7/2018 8:08 AM, peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk wrote:
> Faulting application path: c:\Program Files 
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe

Does it make a difference if you use lilypond.exe, instead of 
lilypond-windows.exe?
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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - 
From: "Karlin High" <karlinh...@gmail.com>

To: <peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk>; "'David Kastrup'" <d...@gnu.org>
Cc: "Lilypond" <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines



On 3/7/2018 8:08 AM, peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk wrote:

Faulting application path: c:\Program Files
(x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe


Does it make a difference if you use lilypond.exe,
instead of lilypond-windows.exe?
--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA



It should do.

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/command_002dline-usage

"Note to Windows users: By default lilypond.exe outputs all progress 
information to the command window, lilypond-windows.exe does not and returns 
a prompt, with no progress information, immediately at the command line. The 
'-dgui' option can be used in this case to redirect output to a log file."


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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread David Kastrup
 writes:

> David
>
> I have tried that in order for windows to fined Lily I had to cd to the
> folder 
> C:/Program Files (x86)/Lilypond/usr/bin
>
> Then run with line below
> Lilypond-windows.exe c:\users\Peter\Desktop\baseline.ly
>
> Response there was none.

That's entirely unlikely.  You probably did not run Linux from a
terminal window or there would have been at least startup messages and
similar.

>  Windows Event Log Windows Logs Application Type Administrative
>
> Faulting application name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, time
> stamp: 0x000b
> Faulting module name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, time stamp:
> 0x000b
> Exception code: 0xc005
> Fault offset: 0x0034cac7
> Faulting process id: 0x16a8
> Faulting application start time: 0x01d3b61adeb085f4
> Faulting application path: c:\Program Files
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
> Faulting module path: c:\Program Files
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
> Report Id: 2ab00afd-0be4-43c8-a108-7a8994b6f818
> Faulting package full name:

Again: we need the actual terminal/console output connected with that.

> No.  Try running LilyPond in a terminal window (or see whether Frescobaldi
> offers something like that) in order to see whether there is any output
> accompanying the abort.

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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread Karlin High

On 3/7/2018 8:08 AM, peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk wrote:

Faulting application path: c:\Program Files
(x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe


Does it make a difference if you use lilypond.exe,
instead of lilypond-windows.exe?
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Missouri, USA

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread peter.gentry
David

I have tried that in order for windows to fined Lily I had to cd to the
folder 
C:/Program Files (x86)/Lilypond/usr/bin

Then run with line below
Lilypond-windows.exe c:\users\Peter\Desktop\baseline.ly

Response there was none.
 Windows Event Log Windows Logs Application Type Administrative

Faulting application name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, time
stamp: 0x000b
Faulting module name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, time stamp:
0x000b
Exception code: 0xc005
Fault offset: 0x0034cac7
Faulting process id: 0x16a8
Faulting application start time: 0x01d3b61adeb085f4
Faulting application path: c:\Program Files
(x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
Faulting module path: c:\Program Files
(x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
Report Id: 2ab00afd-0be4-43c8-a108-7a8994b6f818
Faulting package full name:

Hmm

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Sent: 07 March 2018 10:27
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
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Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

<peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk> writes:

> This is an event log from the "STILL" faulting Laptop. Does it mean 
> anything to anyone?
>
> -  xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event;>

No.  Try running LilyPond in a terminal window (or see whether Frescobaldi
offers something like that) in order to see whether there is any output
accompanying the abort.

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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread Urs Liska


Am 7. März 2018 11:27:02 MEZ schrieb David Kastrup :
> writes:
>
>> This is an event log from the "STILL" faulting Laptop. Does it mean
>anything
>> to anyone?
>>
>> - xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event;>
>
>No.  Try running LilyPond in a terminal window (or see whether
>Frescobaldi offers something like that) in order to see whether there
>is
>any output accompanying the abort.

If your terminal doesn't find LilyPond you can look into Frescobaldi's 
Preferences. There a path to the executable must be visible.



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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread David Kastrup
 writes:

> This is an event log from the "STILL" faulting Laptop. Does it mean anything
> to anyone?
>
> - http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event;>

No.  Try running LilyPond in a terminal window (or see whether
Frescobaldi offers something like that) in order to see whether there is
any output accompanying the abort.

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread peter.gentry
This is an event log from the "STILL" faulting Laptop. Does it mean anything
to anyone?

- http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event;>
- 
   
  1000 
  2 
  100 
  0x80 
   
  1238 
  Application 
  PeterLaptop 
   
  
- 
  lilypond-windows.exe 
  2.19.56.1 
  000b 
  lilypond-windows.exe 
  2.19.56.1 
  000b 
  c005 
  0034cac7 
  25d0 
  01d3b5fba96e9e39 
  C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe 
  C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe 
  bdb1dcc3-84ab-401e-b2e4-ccd8034b7424 
   
   
  

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Sent: 06 March 2018 16:11
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines


I suspect this is just because failed assertions now make LilyPond abort
with an error message and you previously ignored them (which was almost a
given since distributed binaries of LilyPond completely omitted them).

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-07 Thread peter.gentry
I don't believe it

First thing this morning I try Fresco again.

1. very strange behavior the Fresco short cut image appeared in the Output
pane somewhat greyed out. Weird

2. I carry on and everything works as it should.

3. I don't like mysteries but as long as its working. 

Something odd in the bowels of windows I guess but what ???

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> 
Sent: 06 March 2018 16:11
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

<peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk> writes:

> I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files 
> I see the following behaviour.
>
>  
>
> The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error 
> -1073741819. This happens on two different Windows 10 machines with 
> different OS versions. It happens when attempting to recompile old .ly
files.
>
>  
>
> Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have 
> uninstalled ad re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
>  
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it 
> may be about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I suspect this is just because failed assertions now make LilyPond abort
with an error message and you previously ignored them (which was almost a
given since distributed binaries of LilyPond completely omitted them).

--
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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-06 Thread peter.gentry
David

The issue has been narrowed down to the output stage.  It's very odd no
errors in the log until output is invoked.  No more time today some quiet
work tomorrow required.

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> 
Sent: 06 March 2018 16:11
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

<peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk> writes:

> I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files 
> I see the following behaviour.
>
>  
>
> The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error 
> -1073741819. This happens on two different Windows 10 machines with 
> different OS versions. It happens when attempting to recompile old .ly
files.
>
>  
>
> Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have 
> uninstalled ad re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
>  
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it 
> may be about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I suspect this is just because failed assertions now make LilyPond abort
with an error message and you previously ignored them (which was almost a
given since distributed binaries of LilyPond completely omitted them).

--
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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-06 Thread peter.gentry
Urs I agree I have tried dragging a "good"  desktop file onto the Lilypond 
short cut and nothing happens. Re-installing Lily has made things worse (the 
latest 2.19.6 version cannot be downloaded but I had a saved file.)

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From: Urs Liska <li...@openlilylib.org> 
Sent: 06 March 2018 14:38
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org; peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk; Lilypond 
<lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines



Am 6. März 2018 15:03:28 MEZ schrieb peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk:
>I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files 
>I see the following behaviour.
>
> 
>
>The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error -1073741819.
>This
>happens on two different Windows 10 machines with different OS 
>versions. It happens when attempting to recompile old .ly files.
>
> 
>
>Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have uninstalled 
>ad re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
> 
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it 
>may be about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I second Andrew's suspicion that it is not related to Frescobaldi at all. If 
Frescobaldi fails you would either get an error pop-up or in severe cases the 
Window might disappear.
If you can read about an error in the log window it's most likely a LilyPond 
error.

Please compile your files directly using LilyPond from the command line, then 
report what is happening.

Best
Urs

>
> 
>
>Thanks for reading this far.


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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-06 Thread peter.gentry
David

Nope I did not ignore any previous error messages. Something about Windows
10 and file permissions may be at the root. I had to run Fresco with
Administrator Privileges in the past. One possibility that may shed some
light is that I have installed Kaspersky Secure connection on both machines
just before disaster struck (just to watch football).

I have since re-installed Lily  from an old 2.19.56 installation package
followed by Fresco again. This time when I run Fresco a new popup appears
"running Lilypond this could take some time - nothing else happens.

I will try running from a command prompt but as it stands "Lilypond does not
exist" is the response.

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> 
Sent: 06 March 2018 16:11
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

<peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk> writes:

> I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files 
> I see the following behaviour.
>
>  
>
> The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error 
> -1073741819. This happens on two different Windows 10 machines with 
> different OS versions. It happens when attempting to recompile old .ly
files.
>
>  
>
> Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have 
> uninstalled ad re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
>  
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it 
> may be about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I suspect this is just because failed assertions now make LilyPond abort
with an error message and you previously ignored them (which was almost a
given since distributed binaries of LilyPond completely omitted them).

--
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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-06 Thread David Kastrup
 writes:

> I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files I see
> the following behaviour.
>
>  
>
> The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error -1073741819. This
> happens on two different Windows 10 machines with different OS versions. It
> happens when attempting to recompile old .ly files.
>
>  
>
> Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have uninstalled ad
> re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
>  
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it may be
> about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I suspect this is just because failed assertions now make LilyPond abort
with an error message and you previously ignored them (which was almost
a given since distributed binaries of LilyPond completely omitted them).

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-06 Thread Urs Liska


Am 6. März 2018 15:03:28 MEZ schrieb peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk:
>I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files
>I see
>the following behaviour.
>
> 
>
>The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error -1073741819.
>This
>happens on two different Windows 10 machines with different OS
>versions. It
>happens when attempting to recompile old .ly files.
>
> 
>
>Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have uninstalled
>ad
>re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
> 
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it
>may be
>about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I second Andrew's suspicion that it is not related to Frescobaldi at all. If 
Frescobaldi fails you would either get an error pop-up or in severe cases the 
Window might disappear.
If you can read about an error in the log window it's most likely a LilyPond 
error.

Please compile your files directly using LilyPond from the command line, then 
report what is happening.

Best
Urs

>
> 
>
>Thanks for reading this far.

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Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

2018-03-06 Thread N. Andrew Walsh
Hi Peter,

I'm not at all an expert on any of this (or even really competent) but some
quick googling returns this thread:
http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Strange-return-code-and-compilation-fail-td145362.html

where they say that error is an access violation from within Lilypond (ie,
it's not Frescobaldi).

If it's happening on old .ly files, have you tried running convert-ly on
them? Have you tried creating a MWE just to make sure your Lily is working
at all?

HTH,

A

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 3:03 PM,  wrote:

> I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files I
> see the following behaviour.
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>
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> The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error -1073741819.
> This happens on two different Windows 10 machines with different OS
> versions. It happens when attempting to recompile old .ly files.
>
>
>
> Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have uninstalled ad
> re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
>
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> Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it may
> be about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.
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> Thanks for reading this far.
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