Re: Missing messages [was: Stem forced to be at the right (or left) of the notehead]

2018-03-03 Thread Paolo Prete 
I registered for lilypond-user@gnu.org. As said before, this is not the first 
time I have this issue with mailing lists: some of them even refuse 
subscriptions from yahoo mail addresses. 

Il Sabato 3 Marzo 2018 1:06, Karlin High  ha scritto:
 

 Paolo Prete: Did you register for the lilypond-user mailing list? Or just for
the Nabble site?



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Re: Missing messages [was: Stem forced to be at the right (or left) of the notehead]

2018-03-02 Thread Brian Barker 

At 22:46 02/03/2018 +0100, Thomas Morley wrote:
Though, in the past, mails from Yahoo, distributed by the 
mailing-list, were put into my spam-folder by gmail. Obviously this 
changed 2 or 3 days ago. Now I receive nothing...


You are lucky: my mail provider has been rigorously following the 
"reject" instruction for ages. And others have, too: many choir 
members did not see circulars from the chairman when he wrote via the 
choir list also run my Mailman from his AOL address.


Brian Barker  



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Re: Missing messages [was: Stem forced to be at the right (or left) of the notehead]

2018-03-02 Thread Karlin High 
Paolo Prete: Did you register for the lilypond-user mailing list? Or just for
the Nabble site?



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Re: Missing messages [was: Stem forced to be at the right (or left) of the notehead]

2018-03-02 Thread Paolo Prete 
Hello.Thanks for reporting this issue.I had the same problem with other mailing 
lists.I don't see any other solution than changing the e-mail address, then... 

Il Venerdì 2 Marzo 2018 22:47, Thomas Morley  ha 
scritto:
 

 2018-03-02 22:26 GMT+01:00 Brian Barker :
> At 13:25 02/03/2018 -0700, Thomas Morley wrote:
>>
>> Paolo Prete wrote
>>>
>>> ...
>>
>>
>> For unknown reasons I don't see your posts on the mailing-list, ...
>
>
> Neither do I. But I can help there: it's all down to Domain-based Message
> Authentication, Reporting and Conformance (DMARC). This is a comparatively
> new system whereby mail domains can publish information to confirm or
> otherwise that messages are genuinely sent from a mail server maintained by
> that domain. Paolo Prete's mail domain appears to be yahoo.it, and Yahoo is
> one of the sending domains that uses this system. If he sent to you
> directly, everything would work OK and Gmail would accept the message.
>
> The problem arises with mailing lists. The server forwarding the message -
> in this case Lilypond's - is not a proper source for @yahoo.it messages, of
> course, so Gmail quite properly rejects list messages claiming to be from
> Yahoo addresses as spoofed. (As it happens, so does my mail provider.) If it
> is configured properly, mailing list software can arrange headers so that
> the receiving system - Gmail's in your case - sees his Yahoo server as the
> originator instead of the mailing list's. The problem is that most list
> software available when this protection was introduced was incapable of
> being properly configured. To avoid this effect, Lilypond may need to update
> the list software (apparently Mailman 2.1.21) or maybe just configure it
> differently.
>
> See
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC - which includes "In April 2014, Yahoo
> changed its DMARC policy to p=reject, thereby causing misbehavior in several
> mailing lists."
> and
> https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC for details of Mailman's behaviour.
>
> Brian Barker

Hi Brian,

thanks for the info.

Though, in the past, mails from Yahoo, distributed by the
mailing-list, were put into my spam-folder by gmail.
Obviously this changed 2 or 3 days ago. Now I receive nothing...

Reading the first link you provided, the workarounds are not without problems.

Thanks,
  Harm

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Re: Missing messages [was: Stem forced to be at the right (or left) of the notehead]

2018-03-02 Thread Thomas Morley 
2018-03-02 22:26 GMT+01:00 Brian Barker :
> At 13:25 02/03/2018 -0700, Thomas Morley wrote:
>>
>> Paolo Prete wrote
>>>
>>> ...
>>
>>
>> For unknown reasons I don't see your posts on the mailing-list, ...
>
>
> Neither do I. But I can help there: it's all down to Domain-based Message
> Authentication, Reporting and Conformance (DMARC). This is a comparatively
> new system whereby mail domains can publish information to confirm or
> otherwise that messages are genuinely sent from a mail server maintained by
> that domain. Paolo Prete's mail domain appears to be yahoo.it, and Yahoo is
> one of the sending domains that uses this system. If he sent to you
> directly, everything would work OK and Gmail would accept the message.
>
> The problem arises with mailing lists. The server forwarding the message -
> in this case Lilypond's - is not a proper source for @yahoo.it messages, of
> course, so Gmail quite properly rejects list messages claiming to be from
> Yahoo addresses as spoofed. (As it happens, so does my mail provider.) If it
> is configured properly, mailing list software can arrange headers so that
> the receiving system - Gmail's in your case - sees his Yahoo server as the
> originator instead of the mailing list's. The problem is that most list
> software available when this protection was introduced was incapable of
> being properly configured. To avoid this effect, Lilypond may need to update
> the list software (apparently Mailman 2.1.21) or maybe just configure it
> differently.
>
> See
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC - which includes "In April 2014, Yahoo
> changed its DMARC policy to p=reject, thereby causing misbehavior in several
> mailing lists."
> and
> https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC for details of Mailman's behaviour.
>
> Brian Barker

Hi Brian,

thanks for the info.

Though, in the past, mails from Yahoo, distributed by the
mailing-list, were put into my spam-folder by gmail.
Obviously this changed 2 or 3 days ago. Now I receive nothing...

Reading the first link you provided, the workarounds are not without problems.

Thanks,
  Harm

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Re: Missing messages [was: Stem forced to be at the right (or left) of the notehead]

2018-03-02 Thread Brian Barker 

At 13:25 02/03/2018 -0700, Thomas Morley wrote:

Paolo Prete wrote

...


For unknown reasons I don't see your posts on the mailing-list, ...


Neither do I. But I can help there: it's all down to Domain-based 
Message Authentication, Reporting and Conformance (DMARC). This is a 
comparatively new system whereby mail domains can publish information 
to confirm or otherwise that messages are genuinely sent from a mail 
server maintained by that domain. Paolo Prete's mail domain appears 
to be yahoo.it, and Yahoo is one of the sending domains that uses 
this system. If he sent to you directly, everything would work OK and 
Gmail would accept the message.


The problem arises with mailing lists. The server forwarding the 
message - in this case Lilypond's - is not a proper source for 
@yahoo.it messages, of course, so Gmail quite properly rejects list 
messages claiming to be from Yahoo addresses as spoofed. (As it 
happens, so does my mail provider.) If it is configured properly, 
mailing list software can arrange headers so that the receiving 
system - Gmail's in your case - sees his Yahoo server as the 
originator instead of the mailing list's. The problem is that most 
list software available when this protection was introduced was 
incapable of being properly configured. To avoid this effect, 
Lilypond may need to update the list software (apparently Mailman 
2.1.21) or maybe just configure it differently.


See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC - which includes "In April 2014, 
Yahoo changed its DMARC policy to p=reject, thereby causing 
misbehavior in several mailing lists."

and
https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC for details of Mailman's behaviour.

Brian Barker  



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