Re: Time signature cancellation
The criterion for a word to be included in the Oxford English Dictionary is three proven printed examples. :-) Andrew On 5/06/2023 2:25 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote Understood. However, we *need* good real-world examples that are not bound to certain notation programs so that we have a chance to find a generic implementation.
Re: Time signature cancellation
> It's not unusual, just not Common Era period which lilypond > principally focuses on. Understood. However, we *need* good real-world examples that are not bound to certain notation programs so that we have a chance to find a generic implementation. > One example has been given. Do you need more? A quorum? :-) > > Here's Wikipedia: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_time_%28music%29 Excellent, thanks. It already helps to have the right musical term. Werner
Re: Time signature cancellation
Re that merge request, I think it's important to frame it as an open meter sign, not as a cancellation. As somebody pointed out, it can start a piece and so it is not cancelling anything previous. Andrew
Re: Time signature cancellation
Hello All, It's not unusual, just not Common Era period which lilypond principally focuses on. It is not a _cancellation_ or a crossing out. It's as designator of open meter. Dorico enables it because people use it and request it, not because the Dorico team read it in Gould. Dorico targets a broader spectrum than CE period, in particular film scoring and so on. One example has been given. Do you need more? A quorum? :-) Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_time_%28music%29 Adding this open meter indication to lilypond would do no harm, surely? As with Dorico, don't make it mandatory for open meter, just available if required. Andrew On 4/06/2023 11:50 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Thanks, but ideally we would like to see a real-world example that predates recent notation programs – they probably all try to implement the stuff from Gould's book...
Re: Time signature cancellation
> > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Mark Knoop > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 16:33:41 +0100 > Subject: Re: Time signature cancellation > > At 14:59 on 04 Jun 2023, Damian leGassick wrote: > > you just want a recent real-world example? Birtwistle: Harrison’s > > Clocks. > > See bar 1 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDaECmsXNw > > Being the first bar of a piece, this is not an example of a cancellation signature, as there is no prior signature to cancel. In terms of the feature, I agree that adding it probably does little harm. The biggest issue would likely be that, because it is supported, someone will decide to use it, assuming that musicians would know what it means. Elaine Alt 415 . 341 .4954 "*Confusion is highly underrated*" ela...@flaminghakama.com Producer ~ Composer ~ Instrumentalist ~ Educator -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: Time signature cancellation
> you just want a recent real-world example? Birtwistle: Harrison’s > Clocks. Thanks! Werner
Re: Time signature cancellation
At 14:59 on 04 Jun 2023, Damian leGassick wrote: > you just want a recent real-world example? Birtwistle: Harrison’s > Clocks. See bar 1 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDaECmsXNw I see this usage occasionally, but not sure that I'd quite call it a standard. It is however fairly clear, and so long as any LilyPond implementation is able to be overridden (by the usual methods) I see no harm in adding it. >> On 4 Jun 2023, at 14:51, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Has anyone here ever used or seen the X-shaped time-signature cancellation sign pictured at [1], or anything similar? >>> >>> It's one standard for open meter. >>> >>> Here's the Dorico manual info: [...] >> >> Thanks, but ideally we would like to see a real-world example that >> predates recent notation programs – they probably all try to implement >> the stuff from Gould's book... >> >> >>Werner -- Mark Knoop
Re: Time signature cancellation
you just want a recent real-world example? Birtwistle: Harrison’s Clocks. D > On 4 Jun 2023, at 14:51, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > >> >>> Has anyone here ever used or seen the X-shaped time-signature >>> cancellation sign pictured at [1], or anything similar? >> >> It's one standard for open meter. >> >> Here's the Dorico manual info: [...] > > Thanks, but ideally we would like to see a real-world example that > predates recent notation programs – they probably all try to implement > the stuff from Gould's book... > > >Werner
Re: Time signature cancellation
>> Has anyone here ever used or seen the X-shaped time-signature >> cancellation sign pictured at [1], or anything similar? > > It's one standard for open meter. > > Here's the Dorico manual info: [...] Thanks, but ideally we would like to see a real-world example that predates recent notation programs – they probably all try to implement the stuff from Gould's book... Werner
Re: Time signature cancellation
It's one standard for open meter. Here's the Dorico manual info: Andrew On 4/06/2023 10:49 pm, Dan Eble wrote: Has anyone here ever used or seen the X-shaped time-signature cancellation sign pictured at [1], or anything similar? Thanks, -- Dan [1]https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/2029
