RE: [Haifux] BSOD T-shirts

2002-11-26 Thread Tzahi Fadida
Hi adir,
I think you need to climb down from the tree you got yourself onto. its not the first
time people
post pictures of t-shirts on the list, and mind you i don't remember them
cross-posting either.
In any case, i remember that many list members even voiced there voice favourably
back then.
So, my point is, that you definetly crossed the line of good taste since if you gave
a little thought
about the picture you would have noticed its:
1) not appropriate on a public list that have no age ratings at all.
2) demeaning to women and stereotiping. even to say its a classical demeaning of a
women,
by shooting without showing her face and don't u say u didn't notice what the camera
men was
focussing on.
3) have no relevance to this list members and contrary to previous poststings
envolving linux-kernel
designs and even peaces of perl codes.

obviously, you have made a mistake, so appologize or shut up, your choice.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Haifux - Haifa Linux Club
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adir Abraham
 Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:57 AM
 To: Orna Agmon
 Cc: Haifa linux club
 Subject: Re: [Haifux] BSOD T-shirts


 Well, then I guess that your definition of porn and my definition of porn
 are a bit different, if to say the least (sorry, but I don't see a girl
 wearing some T-shirt and underpants or a swimming suit as porn), and I
 am sure that it wouldn't renew anything to your sister either. Watch her
 not getting into real porn sites (even by mistake, by missing a letter or
 two) - that is more important. If you bothered to take a look at the site
 - it's a site that *sells* that T-shirt, both for men or for women

 Whatsoever, it has nothing to do (at least in my case) to this mailing
 list being mostly controled by men, and this was not an issue I considered
 in advance when sending it. I considered sending the link for the male
 version of it, but the picture there looked quite lame. There are no ego
 feelings here

 I guess that the linux chicks made less noise (=there was no noise) for a
 reason (I guess that tux does look better)

 And once again, I am sorry in advance, if I heart anybody's feeling
 showing a woman with a BSOD T-shirt (and underpants, ok)

 On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Orna Agmon wrote:

 
  Adir, I want my 13 year old sister to subscribe to this mailing list
   And I certainly do not want porn (no, not even light porn) to arrive to her
  mail-box because of that
 
  Point for you to think about it: would you have considered posting this
  link had Haifux been consisted mostly of females?
 
  On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Adir Abraham wrote:
 
   Now for sale, in http://www.errorwear.com/picmonth-february.html
   Enjoy :-)
  
  
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Re: [Haifux] BSOD T-shirts

2002-11-26 Thread Eli Billauer
Hello all.

After making a small investigation of my own, I found out that the 
picture can indeed be classified as porn, for the simple reason that the 
link that is given on it goes to a porn site.

I can understand that Orna didn't like it, but less her fear that her 
13-year old sister would see it. Israeli's television, not to talk about 
MTV, is getting far worse, if you consider that bad.

What should worry Orna more, IMHO, is the bad example that we show 
regarding the way we treat each other. For example,

obviously, you have made a mistake, so appologize or shut up, your choice.
 

doesn't look to me as something I would like someone to learn from.

   Eli



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RE: [Haifux] BSOD T-shirts

2002-11-26 Thread Adir Abraham
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote:

 Hi adir,
 I think you need to climb down from the tree you got yourself onto. its not the first
 time people
 post pictures of t-shirts on the list, and mind you i don't remember them
 cross-posting either.

I don't remember myself needing to climb to a tree. Did you?

 1) not appropriate on a public list that have no age ratings at all.

As I said - we had similar cases to these kind of pictures, so I'm not
renewing anything. Without any connection, I saw that link from another
linux mailing list, which means that you or anybody else could get it as
well.

 2) demeaning to women and stereotiping. even to say its a classical demeaning of a
 women,
 by shooting without showing her face and don't u say u didn't notice what the camera
 men was
 focussing on.

So now you pretend that you protect women? What has that got to do with
stereotyping that you are trying to say? All I published was a link, with
no special meanings. I am glad that you have such a creative mind, but I
seriously didn't mean anything but showing that link. Not more, not less.

 3) have no relevance to this list members and contrary to previous poststings
 envolving linux-kernel
 designs and even peaces of perl codes.

It looks to you that also peaces of perl code might not be relevant to
you as a Linux mailing list, so you just admit that it's quite a matter
of subjectivity (yes, sometimes we laugh at Windows, sometimes we do it
in this mailing list, and sometimes we do it in different ways).


 obviously, you have made a mistake, so appologize or shut up, your choice.

I believe that I said that I am sorry if I heart anyone, even though I
don't think that it is that bad, as much as you might think that it is
bad, but I understood the problem and said that I am sorry. If you didn't
get it, that was my apology.

As for you - it's not the first time you try to provocate subjects which
we may argue about, and obviously you can't without involving your temper.

Obviously, human relationships speaking - you've got much more to learn.

Now - practice your own last sentence.


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  -Original Message-
  From: Haifux - Haifa Linux Club
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adir Abraham
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:57 AM
  To: Orna Agmon
  Cc: Haifa linux club
  Subject: Re: [Haifux] BSOD T-shirts
 
 
  Well, then I guess that your definition of porn and my definition of porn
  are a bit different, if to say the least (sorry, but I don't see a girl
  wearing some T-shirt and underpants or a swimming suit as porn), and I
  am sure that it wouldn't renew anything to your sister either. Watch her
  not getting into real porn sites (even by mistake, by missing a letter or
  two) - that is more important. If you bothered to take a look at the site
  - it's a site that *sells* that T-shirt, both for men or for women
 
  Whatsoever, it has nothing to do (at least in my case) to this mailing
  list being mostly controled by men, and this was not an issue I considered
  in advance when sending it. I considered sending the link for the male
  version of it, but the picture there looked quite lame. There are no ego
  feelings here
 
  I guess that the linux chicks made less noise (=there was no noise) for a
  reason (I guess that tux does look better)
 
  And once again, I am sorry in advance, if I heart anybody's feeling
  showing a woman with a BSOD T-shirt (and underpants, ok)
 
  On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Orna Agmon wrote:
 
  
   Adir, I want my 13 year old sister to subscribe to this mailing list
And I certainly do not want porn (no, not even light porn) to arrive to her
   mail-box because of that
  
   Point for you to think about it: would you have considered posting this
   link had Haifux been consisted mostly of females?
  
   On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Adir Abraham wrote:
  
Now for sale, in http://www.errorwear.com/picmonth-february.html
Enjoy :-)
   
   
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[Haifux] BSOD T-shirts

2002-11-25 Thread Adir Abraham
Now for sale, in http://www.errorwear.com/picmonth-february.html
Enjoy :-)


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Re: [Haifux] BSOD T-shirts

2002-11-25 Thread Orna Agmon

Adir, I want my 13 year old sister to subscribe to this mailing list.
 And I certainly do not want porn (no, not even light porn) to arrive to her 
mail-box because of that.

Point for you to think about it: would you have considered posting this 
link had Haifux been consisted mostly of females?

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Adir Abraham wrote:

 Now for sale, in http://www.errorwear.com/picmonth-february.html
 Enjoy :-)
 
 
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Re: [Haifux] BSOD T-shirts

2002-11-25 Thread Adir Abraham
Well, then I guess that your definition of porn and my definition of porn
are a bit different, if to say the least (sorry, but I don't see a girl
wearing some T-shirt and underpants or a swimming suit as porn), and I
am sure that it wouldn't renew anything to your sister either. Watch her
not getting into real porn sites (even by mistake, by missing a letter or
two) - that is more important. If you bothered to take a look at the site
- it's a site that *sells* that T-shirt, both for men or for women.

Whatsoever, it has nothing to do (at least in my case) to this mailing
list being mostly controled by men, and this was not an issue I considered
in advance when sending it. I considered sending the link for the male
version of it, but the picture there looked quite lame. There are no ego
feelings here.

I guess that the linux chicks made less noise (=there was no noise) for a
reason (I guess that tux does look better).

And once again, I am sorry in advance, if I heart anybody's feeling
showing a woman with a BSOD T-shirt (and underpants, ok).

On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Orna Agmon wrote:


 Adir, I want my 13 year old sister to subscribe to this mailing list.
  And I certainly do not want porn (no, not even light porn) to arrive to her
 mail-box because of that.

 Point for you to think about it: would you have considered posting this
 link had Haifux been consisted mostly of females?

 On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Adir Abraham wrote:

  Now for sale, in http://www.errorwear.com/picmonth-february.html
  Enjoy :-)
 
 
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