Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Friday 21 January 2011 20:02:47 Grant Likely wrote: > > Right, current thoughts after some IRC discussion are: > > > > * busybox > > * no package manager > > * max size of 30mb (without kernel) > > * some further removal of packages > > > > I think with this in place you will get a ~30mb com

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread John Rigby
U-Boot got faster in the last cycle (v2010.12). Cache is now enabled on arm and multiblock reads were added to the mmc driver. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Friday 21 January 2011 18:42:55 David Rusling wrote: >> Yes, but isn't initrd slow to copy from the boot medi

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Friday 21 January 2011 18:42:55 David Rusling wrote: > Yes, but isn't initrd slow to copy from the boot media > (caches off, simple byte by byte copy)? I hadn't considered this, but I guess this also depends a lot on the boot loader that is being used. Does uboot always run with caches disabled

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Grant Likely
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Jamie Bennett wrote: > On 21 Jan 2011, at 15:42, Loïc Minier wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011, Jamie Bennett wrote: >>> Currently we are reassessing whether or not the Headless image meets >>> the requirements for a small, fast, useable image for board >>> verifica

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread David Rusling
Yes, but isn't initrd slow to copy from the boot media (caches off, simple byte by byte copy)? Dave On 21 Jan 2011, at 16:27, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Friday 21 January 2011 16:50:37 Jamie Bennett wrote: >>> Could we do with an initrd instead of an image? I mean, busybox + >>> small set of t

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Friday 21 January 2011 16:50:37 Jamie Bennett wrote: > > Could we do with an initrd instead of an image? I mean, busybox + > > small set of tools is probably enough for validation, and will be quite > > small. > > > > There is inherent bloat as soon as we add a package manager in the mix > >

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Dave Martin
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011, Jamie Bennett wrote: >> Currently we are reassessing whether or not the Headless image meets >> the requirements for a small, fast, useable image for board >> verification. Just for information the current stats as of 2011

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Jamie Bennett
On 21 Jan 2011, at 15:42, Loïc Minier wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011, Jamie Bennett wrote: >> Currently we are reassessing whether or not the Headless image meets >> the requirements for a small, fast, useable image for board >> verification. Just for information the current stats as of 2011-01-21

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Loïc Minier
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011, Jamie Bennett wrote: > Currently we are reassessing whether or not the Headless image meets > the requirements for a small, fast, useable image for board > verification. Just for information the current stats as of 2011-01-21 > are: > > * Download Size: 64M > * Download siz

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Pawel Moll
the above sizes are with or without kernel? Without. Anyone knows how compression of cramfs compares to tar.gz? e.g. can we compare those sizes directly to our gzipped tarballs? I did a quick exercise of uncramfs-ing and tar-gz-ipping the v7 versions back. Results: 49164288 filesystem_bin

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Alexander Sack
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Pawel Moll wrote: >>  * Download Size: 64M >>  * Download size with OMAP3 hwpack: 100M >> The current thoughts are to cut this image down as much as possible >> whilst still retaining the ability to boot to a command prompt. The >> new image would be a 'nano' image

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Pawel Moll
* Download Size: 64M * Download size with OMAP3 hwpack: 100M The current thoughts are to cut this image down as much as possible whilst still retaining the ability to boot to a command prompt. The new image would be a 'nano' image and would be useful for verifying that the hardware boots. Yes,

Re: Call for opinion: Linaro 'Nano' Image

2011-01-21 Thread Tom Gall
Back in November I had prototyped something like this and even called it nano. Here's the post I made to the list about it and using then current hwpack + then current headless how I was able to chop things down considerably. http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-dev/2010-November/001439.html