Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-26 Thread Stephen Loosley
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 David writes To pretend that anything is proven to be impossible shows ignorance and arrogance (or perhaps a vested interest) .. I reckon much of the solution lies in demand management, smart grids and other efficiencies. .. David Boxall | When a

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-26 Thread Karl Auer
On Thu, 2014-11-27 at 09:13 +1100, Tom Worthington wrote: One energy storage method you did not mention is compressed air: http://blog.tomw.net.au/2013/12/bulk-energy-storage-for-renewable-energy.html It wasn't supposed to be an exhaustive list :-) In general, moving liquids or compressing

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-25 Thread Stephen Loosley
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 Michael writes There's no reason we can't maintain a steady or shrinking environmental footprint, while still having improving efficiencies - if we prioritise. These articles stating renewables can't cope with infinite growth are garbage. The only possible

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-25 Thread Tom Worthington
On 24/11/14 08:17, Andy Farkas wrote: Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK': Top Google engineers Windmills, solar, tidal - all a 'false hope', say Stanford PhDs http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/ ... renewables will never

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-25 Thread Karl Auer
On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 08:49 +1100, Tom Worthington wrote: says, it is difficult to use solar or wind power for on-demand power as the sun does not shine, and the wind does not blow, on demand I'd like to see more study of small and large scale energy *storage*, since the obvious way to smooth

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-25 Thread Michael
On 26 November 2014 at 09:14, Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 08:49 +1100, Tom Worthington wrote: says, it is difficult to use solar or wind power for on-demand power as the sun does not shine, and the wind does not blow, on demand I'd like to see more study of

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-25 Thread David Boxall
On 26/11/2014 9:14 AM, Karl Auer wrote: On Wed, 2014-11-26 at 08:49 +1100, Tom Worthington wrote: says, it is difficult to use solar or wind power for on-demand power as the sun does not shine, and the wind does not blow, on demand I'd like to see more study of small and large scale energy

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-25 Thread JanW
At 11:11 AM 26/11/2014, David Boxall wrote: To get this a bit more on topic for Link, I reckon much of the solution lies in demand management, smart grids and other efficiencies. That helps a lot. Do you guys remember the oil shock and the reduction in flights? Companies pulled way back and

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK' (Andy Farkas)

2014-11-24 Thread Antony Broughton Barry
On 24 Nov 2014, at 12:01 pm, link-requ...@mailman.anu.edu.au wrote: Comment Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that renewables will never permit the human race to cut CO2

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Janet Hawtin
imagine if we were spending the money that asio nsa etc use watching people all the money killing people instead to collect and connect people doing interesting things with technologies, ecologies, soil preservation, water remediation connecting communities with sun or wind or distance or desert

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Andy Farkas
On 24/11/14 19:41, Janet Hawtin wrote: imagine if we were spending the money that asio nsa etc use watching people all the money killing people instead to collect and connect people doing interesting things with technologies, ecologies, soil preservation, water remediation connecting

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Jim Birch
On 24 November 2014 at 21:07, Michael wrote: To respond to jore and common sense, of course growth is finite, but remember that in addition to growth through expansion, there is growth through efficiencies (productivity). It's not even obvious that that growth is finite. Economic growth is

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread Janet Hawtin
The extreme version of this idea, that the modern industrial world has to stop and we need to revert to some imaginary preindustrial pastoral existence is even more whacky. If you really wanted to trash the planet, kill a lot of people and upset everyone else that would be a good way to do

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-24 Thread JanW
At 09:06 AM 25/11/2014, Jim Birch you wrote: It's not even obvious that that growth is finite We're back to definitions: growth of what and how and over what time period? Economic growth through cuts (higher ratio of returns by reducing the investment) can be destructive in the long term,

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-23 Thread jore
On 24/11/2014 8:17 AM, Andy Farkas wrote: Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK': Top Google engineers Windmills, solar, tidal - all a 'false hope', say Stanford PhDs http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/ Comment Two highly

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-23 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 24-Nov-14 8:17 AM, Andy Farkas wrote: Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK': Top Google engineers Windmills, solar, tidal - all a 'false hope', say Stanford PhDs Looks like nuclear is the only realistic option. Fission then fusion, maybe. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-23 Thread jore
On 24/11/2014 9:09 AM, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: On 24-Nov-14 8:17 AM, Andy Farkas wrote: Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK': Top Google engineers Windmills, solar, tidal - all a 'false hope', say Stanford PhDs Looks like nuclear is the only realistic option. Fission then fusion,

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-23 Thread Nicholas English
Ouch! (But how authoritative is Mr Swift? Had he no interests in peat?! Nicholas Sent from A phone 7-) On 24/11/2014, at 12:54 PM, Craig Sanders c...@taz.net.au wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 09:09:04AM +1100, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: On 24-Nov-14 8:17 AM, Andy Farkas wrote: Renewable

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-23 Thread David Boxall
On 24/11/2014 8:09 AM, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: On 24-Nov-14 8:17 AM, Andy Farkas wrote: Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK': Top Google engineers Windmills, solar, tidal - all a 'false hope', say Stanford PhDs Looks like nuclear is the only realistic option. Fission then fusion,

Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

2014-11-23 Thread JanW
At 02:53 PM 24/11/2014, David Boxall wrote: In global warming, the nuclear power industry sees hopes of reviving their moribund technologies. Reality keeps raining on their parade. My reaction (without reading the article, I admit, because there is usually an agenda running behind these sorts